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I mean of all the little TFA mystery things. One more. That I can remember. Not going to lie I can’t remember things that well. But in terms of Kylo stuff and his choice to do evil I thought it seemed like it would be a thing.
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I got the impression in TFA that Leia had been shut out of the political process somewhere in those three decades. (I think someone said the novelization suggested the information about her true father was used against her?) Would that also cause the New Republic leadership to distance itself from Luke and the attempt to bring back the Jedi?
That could also factor in Luke’s decisions.In Bloodline, a recording Bail made to explain Leia’s parentage to her in case of his death is found, and one of her political opponents plays it for the entire Senate, destroying her political career.
This is also how Ben learns about his grandfather, as Leia and Han hadn’t told him yet. (He’s off training with Luke in the book, so we don’t see his reaction to the news.)
Slight correction, that’s how Leia thinks (and we presume) Ben learns the truth. We don’t have any reason to think otherwise but there’s no confirmation for sure yet that that’s how Ben learned, as we don’t get his perspective at all in the book.
Right, good point.
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I got the impression in TFA that Leia had been shut out of the political process somewhere in those three decades. (I think someone said the novelization suggested the information about her true father was used against her?) Would that also cause the New Republic leadership to distance itself from Luke and the attempt to bring back the Jedi?
That could also factor in Luke’s decisions.Bloodline is that story.
Also, sorry guys, RLM sucks.
RLM is amazing. Hands down my favorite youtube channel and I ain’t being sarcastic. They also have great analysis. There are some wonderful half in the bag episodes of breaking down movies.
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https://medium.com/@hitRECordJoe/a-new-old-skywalker-253efda3809c
An essay written by JGL on Luke Skywalker - worth reading. Even though we ultimately disagree, he clarifies some great points already presented in this thread several times, and he does acknowledge that those who didn’t like the movie aren’t entirely wrong on Luke’s characterization or the movie itself.
If already posted, forgive me.
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https://medium.com/@hitRECordJoe/a-new-old-skywalker-253efda3809c
An essay written by JGL on Luke Skywalker - worth reading. Even though we ultimately disagree, he clarifies some great points already presented in this thread several times, and he does acknowledge that those who didn’t like the movie aren’t entirely wrong on Luke’s characterization or the movie itself.
If already posted, forgive me.
Thanks for the share, just started reading it, and i can tell its a good article.
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https://medium.com/@hitRECordJoe/a-new-old-skywalker-253efda3809c
An essay written by JGL on Luke Skywalker - worth reading. Even though we ultimately disagree, he clarifies some great points already presented in this thread several times, and he does acknowledge that those who didn’t like the movie aren’t entirely wrong on Luke’s characterization or the movie itself.
If already posted, forgive me.
Thanks for the share, just started reading it, and i can tell its a good article.
Yep, I really enjoyed reading it. Such a positive article. I’m definitely warming up to the movie. I believe it will get better with more viewings.
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https://medium.com/@hitRECordJoe/a-new-old-skywalker-253efda3809c
An essay written by JGL on Luke Skywalker - worth reading. Even though we ultimately disagree, he clarifies some great points already presented in this thread several times, and he does acknowledge that those who didn’t like the movie aren’t entirely wrong on Luke’s characterization or the movie itself.
If already posted, forgive me.
Another way to take this is that Luke is no longer our main character. In a movie, audience avatars such as Luke or Neo or Ethan Hunt cannot abandon their missions, cannot have self doubt so severe that they give up on the story, since that sends the clear message that the audience should give up on the story. I think this is where many fans are stuck right now. They still see Luke as the main character, someone who needs to have faith in this story. But the main character is Rey, and it is through her eyes that we are seeing this version of Luke. She is disappointed with this guy, the legend who was supposed to show Rey her place in all this. And that’s exactly why Luke cannot be the legend anymore. He must be a disappointment because otherwise people would continue to see him as the main character, and Rey would never even have the opportunity to carry the weight of the story on her shoulders.
People forget also that this is a mythological convention as old as the hills, and even Star Wars has used it in the past. The father figure becomes the ogre that our hero must slay, for the good of the people. Their time has passed, their rule is corrupted, the young blood must overthrow them. The Last Jedi accomplishes this in spades.
You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)
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https://medium.com/@hitRECordJoe/a-new-old-skywalker-253efda3809c
An essay written by JGL on Luke Skywalker - worth reading. Even though we ultimately disagree, he clarifies some great points already presented in this thread several times, and he does acknowledge that those who didn’t like the movie aren’t entirely wrong on Luke’s characterization or the movie itself.
If already posted, forgive me.
Another way to take this is that Luke is no longer our main character. In a movie, audience avatars such as Luke or Neo or Ethan Hunt cannot abandon their missions, cannot have self doubt so severe that they give up on the story, since that sends the clear message that the audience should give up on the story. I think this is where many fans are stuck right now. They still see Luke as the main character, someone who needs to have faith in this story. But the main character is Rey, and it is through her eyes that we are seeing this version of Luke. She is disappointed with this guy, the legend who was supposed to show Rey her place in all this. And that’s exactly why Luke cannot be the legend anymore. He must be a disappointment because otherwise people would continue to see him as the main character, and Rey would never even have the opportunity to carry the weight of the story on her shoulders.
