TFA: A Gentle Restructure (Released) — Page 37

Anyone have access to halfway decent and/or isolated 3PO and BB8 gyro/motor sound effects?

Yeah… I don’t think those earlier FO control room shots from the ‘weapon charging’ scene can be removed, unless someone wants to rotoscope out Gleeson from this shot:

https://ibb.co/i2czHa
https://ibb.co/mTPPiF

NeverarGreat, do you think it’d be doable to remove those two shots from your firing sequence, or would the music need to begin at an awkward spot?

EDIT: At the VERY least, I can use this to let the musical cue plan on from the big planet explosion through Leia faltering. I love it as a mockup, but I’m leery of the reused shots, particularly the FO control room.

To be honest, I think you should axe the girl looking at towards the screen left. She almost looks concerned, like she is a spy or something. I think the scene would benefit from a colder operator shot.

Thanks for the uploads. Now I have to go find the other rearrange shots and play around with it.

Update: While we are sorting out the proposed SKB firing sequence, I’ve applied sound effects to the “R2 hard drive” scene, and gotten Leia’s faltering shot after Hosnian Prime is destroyed to sound great as I said a few posts ago.

So, what remains:

Opening crawl (Sir Ridley)
Maz’s Castle sequence (Sir Ridley)
Deleted scene: Leia and the Resistance (NeverarGreat)

And possibly:
[Kylo Ren’s mask during second Snoke scene, and Snoke suddently standing (Pie in the sky, most likely)]
[Proposed SKB firing sequence (NeverarGreat; I leerily like it)]

There’s also the deleted scene which needs to be done, which is rather essential for the whole Republic subplot.

I’ll see what I can do about getting some different footage for the firing sequence. As it is right now, everything barely holds together to allow for the entire cue, and it really feels off to truncate the music in the beginning like that.

Yes, absolutely! Updated that post to include that. 😃

Hal I was reading a few posts back and you were iffy on weather to keep kyle knowing Finns number. The numbers are stupid. Good cut. My 2 scents

marduk666 said:

Hal I was reading a few posts back and you were iffy on weather to keep kyle knowing Finns number. The numbers are stupid. Good cut. My 2 scents

I agree, but it’s outside the goals of the project. This isn’t necessarily “Beautiful Finished Product Fan Edit of First Disney Star Wars Movie,” but rather “Simple Concept Applied to Movie (Can Be Source For Your Beautiful Finished Product Fan Edit of First Disney Star Wars Movie If You Like)”.

It would be nerdtastic fun to do a live stream collaborative editing session with all of you. I’d love to watch how you all go about your fiddling on your NLE’s 😃

It’s a lot of listening to the same thing over and over, monkeying with volume levels, crossfade points and lengths, isolating channels, and then scrapping it because a simple uniform crossfade actually sounded better.

Hal 9000 said:

It’s a lot of listening to the same thing over and over, monkeying with volume levels, crossfade points and lengths, isolating channels, and then scrapping it because a simple uniform crossfade actually sounded better.

Ha ha!
I thought I was the only one

So…no luck so far on finding a replacement for the Starkiller control room shots.

This version of the firing (and basically all the versions so far) have the issue of pausing time to see the destruction of Hos, which isn’t very Star-Warsy. Another problem introduced in Restructured is the fact that Chewie apparently waits until after the Starkiller fires to detonate the charges, an out-of-character mistake and one that potentially led to the deaths of millions. In V1 in fact, we are never told that the Oscillator is still functional after the detonation, so it’s a reasonable assumption that Chewie is indirectly responsible for the destruction of the Hosnian system!

With that in mind, I tried to make a version where Chewie shoots Kylo and blows the charges before the weapon fires, but since it’s all set to the Starkiller cue, the beginning is too rushed. The end works well, since it cuts right from Leia’s reaction to Rey and Finn escaping the damaged Oscillator. The music is allowed to finish and blends the scenes nicely. Also good is cutting away from the wounded Kylo quite quickly in the Oscillator, so that it’s more unexpected when we see him menacing our heroes in the woods.

