STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED ** — Page 27

The Obi-Wan scene is needless, all he does is tell Luke that Leia is his sister. Cut that. Cut it cut it cut it - do it. Now.
Cut this scene and leave the one where Yoda says “there is another Skywalker.” Trim the scene where Luke and Leia talk on Endor to reflect this
NOW
During the end battle Vader says “you have a twin sister” do a flash of Leia via the Force. Yads did this in one of his edits but if my memory is correct I don’t think he scrubbed all the earlier stuff. Now it was Darth Vader who told Luke that he was his father and now it is Darth Vader telling Luke that he has sister, who is now fair play as a target. The scene makes the Skywalker family tree a revelation to Luke, Vader and the Emperor. Luke losing his cool makes even more sense when you cut it this way. I’ve done an edit of RotJ using the Yads edit as a base (the Boba Fett less one) and it works very, very well.

regularjoe said:

The Obi-Wan scene is needless, all he does is tell Luke that Leia is his sister. Cut that. Cut it cut it cut it - do it. Now.
Cut this scene and leave the one where Yoda says “there is another Skywalker.” Trim the scene where Luke and Leia talk on Endor to reflect this
NOW
During the end battle Vader says “you have a twin sister” do a flash of Leia via the Force. Yads did this in one of his edits but if my memory is correct I don’t think he scrubbed all the earlier stuff. Now it was Darth Vader who told Luke that he was his father and now it is Darth Vader telling Luke that he has sister, who is now fair play as a target. The scene makes the Skywalker family tree a revelation to Luke, Vader and the Emperor. Luke losing his cool makes even more sense when you cut it this way. I’ve done an edit of RotJ using the Yads edit as a base (the Boba Fett less one) and it works very, very well.

I disagree. I think Ben needs to answer for out and out lying to Luke. If one half of that interlude needs to go it’s Yoda’s death scene. It’s awful and says less.
Particularly positioned where it is in the movie. He hangs around for the whole gap between Luke leaving for Cloud City and coming back from Jabba just to get a bit ill, tired and then die within a space of a few moments and without finishing his final sentence. The whole sequence is comically awful. George is practically screaming at the audience (I DONT WANT TO DO ANY MORE STAR WARS MOVIES). Like Boba Fett its a thing that we don’t even need to see. Luke could be on Tatooine and sense Yoda’s passing if he is a fully trained Jedi Knight. Ben however has to finish telling Luke the story of his father. I would prefer him to do that where he started on Tatooine where there is some actual resonance rather than resting his ghost butt on a tree stump on Dagobah but it’s not my show.

Donation made. All the best Adywan, may the force be with you!

doubleofive said:

doubleofive said:

Thanks to him and ImageShack, the mockups are mostly gone, but the list is just private if I had the momentum to clean it up.

Now hosting all the images on the Wordpress, we’re back up.

https://doubleofive.wordpress.com/rotj-fanedit-wishlist/

What is the list inside this link? Just listing all suggestions made so far by everyone? Or just from yourself? I take it from the italics and strike through comments that it’s not an official list which I’m grateful for if it means none of the PT inspired changes make it in! I read the suggestion about replacing the advisors with Nemoidians and nearly puked! A lot of the other suggested changes are pretty solid and good but I can’t stand the thought of defiling an OT movie with PT aspects!! I already hate GL just for Hayden’s head on Shaw’s body…

.Val

Just got to say that some of the suggestions I’ve read in here such as Regularjoe and Bingowings above (as well as others many pages back now) verge on the fan edit territory if not outright “re-imagined” territory for some suggestions and I really hope Adywan sticks to his guns on making “what the SEs should have been”. That is to enhance what is already there, fix all the little niggles and continuity issues and overall elevate the original movie to something really special like he’s already done for ANH and TESB.

We’re all here because we loved the original movies, cutting out parts like Kenobi or Yoda’s death or adding in PT inspired changes will all contribute to actually ruining the movie for many people for various reasons instead of EVERYONE still being able to enjoy and love an even better version and proper SE of ROTJ, warts and all. If there are certain things you want to change for yourself then take the end result of ROTJ:R as a base and make an actual fan edit.

Anyway, I’m not here to tell Adywan what to do with ROTJ:R, that’s just my opinion on the matter and it just shocked me a bit when reading through and expecting to see people offering up details of things to fix and ways to improve the movie to an SE version but instead seeing many suggestions that would completely alter the story and movie itself.

