I am, however, very much in favor of seeing a string of thousands of various cargo/construction crafts moving between the Death Star and the moon, which can include the Zeta-class; for there it makes sense and I hope we see it.
I was thinking of this too, but does the current dialog on the Star Destroyer allow for Tydirium to just be one of hundreds they’ve seen today? And would they all have to pass right over the Destroyer and “fly casual”?
It would be cool to see dozens of shuttles milling about the Death Star, but since the moon only contains the shield generator and this is operational, there shouldn’t be many craft traveling that way. So perhaps Tydirium is in a line of shuttles headed for the Death Star but breaks away for the moon, taking it across the path of the destroyer.
“Where is that shuttle going?” Could work!
But this would eliminate a very important piece of information, that Vader can feel Luke’s presence, and that he realizes that the Emperor was right, and his son came to him.
If he thinks this is just a rebel shuttle they might just shoot it down. I see no reason why Vader would let them land on Endor.
The only thing this changes is that Vader questions where the shuttle is going because it’s breaking from the normal route. It doesn’t alter the fact that Vader then senses Luke.
And they don’t think it’s a Rebel shuttle, it’s an Imperial cargo ship and the older clearance code they have “still checks out”. None of that is changed.
- Even ignoring the PT, many people have complained that DS2 was nearing completion in too short a time, so I thought that a less completed version might mitigate that complaint.
Once you know how to design/build something, it would more than likely take a much shorter time to do it again.
According to the EU (I know, I know) the gas giant Endor has nine moons. The mining operation could take place on one or more of these moons, and we could see a partially destroyed moon passing in front of Endor prime in one shot. There’s some potential here for striking imagery, ala Avatar:
I think planet Endor looks way too big.
Jupiter view from Europa in a video by a NASA scientist at 2.44:
https://www.space.com/28705-how-to-live-on-europa.html
Europa distance from Jupiter is less 700000 km.
Ganymede is over 1 million.
Callisto 1,8 million km
So there is no need that the planet should fill the whole screen
Clearly if this is a moon, a planet must be near by, but not necessarily too close, so when the rebel fleet arrives, it should not draw the attention of the viewers. I think.
Unless it is Space 1999, with a moon on the lose. Then there is no planet 😉
- Even ignoring the PT, many people have complained that DS2 was nearing completion in too short a time, so I thought that a less completed version might mitigate that complaint.
Once you know how to design/build something, it would more than likely take a much shorter time to do it again.
Was about to say the same.
Plus you already have experience, you know the flaws, you know what to correct etc…
I would build the same, but better.
But this would eliminate a very important piece of information, that Vader can feel Luke’s presence, and that he realizes that the Emperor was right, and his son came to him.
If he thinks this is just a rebel shuttle they might just shoot it down. I see no reason why Vader would let them land on Endor.The only thing this changes is that Vader questions where the shuttle is going because it’s breaking from the normal route. It doesn’t alter the fact that Vader then senses Luke.
And they don’t think it’s a Rebel shuttle, it’s an Imperial cargo ship and the older clearance code they have “still checks out”. None of that is changed.
I believe it could make the audience feel that Vader is asking about the shuttle because he senses that it is off course, not because of Luke.
Yes they would think. Unless you cut the following dialog:
Piett: Shall I hold them?
Vader: No leave them to me. I will deal with them myself.
Clearly they know.
- Even ignoring the PT, many people have complained that DS2 was nearing completion in too short a time, so I thought that a less completed version might mitigate that complaint.
Once you know how to design/build something, it would more than likely take a much shorter time to do it again.
Was about to say the same.
Plus you already have experience, you know the flaws, you know what to correct etc…
I would build the same, but better.
An Empire had to start growing, and because of that, the research still being done, and all of the production delays, it took a whole 19 years for the Death Star I to be fully finished. It only took 4 years for the Death Star II to be built because by then, the Empire was in full power.
Yes they would think. Unless you cut the following dialog:
Piett: Shall I hold them?
Vader: No leave them to me. I will deal with them myself.Clearly they know.
No, Piett is asking because Vader obviously suspects something. Piett "was about to clear them."
Vader knows because he senses Luke. Luke is “endangering the mission.” If Luke wasn’t there, Han & Co. would have sailed right through with no problem.
- Even ignoring the PT, many people have complained that DS2 was nearing completion in too short a time, so I thought that a less completed version might mitigate that complaint.
Once you know how to design/build something, it would more than likely take a much shorter time to do it again.
Was about to say the same.
Plus you already have experience, you know the flaws, you know what to correct etc…
I would build the same, but better.An Empire had to start growing, and because of that, the research still being done, and all of the production delays, it took a whole 19 years for the Death Star I to be fully finished. It only took 4 years for the Death Star II to be built because by then, the Empire was in full power.
And it sounds like the book canon says that they finished the superstructure years ago, it just took them a decade to make the weapon work. Now that they know how to do that, they just have to mount the weapon on a frame and hook it up to a reactor.
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- Even ignoring the PT, many people have complained that DS2 was nearing completion in too short a time, so I thought that a less completed version might mitigate that complaint.
Once you know how to design/build something, it would more than likely take a much shorter time to do it again.
Was about to say the same.
Plus you already have experience, you know the flaws, you know what to correct etc…
I would build the same, but better.An Empire had to start growing, and because of that, the research still being done, and all of the production delays, it took a whole 19 years for the Death Star I to be fully finished. It only took 4 years for the Death Star II to be built because by then, the Empire was in full power.
And it sounds like the book canon says that they finished the superstructure years ago, it just took them a decade to make the weapon work. Now that they know how to do that, they just have to mount the weapon on a frame and hook it up to a reactor.
Near the opening of Rogue One is where they added the dish onto it, which was the finishing touch.
Yes they would think. Unless you cut the following dialog:
Piett: Shall I hold them?
Vader: No leave them to me. I will deal with them myself.Clearly they know.
No, Piett is asking because Vader obviously suspects something. Piett "was about to clear them."
Vader knows because he senses Luke. Luke is “endangering the mission.” If Luke wasn’t there, Han & Co. would have sailed right through with no problem.
If you take the shuttle off course then it won’t be clear that Vader senses Luke, and not the shuttle off course.
They knows after Vader makes it clear.
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Yes they would think. Unless you cut the following dialog:
Piett: Shall I hold them?
Vader: No leave them to me. I will deal with them myself.Clearly they know.
No, Piett is asking because Vader obviously suspects something. Piett "was about to clear them."
Vader knows because he senses Luke. Luke is “endangering the mission.” If Luke wasn’t there, Han & Co. would have sailed right through with no problem.If you take the shuttle off course then it won’t be clear that Vader senses Luke, and not the shuttle off course.
They knows after Vader makes it clear.
I see what you’re sayin’, but I don’t think Vader sensing Luke would get lost if this change was made. It might change what initially alerts Vader, but the audience would still realize that he knows Luke is on board through the already existing visuals, editing and the direct dialog that says so.
I also don’t think it would get too lost either. Even when you watch the scene, I don’t think right away the audience think “Vader knows Luke is there” when he asks about the shuttle. It seems RIGHT at that moment the thinking was more like “there is a shuttle that came from no where and wants to go to planet, that seems a bit odd.” Hence, why he wants to know what that shuttle is doing. Once he begins focusing on the shuttle, then he sensed Luke’s presence.
Or, one could think he felt something was off about the shuttle and wanted to explore his “gut” feeling. (force, whatever.) It was then confirmed later in that scene.
From the scene at least, it wasn’t until the dialogue a bit after his question about the shuttle it was implying Vader was sensing Luke specifically. SO adding more shuttles in the scene or whatever does not affect the dialogue at all.
“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”
Yes they would think. Unless you cut the following dialog:
Piett: Shall I hold them?
Vader: No leave them to me. I will deal with them myself.Clearly they know.
No, Piett is asking because Vader obviously suspects something. Piett "was about to clear them."
Vader knows because he senses Luke. Luke is “endangering the mission.” If Luke wasn’t there, Han & Co. would have sailed right through with no problem.If you take the shuttle off course then it won’t be clear that Vader senses Luke, and not the shuttle off course.
They knows after Vader makes it clear.
I see what you’re sayin’, but I don’t think Vader sensing Luke would get lost if this change was made. It might change what initially alerts Vader, but the audience would still realize that he knows Luke is on board through the already existing visuals, editing and the direct dialog that says so.
IDK. Visual only tells me that Vader senses something, just as with Kenobi in TNH.
The dialog only suggests he believes they are rebels.
Luke mentions he might be the problem somehow, so it could be interpreted that Vader senses Luke, still would not feel like more than a vague possibility, and certainly not the first thing I would think of.
On the other hand, if they stay on course, than it can ONLY be Luke’s presence that alerts Vader. And everybody knows that instantly, mostly because the of lack of any other explanation.
Star Wars is simple.
(well the OT is)
I also don’t think it would get too lost either. Even when you watch the scene, I don’t think right away the audience think “Vader knows Luke is there” when he asks about the shuttle. It seems RIGHT at that moment the thinking was more like
"there is a shuttle that came from no where and wants to go to planet, that seems a bit odd."
A shuttle coming from somewhere is exactly what you would expect, when you need workforce and things for the construction.