Essentially I have two versions of the firing sequence, one with a good beginning, the other with a good end, and both incompatible.

Blast.

Same here, but it would be fun to have a real time mad editing session

As to the Chewie and oscillator thing, didn’t they establish that the weapon will be crippled if the oscillator blows? You could have him blow it simultaneously. Have the weapon fire, Chewie blows it up and blasts the troops as they escape then have it follow the shot to Hosnian.

Indeed they did, but it doesn’t completely blow until Poe’s attack. Han and Chewie believe that the charges may cripple the weapon, otherwise they wouldn’t bother, so there’s an expectation that the charges could be the difference between the weapon firing and the weapon being unable to fire. The way it has been in the original movie and the edits is that Chewie fails to act immediately when Han dies. In the original this wasn’t a big deal since the weapon was 2 minutes from firing anyway, but here it matters. Unfortunately, placing Chewie’s attack before or simultaneous with the Starkiller firing ruins the feeling of despair at the plight of our heroes.

One way to mitigate this problem is to use the DominicCobb idea of having the weapon target the Resistance base directly after the Hosnian destruction. Then we understand that the only useful purpose of the charges was to allow the X-wings access to the Oscillator.

Hmmm, I honestly think that perhaps you’re thinking about it too much. Chewie owes a life debt to Han, blowing him up doesn’t help him in fulfilling that debt. Also, I don’t see him knowing how much time is left. I’m fine with him delaying. He was in Wookie Rage mode.

Very well. The delay would be retroactively justified with the Starkiller targeting the Resistance, implying that it’s fine to fire again. I guess the only problem remaining is the two control room shots.

Would the star draining sequence work with just a hard cut from the First Order salute to the sun being drained?

Wanted to throw in my thoughts.

I hope that you can find good replacement shots because I would love to see your version of the starkiller firing to be used Neverar. It is PERFECT. And I also think that Chewie is justified since he was in wookie rage mode.

Hal 9000 said:

Yeah… I don’t think those earlier FO control room shots from the ‘weapon charging’ scene can be removed, unless someone wants to rotoscope out Gleeson from this shot:

https://ibb.co/i2czHa
https://ibb.co/mTPPiF

As long as you crop out his face, the shot could work:
https://vimeo.com/221226748
Password: hux
It would probably work better if you just used the last five seconds.

Perhaps you could use the beginning of the Hux shot. (The ending has a nice graphic of the Sun being drained that’s more relevant to earlier.)

EDIT: NeverarGreat, would you mind sending the cropped shot? It’s not that I couldn’t do it myself, it’s just that… you already have. I may not have time to right away, but I will see if that longer shot would let me remove the two control room shots in order to save them for the SKB firing sequence. 😃

The problem with using the Hux shot during the firing sequence is that there’s clearly a star in the sky, so it would be really hard to fake it being underground like the the other shots.

Here’s the video:
https://mega.nz/#!jJtEVZzK!pNYvB7_9_XhAK9YxfGFlzKAr-NyxJj2vz155azm9Wn4

I had also grayed out Hux’s hair somewhat in the beginning of the shot to make it less obvious that it was him. However, it would probably be easier to remove that part of the shot anyway, starting it from when the camera starts to pan right.

ImperialFighter said:

NeverarGreat, Just throwing this out there - would REVERSING the 2 shots in this later sequence take the edge off the duplication? - so that your music would be the SAME in the background, except we’d see the female operater shot FIRST this time (‘reversed’ to turn towards her monitor in this instance), BEFORE we then see the male operator, just before the weapon fires.

I tried this reversal on the female operator shot, pulling audio of Hux saying ‘Fire’ to match the guy’s mouth movement. It works fairly well, but if you’re really paying attention the backwards footage is noticeable. I do like the ‘Fire’ dialogue change in any case.

That works flawlessly. Here’s the sequence at present, leaving no problem using the control rooms shots for the firing sequence:
https://vimeo.com/221300542
password: “wars”

Wonderful!