.Val

doubleofive said:

Valheru_84 said:

Donation made. All the best Adywan, may the force be with you!

doubleofive said:

doubleofive said:

Thanks to him and ImageShack, the mockups are mostly gone, but the list is just private if I had the momentum to clean it up.

Now hosting all the images on the Wordpress, we’re back up.

https://doubleofive.wordpress.com/rotj-fanedit-wishlist/

What is the list inside this link? Just listing all suggestions made so far by everyone? Or just from yourself? I take it from the italics and strike through comments that it’s not an official list which I’m grateful for if it means none of the PT inspired changes make it in! I read the suggestion about replacing the advisors with Nemoidians and nearly puked! A lot of the other suggested changes are pretty solid and good but I can’t stand the thought of defiling an OT movie with PT aspects!! I already hate GL just for Hayden’s head on Shaw’s body…

.Val

This was a 5 year old compilation of suggestions/mockups from another thread.

Valheru_84 said:

Just got to say that some of the suggestions I’ve read in here such as Regularjoe and Bingowings above (as well as others many pages back now) verge on the fan edit territory if not outright “re-imagined” territory for some suggestions and I really hope Adywan sticks to his guns on making “what the SEs should have been”. That is to enhance what is already there, fix all the little niggles and continuity issues and overall elevate the original movie to something really special like he’s already done for ANH and TESB.

We’re all here because we loved the original movies, cutting out parts like Kenobi or Yoda’s death or adding in PT inspired changes will all contribute to actually ruining the movie for many people for various reasons instead of EVERYONE still being able to enjoy and love an even better version and proper SE of ROTJ, warts and all. If there are certain things you want to change for yourself then take the end result of ROTJ:R as a base and make an actual fan edit.

Anyway, I’m not here to tell Adywan what to do with ROTJ:R, that’s just my opinion on the matter and it just shocked me a bit when reading through and expecting to see people offering up details of things to fix and ways to improve the movie to an SE version but instead seeing many suggestions that would completely alter the story and movie itself.

.Val

Like I said recently “What The Special Editions Should Have Been” was a tagline I came up with. Adywan has said he’s planning for this to be an actual fan edit, not a fan fix.

Ah k, fair enough on both accounts. I just hope Ady’s fan edit isn’t too radical…I’ve fully embraced and loved what he’s done with ANH:R and TESB:R and it would really suck personally to not have a similar ROTJ:R to finish off an awesome re-visioning of the SEs. I know the tag line was created by you but I think it perfectly epitomises what the Revisited movies are and I hope they will form the perfect SW Revisited saga / trilogy rather than having 2 awesome SEs and having to find a different fan fix to finish it off…or even worse, left an incomplete trilogy with no other fan fix being worthy to fill the void 😕

It kind of puzzles me though that you would get 2/3 of the way through revisiting the trilogy in such a way and then change direction and focus for the last 3rd which chances ruining the success and the prospect of going down in history as the perfect fan fix SE trilogy. Such probably wasn’t what Ady was aiming for but in my mind that is where it was headed. Saying this may not happen if it’s going to be an edit instead of a fix is not a sledge against Ady as I doubt anything he produces would be less than amazing but in all seriousness, when I thought about my future SW viewing experience, the image consisted of having a really hard time choosing each time whether to watch Harmy’s DSE OT or Ady’s Revisited OT SEs and the thought now of that possibly not being the case if Ady ends up making ROTJ:R quite different from the theatrical story, it’s a bit of a shock to the system.

Anyway, I’m still happy to have made the donation and will eagerly await over the years to see what comes of it. I understand it’s Ady’s edit, his vision of SW…finding out it will be an edit rather than a fix though just happened to give a good yank on the SW rug underneath me that has only started to piece itself back together upon finding my way here looking for PT fan edits which led me to Harmy’s DSEs and other amazing community creations that have made my SW viewing experience something truly enjoyable and loved again, instead of subconsciously trying to forget what GL did in later years to some of my favourite all time movies that I grew up with.

.Val

Edit: Also sorry to those that I called out above on their suggestions…I didn’t realise it was going to be an edit rather than a fix. Val

Valheru_84, I am of similar opinion to yourself. “What the special edition should have been” is a great description for SW and ESB Revisited and I hope it will also apply to ROTJ Revisited.

