JJ Abrams is entirely unsuited to third acts, at least in a writing capacity.
So sadly this. 😦
What’s the track record here? Do most of his projects fall apart at the end?
I’m really not very familiar with JJ’s works. I’ve seen the Trek reboot and TFA. Thought both were “meh” but not bad.
And he had something to do with Cloverfield, which I liked quite a bit.
Do you see every movie that comes out?
Only every anime movie.
Abrams did Lost. I don’t know of anyone who liked how it ended. His Star Trek movies sucked. TFA has major issues in terms of basic story telling. Abrams is the absolute worst person to pick for IX. I officially predict it will suck. It will be pretty, it will have great characters, but the story will have major holes and the ending will be meh. IX needs an epic ending and Abrams is the worst person to deliver that. God help us if he has anything to do with the writing of it. With a good script it stands a chance (though Abrams will likely screw up the editing like he did in TFA), but I predict he will have a hand in writing it and he will edit it and it will be the worst Star Wars movies I have ever seen. I will see it though, but I expect to be disappointed.
JJ Abrams is entirely unsuited to third acts, at least in a writing capacity.
So sadly this. 😦
What’s the track record here? Do most of his projects fall apart at the end?
I’m really not very familiar with JJ’s works. I’ve seen the Trek reboot and TFA. Thought both were “meh” but not bad.
And he had something to do with Cloverfield, which I liked quite a bit.
He was the Producer of Cloverfield.
In terms of writing, he was involved with Super 8, Lost, TFA, Armageddon, and Mission: Impossible 3, among a few others that I haven’t seen. I also haven’t seen Lost but it’s infamous for flubbing the ending, so I’ll count it. Of these projects, Super 8, Lost, and TFA have fumbled their endings. Armageddon and MI3 were serviceable in this regard, but one of these was a verifiable mess throughout. So really my hope for Episode 9 rests entirely on the strength of Mission Impossible 3, and that gives me copious amounts of pause.
You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)
JJ Abrams is entirely unsuited to third acts, at least in a writing capacity.
So sadly this. 😦
What’s the track record here? Do most of his projects fall apart at the end?
I’m really not very familiar with JJ’s works. I’ve seen the Trek reboot and TFA. Thought both were “meh” but not bad.
And he had something to do with Cloverfield, which I liked quite a bit.He was the Producer of Cloverfield.
In terms of writing, he was involved with Super 8, Lost, TFA, Armageddon, and Mission: Impossible 3, among a few others that I haven’t seen. I also haven’t seen Lost but it’s infamous for flubbing the ending, so I’ll count it. Of these projects, Super 8, Lost, and TFA have fumbled their endings. Armageddon and MI3 were serviceable in this regard, but one of these was a verifiable mess throughout. So really my hope for Episode 9 rests entirely on the strength of Mission Impossible 3, and that gives me copious amounts of pause.
What he did with Trek and TFA has made me hate him.
JJ Abrams is entirely unsuited to third acts, at least in a writing capacity.
So sadly this. 😦
What’s the track record here? Do most of his projects fall apart at the end?
I’m really not very familiar with JJ’s works. I’ve seen the Trek reboot and TFA. Thought both were “meh” but not bad.
And he had something to do with Cloverfield, which I liked quite a bit.He was the Producer of Cloverfield.
In terms of writing, he was involved with Super 8, Lost, TFA, Armageddon, and Mission: Impossible 3, among a few others that I haven’t seen. I also haven’t seen Lost but it’s infamous for flubbing the ending, so I’ll count it. Of these projects, Super 8, Lost, and TFA have fumbled their endings. Armageddon and MI3 were serviceable in this regard, but one of these was a verifiable mess throughout. So really my hope for Episode 9 rests entirely on the strength of Mission Impossible 3, and that gives me copious amounts of pause.
What he did with Trek and TFA has made me hate him.
Sounds reasonable.
I don’t exactly remember the ending of Super 8 but I seem to recall it being a disappointment after a fantastic most-of-the-movie, so I buy that.
Everyone seems to agree on Lost, although TV is a different thing.
What was the problem with the ending of TFA, exactly?
Did JJ have much to do with Lost beyond the first season? I believe he stayed on as a producer, but I’m not sure that the controversial ending was related to him. And even that was down to the fact that the show never really had a plan (as far as I know). They made it up as they went, which led to some great ideas and moments, but not something that could have really been resolved well.
