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Are The Prequels That Bad? — Page 13

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lovelikewinter said:

I haven’t watched the Prequels in years

That’s really the best strategy, I think.

I’ve watched a prequel movie exactly one time since opening weekend 2002, and that was ROTS at the theater in 2005, just to get the whole damn experience over with.

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IMO, The Clone Wars series (Chronological story order) is way superior to me compared to the Prequel Trilogy. Even though there were also newer planets too.
Can’t believe I’m still trying to sell stupid Star Wars action figures with the PT lot included.

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IrishCal24 said:

Chuckster said:

I just heard of anti cheese prequels edits, is there anyway to view them since they haver been blocked on utube?

Check the comments on this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZENHLYZmLo and you’ll find links. Be forewarned, they’re still akin to turds that have been spray-painted gold. They may sparkle, but you can’t cover the smell.

Maybe they’re not your cup of tea but they’re certainly not turds. I know you’re referring to the source material though so it’s forgivable, but it is really in the eye of the beholder as to how good an edit is. The anti cheese edits are my go to edits for Ep 1 and 2 and this is after watching the renowned Hal9000, Seciors, Q2 and L8tr edits among other well done edits that for me, fail in a number of ways to make an enjoyable enough experience to sit through each movie. For Ep 3 I won’t go to any other edit than Kerr’s ‘Dark Force Rising’.

In regards to getting copies of the Anti Cheese edits they are also available over at fanedit.org but if you don’t know the actual process to get them through there, you will have to do some sniffing around to get that extra piece of info 😉

.Val

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Is it known by another name? Because I’ve never seen that edit on either FE or info.

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Unless they rewrite the entire script and then dub every actor to match it I don’t see how a few cuts here and there would really help. The fundamentals are broken, so just leaving a few more scenes on the cutting room floor isn’t exactly going to make them work.

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TV’s Frink said:

Is it known by another name? Because I’ve never seen that edit on either FE or info.

I know they’re not in the IFDB but from memory they are listed on info if you search for them. Though having just done a search they no longer seem to appear…maybe my memory is just addled o.O

.Val

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Sometimes info removes edit listings when the links go dead.

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Valheru_84 said:

IrishCal24 said:

Chuckster said:

I just heard of anti cheese prequels edits, is there anyway to view them since they haver been blocked on utube?

Check the comments on this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZENHLYZmLo and you’ll find links. Be forewarned, they’re still akin to turds that have been spray-painted gold. They may sparkle, but you can’t cover the smell.

Maybe they’re not your cup of tea but they’re certainly not turds. I know you’re referring to the source material though so it’s forgivable, but it is really in the eye of the beholder as to how good an edit is. The anti cheese edits are my go to edits for Ep 1 and 2 and this is after watching the renowned Hal9000, Seciors, Q2 and L8tr edits among other well done edits that for me, fail in a number of ways to make an enjoyable enough experience to sit through each movie. For Ep 3 I won’t go to any other edit than Kerr’s ‘Dark Force Rising’.

In regards to getting copies of the Anti Cheese edits they are also available over at fanedit.org but if you don’t know the actual process to get them through there, you will have to do some sniffing around to get that extra piece of info 😉

.Val

Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply the edits themselves were shoddy because they’re actually quite well done. I appreciate all the time and care it took to produce them.

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See, I think that the prequels have a couple of problems. They suffer from a push-pull; like Sergio Leone, I think Lucas started to want to have bigger ideas and even political ones, but they were at odds with the kids adventures he’d created to be the Star Wars world. Also, I think the main problem is this: the prequels have many interesting concepts and ideas in them, but their writing and direction fall so flat. Lucas still stages action sequences well, but simply has no skill with actors or dialogue. As a result, the cool, archetypal, epic battle between good and evil is mired in the whining of Hayden Christensen (May not be his fault, don’t know, with the character he’s stuck with, it’s hard to tell) and inane dialogue: “You underestimate my power!” “Love won’t save you.” “You’re breaking my heart!” Cringe-worthy, almost laugh-out loud funny dialogue doesn’t sell the good story (and it often is a good story) that Lucas came up with. He’s a great idea man and a good producer, but he needs other people to help him execute the ideas well. It’s a shame, because there’s a lot of potential there. I wouldn’t hate the prequels at all if they weren’t part of the reason for the constant changes to the OT, however. At worst, I’d probably be indifferent to them.

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death

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The prequels are an acquired taste.

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TV’s Frink said:

Mike O said:

See, I think that the prequels have a couple of problems.

A couple?

I’m trying to avoid Lucas-bashing and be as fair as I can.

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death

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Mike O said:

I wouldn’t hate the prequels at all if they weren’t part of the reason for the constant changes to the OT, however. At worst, I’d probably be indifferent to them.

This. The constant addition of the worst Prequel elements into the movies I love and the suppression of the original cuts had added to my Prequel hate. There are plenty of mediocre CGI heavy sci-fi movies out there and that’s all the PT is really.

It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher

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What exactly are the problems with the prelogy?

  1. Bad directing of actors, and in fact bad actors (with the exception of Liam Neeson and Ewan McGregor) …
    OK, but can not we say the same thing about the original trilogy where, honestly, Mark Hamill is as convincing as a ficus, and Carrie Fisher owes her aura only to the returns that Harrison Ford gave her?

  2. Unbearable character (Jar Jar), ​​only intended to please children …
    OK, but frankly, are the Ewoks more acceptable? I remember, in 1983, being very disappointed by the Ewoks, I thought it was a heresy from George to close such an important work with teddies. I was a lot more shocked by the Ewoks than by Jar Jar 16 years later.

  3. Poor scenario, script errors, weak dialogues …
    OK, but can not we say the same thing about the original trilogy (except from parts where Harrison Ford had to rewrite his texts, or where Irvin Kershner imposed his vision of things)? Can not we say that George has no inspiration since 1980?

  4. Inconsistencies and illogisms with the canon …
    OK, but the original trilogy is also incoherent with itself (unless you accept that stormtroopers and AT-ATs, designed to kill, are destroyed by teddy bears with wooden logs …)

What I want to say here is that, IMHO, we like the original trilogy not for what it is but for what we were when we discovered it: children or teens amazed by an unprecedented cinematic experience.
And we do not like prelogy for the same reasons: we were then jaded adults knowing every corner of Star Wars by heart, and nothing could impress us or find grace in our eyes.
But for me, the original trilogy is far from being a masterpiece, and prelogy is far from being a disaster.