Whilst Adywan has mentioned that there will be more editorial changes in this film than the previous two I look at what he’s specifically mentioned in his change list on the first post and these all seem very much in keeping with the previous two Revisited films.

Reading through this thread there are many people who want to push and petition him to make more major changes, rearrangements and even introduce new subplots (several pages were spent trying to persuade him that introducing a ‘Boba secret plan to kidnap Luke’ subplot was somehow worthwhile).

I think Adywan is now ‘two for two’ and has earned a degree of trust. His instincts on what to change and what to leave well alone seem to be sound. As Lucas discovered, these are beloved films and one clunky misjudged change can ruin the whole film for the audience, but I trust Adywan not to make any Greedo Shoots First type mistakes and go off the deep end.

If you think the suggestions for ROTJ:R so far are “pushing” Ady to go too far, you must not have been around for the ANH:R and ESB:R threads early on…

Point being, we throw a bunch of shit at the wall and Ady has proven he has a good head for taking the good suggestions and leaving the shit where it belongs. But sometimes you don’t know of something is good or shit until you throw it out there.

(To be fair, I wasn’t in the ANH:R thread until after its release, but I’ve read through most of the early pages by now.)

ChainsawAsh said:

If you think the suggestions for ROTJ:R so far are “pushing” Ady to go too far, you must not have been around for the ANH:R and ESB:R threads early on…

Point being, we throw a bunch of shit at the wall and Ady has proven he has a good head for taking the good suggestions and leaving the shit where it belongs. But sometimes you don’t know of something is good or shit until you throw it out there.

(To be fair, I wasn’t in the ANH:R thread until after its release, but I’ve read through most of the early pages by now.)

Makes sense. There’s no harm in offering politely. The previous releases should indeed prepare people that some of their more drastic suggestions might not make the cut.

Cut that. Cut it cut it cut it - do it. Now.
…
NOW

On the other hand, there are posts like this.

regularjoe said:

The Obi-Wan scene is needless, all he does is tell Luke that Leia is his sister. Cut that. Cut it cut it cut it - do it. Now.
Cut this scene and leave the one where Yoda says “there is another Skywalker.” Trim the scene where Luke and Leia talk on Endor to reflect this
NOW
During the end battle Vader says “you have a twin sister” do a flash of Leia via the Force. Yads did this in one of his edits but if my memory is correct I don’t think he scrubbed all the earlier stuff. Now it was Darth Vader who told Luke that he was his father and now it is Darth Vader telling Luke that he has sister, who is now fair play as a target. The scene makes the Skywalker family tree a revelation to Luke, Vader and the Emperor. Luke losing his cool makes even more sense when you cut it this way. I’ve done an edit of RotJ using the Yads edit as a base (the Boba Fett less one) and it works very, very well.

Were you raised in a barn?!

😉

jarbear said:

Return of the Jedi will be the most interesting of the two on what Ady will decide to do. Compared to the first two, this one does need SOME degree of editing … be it story, plot, structure, etc. ANH and ESB were fine on their own movies wise, which don’t need “fixing” for the story or pace. Adding some polish to them like Ady did was perfectly legitimate and did not retract from those edits.

ROTJ does need something. I like the movie, but there is an “offness” to it compared to the other two. Nostalgic, yes, but as a movie … needs something. Granted it does not need to be DRASTIC thing done … but definitely needs more editing then revisiting.

Granted, Ady did fantastic with the previous two, so I am happy to wait and see what he does. Its good for people to talk about it and throw ideas since some of these turds could be simple gems for Ady to use. 😉

I agree with this wholeheartedly. I think that the “offness” you refer to is the result of Gary Kurtz leaving following a tough ESB production. When that happened George Lucas had no one left to reel him in and actually craft a good “story”; characters and logic took a back seat to thrills and toys. In my humble opinion, not having anyone to challenge Lucas was the reason that everything was downhill after ESB. But that probably belongs in another thread.

If Ady can make some changes to improve the tone, tighten the narrative, and add some depth then I have no doubt that it will make a movie that you will love to watch, even if it’s not what you or I personally envisioned.

I think that he’s earned that amount of trust.

ray_afraid said:

Is there any way to make the rescue plan make sense?

Can’t think of any.
It is a mess.
But I don’t think there is anything you can do, without reshooting this part of movie.

Even if it doesn’t make it any more sensible, removing the scene of chewie being captured would be a good thing just because it’s so awful.