People forget also that this is a mythological convention as old as the hills, and even Star Wars has used it in the past. The father figure becomes the ogre that our hero must slay, for the good of the people. Their time has passed, their rule is corrupted, the young blood must overthrow them. The Last Jedi accomplishes this in spades.
My problem with that is that I didn’t connect with Rey in TFA, which leads me to believe that most, if not all of my problems with TLJ, are TFA’s fault.
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https://medium.com/@hitRECordJoe/a-new-old-skywalker-253efda3809c
An essay written by JGL on Luke Skywalker - worth reading. Even though we ultimately disagree, he clarifies some great points already presented in this thread several times, and he does acknowledge that those who didn’t like the movie aren’t entirely wrong on Luke’s characterization or the movie itself.
If already posted, forgive me.
Thanks for the share, just started reading it, and i can tell its a good article.
Yep, I really enjoyed reading it. Such a positive article. I’m definitely warming up to the movie. I believe it will get better with more viewings.
This was my experience with Rogue One.
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Also, sorry guys, RLM sucks.
Not that I disagree, but why to you think that?
Nothing I’ve seen from them tells me they know much about film criticism, they’re just a bunch of loud fans with opinions.
Then you must not have seen much of them. They’ve made some silly Star Wars videos in the past few years (not the PT reviews), but most of their content is great.
They certainly know what they’re talking about while also being fans with opinions.Well in what little I have seen they certainly acted like they knew what they were talking about at least…
I’ve watched the three movie length reviews of PT from them and while I agree that much of it is slapstick they do make some cogent remarks on plot, character building etc. and why the PT failed in those areas.
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https://medium.com/@hitRECordJoe/a-new-old-skywalker-253efda3809c
An essay written by JGL on Luke Skywalker - worth reading. Even though we ultimately disagree, he clarifies some great points already presented in this thread several times, and he does acknowledge that those who didn’t like the movie aren’t entirely wrong on Luke’s characterization or the movie itself.
If already posted, forgive me.
Great article and one I agree with. This is the general feeling from most pro critics I’ve read as well as far as that goes.
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https://medium.com/@hitRECordJoe/a-new-old-skywalker-253efda3809c
An essay written by JGL on Luke Skywalker - worth reading. Even though we ultimately disagree, he clarifies some great points already presented in this thread several times, and he does acknowledge that those who didn’t like the movie aren’t entirely wrong on Luke’s characterization or the movie itself.
If already posted, forgive me.
Another way to take this is that Luke is no longer our main character. In a movie, audience avatars such as Luke or Neo or Ethan Hunt cannot abandon their missions, cannot have self doubt so severe that they give up on the story, since that sends the clear message that the audience should give up on the story. I think this is where many fans are stuck right now. They still see Luke as the main character, someone who needs to have faith in this story. But the main character is Rey, and it is through her eyes that we are seeing this version of Luke. She is disappointed with this guy, the legend who was supposed to show Rey her place in all this. And that’s exactly why Luke cannot be the legend anymore. He must be a disappointment because otherwise people would continue to see him as the main character, and Rey would never even have the opportunity to carry the weight of the story on her shoulders.
People forget also that this is a mythological convention as old as the hills, and even Star Wars has used it in the past. The father figure becomes the ogre that our hero must slay, for the good of the people. Their time has passed, their rule is corrupted, the young blood must overthrow them. The Last Jedi accomplishes this in spades.
My problem with that is that I didn’t connect with Rey in TFA, which leads me to believe that most, if not all of my problems with TLJ, are TFA’s fault.
Well, TFA was so generic with respects to the OT I think anything outside of that realm would feel alien.
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Really good, lengthy interview with Rian on the latest episode of /filmcast, FYI. A lot of background and writing process stuff.
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So did he finally admit which he hates more, the character of Luke Skywalker or the fans of Luke Skywalker?
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You know he hates Luke.
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I got the impression in TFA that Leia had been shut out of the political process somewhere in those three decades. (I think someone said the novelization suggested the information about her true father was used against her?) Would that also cause the New Republic leadership to distance itself from Luke and the attempt to bring back the Jedi?
That could also factor in Luke’s decisions.Bloodline is that story.
Also, sorry guys, RLM sucks.
RLM is amazing. Hands down my favorite youtube channel and I ain’t being sarcastic. They also have great analysis. There are some wonderful half in the bag episodes of breaking down movies.
This. They’re also very funny and don’t take themselves too seriously. But if you’re a Star Wars fan who can’t laugh at yourself, they’re probably not for you.
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Careful now.
Down with this sort of thing.
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^ & ^^ one of the most unfunny things RLM has ever done.
But, yeah, they’re mostly great.
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Careful, you want the on-topic gif
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Of course! Whatever was I thinking? 😉
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^ & ^^ one of the most unfunny things RLM has ever done.
But, yeah, they’re mostly great.
Not sure if I could trust any of who does that.
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Wow, and I thought the thread was bad before. Thanks guys.
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Isn’t posting GIFs like those against the rules? Or does it have to include nudity?
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Isn’t posting GIFs like those against the rules? Or does it have to include nudity?
Is it? I guess we’ll find out soon enough.
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Great stuff guys.
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Isn’t posting GIFs like those against the rules? Or does it have to include nudity?
- Stay on topic. (Determined in part by the OP. See General Guideline #3 below for details.)
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Might break rule 1. The GIF may have had a direct bearing on the topic at hand but did it add value to the discussion? I don’t think the people posting it supported the actions contained therein, rather, they were using to criticize RLM.