But there’s still a parallel between Lost and the ST. They’re both things that JJ kicked off without a plan for what to do with it later on.
Do we know for sure that JJ had no plan for what to do with the ST?
Or that it was up to him, for that matter.
http://www.starwars.com/news/j-j-abrams-to-write-and-direct-star-wars-episode-ix?cmp=smc|1069686719
Jesus.
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I’m worried because I remember Star Trek Into Darkness.
“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”
Do we know for sure that JJ had no plan with what to do with the ST?
Based on the things Rian has said, it was entirely up to him on what happens to Luke next. He has said, I believe, that he basically just picked it up from exactly where JJ left it off and made it his own thing. I’m sure there are greater discussions with Kennedy et al. that they’re not going to tell us about for spoiler related reasons. But from everything JJ has said, his decision to leave Luke was due to what he wanted to get out that film as opposed to a desire to set up Luke’s role in the trilogy.
We will probably learn more once the ST can be discussed retrospectively.
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Or that it was up to him, for that matter.
We only really know what we’ve been told. Both JJ and Rian have expressed that they had a tremendous amount of freedom with regards to what they do in VII and VIII. Of course, we assume there are limitations and restrictions, and that they aren’t going to discuss things that were forced upon them. But decisions involving Luke have been made by JJ (leave him out of a film) and Rian (something unexpected that apparently Mark Hamill initially disliked).
So, my assessment so far is that of course they don’t have complete autonomy, but they have more than I would have expected.
Abrams has no vision of his own, all of his movies have been recreations of the pop culture he enjoyed as a kid. This is the worst possible choice, we already had a remake of the first SW, and the last thing we need is a remake of ROTJ. I still don’t know why so many consider him a good director. Seriously, fuck JJ Abrams.
What was the problem with the ending of TFA, exactly?
The fact that it doesn’t.
To explain: Certainly TFA has an ending, more of an ending than some movies at any rate. The problem is that it doesn’t have a Star Wars ending. In every Star Wars movie up to this one, we are able to significantly jump forward in time to the next installment, since the final scenes of each Star Wars movie before TFA have been some kind of statement or resolution (just put the words ‘deal with it’ after each of these summaries):
TPM: We saved the day. Anakin will be a Jedi.
AOTC: The Clone Wars have started. Anakin and Padme are married.
ROTS: The Empire won, our heroes are in hiding, and Anakin is Vader.
ANH: The Death Star blew up, and we’re celebrating.
ESB: We’re going to find Han no matter what.
ROTJ: The Empire lost.
TFA doesn’t end with a resolution or statement. It ends with Rey looking to Luke and basically asking him to train her. We don’t know what he will do.
And just in case you think I’m reading this as a question whereas it’s understood to be a resolution of some type, let me show you the end of the novelization:
Whether motivated by her stare or by something unknown, the figure finally turned toward her and pulled back his hood.
Luke Skywalker.
His hair and beard were white, and his countenance was haunted. He did not speak, nor did she.
Remembering, Rey reached into her pack and removed his lightsaber. Taking several steps forward, she held it out to him. An offer. A plea. The galaxy’s only hope.
She wondered what would happen next.
So it’s very clearly a cliffhanger and a question, rather than a conclusion and a statement.
Rian has even had to re-film this scene in TLJ just to answer this question. At the very least this is a complete departure from every other film in this series, and for no discernible reason other than that JJ simply had no idea where to take the story.
You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)
“Who is Luke Skywalker? Heck if I know.”
“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”
Holy fucking shit guys do you not realize Abrams had nothing to do with Lost past the first season?
I don’t really think he has a “third act problem.” I’ve argued far too many times about TFA’s ending to do it again. And I think Super 8 is very underrated.
Though I do wish he was co-writing with Johnson, not Terrio (the latter being a bit concerning although I don’t think we can put all the BvS blame on him).
Do we know for sure that JJ had no plan for what to do with the ST?
Well if his plan looks like TFA, then it is better he did not have any plan at all.
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I would love Kasden to do a polish on his script, but Han Solo delays are probably taking up his time. Rian taking a look wouldn’t go amiss either. But I loved TFA and his characters were great, and that’s what I’m interested in. What is the resolution of these characters. Also, there will be no stupid Prequel shit, because JJ ignores them so if Rian doesn’t fail me no ghost Hayden to ruin things!