Nothing odd about that.
- Even ignoring the PT, many people have complained that DS2 was nearing completion in too short a time, so I thought that a less completed version might mitigate that complaint.
Once you know how to design/build something, it would more than likely take a much shorter time to do it again.
Was about to say the same.
Plus you already have experience, you know the flaws, you know what to correct etc…
I would build the same, but better.An Empire had to start growing, and because of that, the research still being done, and all of the production delays, it took a whole 19 years for the Death Star I to be fully finished. It only took 4 years for the Death Star II to be built because by then, the Empire was in full power.
And it sounds like the book canon says that they finished the superstructure years ago, it just took them a decade to make the weapon work. Now that they know how to do that, they just have to mount the weapon on a frame and hook it up to a reactor.
Near the opening of Rogue One is where they added the dish onto it, which was the finishing touch.
And yet in Revenge of the Sith we see them building the dish as part of the frame of the station. Maybe it got broked up 😄
According to the EU (I know, I know) the gas giant Endor has nine moons. The mining operation could take place on one or more of these moons, and we could see a partially destroyed moon passing in front of Endor prime in one shot. There’s some potential here for striking imagery, ala Avatar:
I think planet Endor looks way too big.
Jupiter view from Europa in a video by a NASA scientist at 2.44:
https://www.space.com/28705-how-to-live-on-europa.html
Europa distance from Jupiter is less 700000 km.
Ganymede is over 1 million.
Callisto 1,8 million km
So there is no need that the planet should fill the whole screenClearly if this is a moon, a planet must be near by, but not necessarily too close, so when the rebel fleet arrives, it should not draw the attention of the viewers. I think.
Unless it is Space 1999, with a moon on the lose. Then there is no planet 😉
Yavin IV is an example of a Rebel base on a moon with a gas giant dominating the sky. I have no problem with Endor being it’s dark twin. As long as the colours are different and the base is cold and sterile and an ugly affront to nature to contrast with the crumbling temples that the Rebels chose I have no problem with Endor Prime filling the sky.
I also don’t think it would get too lost either. Even when you watch the scene, I don’t think right away the audience think “Vader knows Luke is there” when he asks about the shuttle. It seems RIGHT at that moment the thinking was more like “there is a shuttle that came from no where and wants to go to planet, that seems a bit odd.” Hence, why he wants to know what that shuttle is doing. Once he begins focusing on the shuttle, then he sensed Luke’s presence.
Exactly. Then the dialog from Luke tells us that Vader knows he’s there. I mean, they actually say it out loud! It’s not a subtle moment.
I wouldn’t want to see the design of the DSII altered substantially. It’s literally the favicon of this website, too iconic imo.
I think Adywan using a picture of the modelin the social media image is a sign.
“It’s a photo of the model used, taken from the lucasfilm archives. It was flipped in the film.”
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Is Ady planning on re-flipping all shots of the flipped DS to be like the unflipped model? Or is he keeping it flipped as it was originally flipped?
Too many flippin’ flips 😄
Beats me, I’m guessing on things based on comments on FB.
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I also don’t think it would get too lost either. Even when you watch the scene, I don’t think right away the audience think “Vader knows Luke is there” when he asks about the shuttle. It seems RIGHT at that moment the thinking was more like “there is a shuttle that came from no where and wants to go to planet, that seems a bit odd.” Hence, why he wants to know what that shuttle is doing. Once he begins focusing on the shuttle, then he sensed Luke’s presence.
Exactly. Then the dialog from Luke tells us that Vader knows he’s there. I mean, they actually say it out loud! It’s not a subtle moment.
It works from your point of view, because you already know, this is what happens, and ignore every other possibility.
Because you must totally ignore that the shuttle is off course, so it can be percieved that Luke is the reason, why Vader acts like that.
At this point in the movie, Luke’s dialog actually only tells us that his presence is a problem, because he senses Vader in the Force and he fears Vader MIGHT feel him too. But clearly he is not that sure about it.
Oh and we all know that so far Vader wasn’t able to recognize his old master from 5 feet, merely FEEL SOMETHING, and in ESB, at the end, Vader knew Luke is there.
So this only works if there is no other distraction that would present a logical reason, or an even more logical and simpler reason.
Vader wasn’t looking for Obi-Wan in ANH, whereas he was obsessed with finding Luke in TESB/ROTJ.
Jan-wan, no other cargo/construction craft will even be close to the heroes’ at the time when Vader is seeing/sensing theirs, so there shouldn’t be a problem. Any craft that may be added would be way away in the background with the DS. I wouldn’t see those as a distraction, but rather as a visual enhancement to the work that should be going on to the DS.