It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher
Seriously, fuck JJ Abrams.
Hahahaha.
What was the problem with the ending of TFA, exactly?
The fact that it doesn’t.
To explain: Certainly TFA has an ending, more of an ending than some movies at any rate. The problem is that it doesn’t have a Star Wars ending. In every Star Wars movie up to this one, we are able to significantly jump forward in time to the next installment, since the final scenes of each Star Wars movie before TFA have been some kind of statement or resolution (just put the words ‘deal with it’ after each of these summaries):
TPM: We saved the day. Anakin will be a Jedi.
AOTC: The Clone Wars have started. Anakin and Padme are married.
ROTS: The Empire won, our heroes are in hiding, and Anakin is Vader.
ANH: The Death Star blew up, and we’re celebrating.
ESB: We’re going to find Han no matter what.
ROTJ: The Empire lost.TFA doesn’t end with a resolution or statement. It ends with Rey looking to Luke and basically asking him to train her. We don’t know what he will do.
And just in case you think I’m reading this as a question whereas it’s understood to be a resolution of some type, let me show you the end of the novelization:
Whether motivated by her stare or by something unknown, the figure finally turned toward her and pulled back his hood.
Luke Skywalker.
His hair and beard were white, and his countenance was haunted. He did not speak, nor did she.
Remembering, Rey reached into her pack and removed his lightsaber. Taking several steps forward, she held it out to him. An offer. A plea. The galaxy’s only hope.
She wondered what would happen next.So it’s very clearly a cliffhanger and a question, rather than a conclusion and a statement.
Rian has even had to re-film this scene in TLJ just to answer this question. At the very least this is a complete departure from every other film in this series, and for no discernible reason other than that JJ simply had no idea where to take the story.
Sounds like that’s a “you” (and other people, to be fair to you) problem rather than a movie trilogy problem, but ok.
Also ESB isn’t that much different, and ANH was conceived as a stand-alone, and prequels lol.
What was the problem with the ending of TFA, exactly?
It didn’t really ‘end,’ but I see no problem with that.
What was the problem with the ending of TFA, exactly?
The fact that it doesn’t.
To explain: Certainly TFA has an ending, more of an ending than some movies at any rate. The problem is that it doesn’t have a Star Wars ending. In every Star Wars movie up to this one, we are able to significantly jump forward in time to the next installment, since the final scenes of each Star Wars movie before TFA have been some kind of statement or resolution (just put the words ‘deal with it’ after each of these summaries):
TPM: We saved the day. Anakin will be a Jedi.
AOTC: The Clone Wars have started. Anakin and Padme are married.
ROTS: The Empire won, our heroes are in hiding, and Anakin is Vader.
ANH: The Death Star blew up, and we’re celebrating.
ESB: We’re going to find Han no matter what.
ROTJ: The Empire lost.TFA doesn’t end with a resolution or statement. It ends with Rey looking to Luke and basically asking him to train her. We don’t know what he will do.
And just in case you think I’m reading this as a question whereas it’s understood to be a resolution of some type, let me show you the end of the novelization:
Whether motivated by her stare or by something unknown, the figure finally turned toward her and pulled back his hood.
Luke Skywalker.
His hair and beard were white, and his countenance was haunted. He did not speak, nor did she.
Remembering, Rey reached into her pack and removed his lightsaber. Taking several steps forward, she held it out to him. An offer. A plea. The galaxy’s only hope.
She wondered what would happen next.So it’s very clearly a cliffhanger and a question, rather than a conclusion and a statement.
Rian has even had to re-film this scene in TLJ just to answer this question. At the very least this is a complete departure from every other film in this series, and for no discernible reason other than that JJ simply had no idea where to take the story.Sounds like that’s a “you” (and other people, to be fair to you) problem rather than a movie trilogy problem, but ok.
Also ESB isn’t that much different, and ANH was conceived as a stand-alone, and prequels lol.
Agreed.
Why does he have to be the writer too?
What was the problem with the ending of TFA, exactly?
It didn’t really ‘end,’ but I see no problem with that.
Yep.
Because it’s the first movie. Of a trilogy. I don’t know why people insist it had to have a proper ending.
Now if he does the same thing at the end of IX, yeah that’s a problem.
I think people tend to forget that Star Wars was originally only one movie. TFA was always part one of three, so the ending worked for me.
It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher