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The other clear influence, I believe, is high seas swashbuckling. As with other influences, it’s always been there in SW from the start, though I do believe in some ways it is more pronounced here.

I remember my first general impression of the score was that it sounds far more like classic pirate films than any of the other scores do, and I think that fits the tone of the film rather well.

The main character, Rey, is a scavenger, who salvages parts from beached shipwrecks. Finn definitely feels like a soldier who’s jumped ship and shacked up with pirates. Speaking of pirates - Han’s always been one, and that’s perhaps never been more true than in this film (where we see him board and capture his old ship, haul dangerous creatures from some far flung land for money, and end up with other pirates boarding his ship looking to collect on a number of debts). He later brings the crew to Takadonna, which yes is has castle, but 100% feels like a Tortuga type island refuge for pirates.

There political situation has parallels. There’s no one power that controls all of the galaxy (seas). I just watched The Sea Hawk recently and some of the similarities are striking. In it, the Spanish Empire has been taking over a great deal of land, with secret plans to eventually invade England (and take over the whole map). England and the Crown is “peaceful” with them, but the Sea Hawks (English privateers) have been attacking Spanish ships. The Queen is publicly dismissive of them, but covertly supports them. There’s even a section of the film that deals with finding a map!

Then there’s the end of the film. Rey finds Luke on an island, and indeed the whole planet feels very much like an island in uncharted waters. The trip to Ahch-to feels very much like a journey off to an unknown spot in the New World (even if the location is supposedly ancient).

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DominicCobb said:

The other clear influence, I believe, is high seas swashbuckling. As with other influences, it’s always been there in SW from the start, though I do believe in some ways it is more pronounced here.

I remember my first general impression of the score was that it sounds far more like classic pirate films than any of the other scores do, and I think that fits the tone of the film rather well.

The main character, Rey, is a scavenger, who salvages parts from beached shipwrecks. Finn definitely feels like a soldier who’s jumped ship and shacked up with pirates. Speaking of pirates - Han’s always been one, and that’s perhaps never been more true than in this film (where we see him board and capture his old ship, haul dangerous creatures from some far flung land for money, and end up with other pirates boarding his ship looking to collect on a number of debts). He later brings the crew to Takadonna, which yes is has castle, but 100% feels like a Tortuga type island refuge for pirates.

There political situation has parallels. There’s no one power that controls all of the galaxy (seas). I just watched The Sea Hawk recently and some of the similarities are striking. In it, the Spanish Empire has been taking over a great deal of land, with secret plans to eventually invade England (and take over the whole map). England and the Crown is “peaceful” with them, but the Sea Hawks (English privateers) have been attacking Spanish ships. The Queen is publicly dismissive of them, but covertly supports them. There’s even a section of the film that deals with finding a map!

Then there’s the end of the film. Rey finds Luke on an island, and indeed the whole planet feels very much like an island in uncharted waters. The trip to Ahch-to feels very much like a journey off to an unknown spot in the New World (even if the location is supposedly ancient).

Very good points! Perhaps they used the Sail Barge in ROTJ as a springboard into full on pirate references in TFA 😉

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MalàStrana said:

What do I hate about the EU ? Only 2 things: TFA and Rogue One… Wait, it’s not EU, it’s “real” movies ?!? Oh man…

Shitpost in my thread again and I’ll rub your nose in it and lock you out of the house.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

MalàStrana said:

What do I hate about the EU ? Only 2 things: TFA and Rogue One… Wait, it’s not EU, it’s “real” movies ?!? Oh man…

Shitpost in my thread again and I’ll rub your nose in it and lock you out of the house.

And suddenly, despite my complete indifference towards the EU, this is my favorite thread.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

NeverarGreat said:

I see images like that and wonder how they are in the same universe as that quaint 70’s movie. You know, the one featuring a farmboy, a down-on-his-luck hot rod driver and his giant doglike sidekick, and a sassy Mexican Revolution styled princess.

It’s almost as if it’s a realistic depiction of a galaxy, where things are different depending on the location or time.

LOL. There’s nothing “different” about how Legacy portrayed anything.

To be honest, I haven’t read the Legacy comics, but I don’t get the idea that everything in a fictional universe has to resemble everything else.

Not enough people read the EU.

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LuckyGungan2001 said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

NeverarGreat said:

I see images like that and wonder how they are in the same universe as that quaint 70’s movie. You know, the one featuring a farmboy, a down-on-his-luck hot rod driver and his giant doglike sidekick, and a sassy Mexican Revolution styled princess.

It’s almost as if it’s a realistic depiction of a galaxy, where things are different depending on the location or time.

LOL. There’s nothing “different” about how Legacy portrayed anything.

To be honest, I haven’t read the Legacy comics, but I don’t get the idea that everything in a fictional universe has to resemble everything else.

It should at least be in the same spirit.

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Ignoring the designs, Legacy always confuddled me. I mean, why go the route they did story wise by basically having another Jedi Purge, having the Sith come back, etc.

With the current sequel trilogy, the whole First Order and killing of the Jedi again at least kinda makes sense because you can see what Lucasfilm was going for with trying to find a way to tell the story of building the Jedi Order 30 years after ROTJ, so doing a soft reset to establish your villain, why Luke is gone, etc is understandable.

But with Legacy, they jump ahead like what, 150 years or something ahead of the timeline? Wouldn’t that be for the purpose of creating an original story line not hampered by the luggage of the OT and post-ROTJ EU? But they basically go for a retelling of a story we have already bascially seen not just in the films but in other media too like the Old Republic stuff.

There were some aspects about Legacy I did like, on paper at least since admittedly I never read the material. I thought Cade(?) Skywalker was an interesting deviation from Skywalkers in the past, though a bit cliche. I did find it interesting how the Empire was not really evil either, just another Galactic entity next to the One Sith and New Republic (I believe they were called Galactic Alliance at this point? ). I think some Game of Thrones style kingdom clashes would be an interesting premise, with varying dynasties and factions vying for control of the galaxy.

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DominicCobb said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

NeverarGreat said:

I see images like that and wonder how they are in the same universe as that quaint 70’s movie. You know, the one featuring a farmboy, a down-on-his-luck hot rod driver and his giant doglike sidekick, and a sassy Mexican Revolution styled princess.

It’s almost as if it’s a realistic depiction of a galaxy, where things are different depending on the location or time.

LOL. There’s nothing “different” about how Legacy portrayed anything.

To be honest, I haven’t read the Legacy comics, but I don’t get the idea that everything in a fictional universe has to resemble everything else.

It should at least be in the same spirit.

I still don’t really get that. I don’t hate Aliens because it’s a completely different spirit to Alien. Nor do I hate the Daniel Craig James Bond films because they don’t have the spirit of the classic Bond films.

Not enough people read the EU.

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A small grievance I have is that the EU took Yoda’s “When 900 Years Old You Reach…” and made it mean he was literally, exactly 900 years old in 4 BBY.

Not enough people read the EU.

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LuckyGungan2001 said:

A small grievance I have is that the EU took Yoda’s “When 900 Years Old You Reach…” and made it mean he was literally, exactly 900 years old in 4 BBY.

Lol.

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SilverWook said:

One Armed Wampa would be a cool name for a band. 😉

A Cool Name for a Band would be a cool name for a band (in the style of Average White Band).

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LuckyGungan2001 said:

A small grievance I have is that the EU took Yoda’s “When 900 Years Old You Reach…” and made it mean he was literally, exactly 900 years old in 4 BBY.

Agreed. I hate how Yoda was literally born in 896 BBY, the Sith went “extinct” in literally 1000 BBY, etc. I also hate the “thousand-year curse.” Naga Sadow in 5000 BBY, Exar Kun in 400 BBY, Darth Ruin in 2000 BBY, Darth Bane in 1000 BBY, etc.

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Of all the things to hate about the EU, I can’t believe people are hung up on Yoda’s age.

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Weird random childhood memory: I used to think it was Yoda’s birthday in ROTJ.

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TV’s Frink said:

Of all the things to hate about the EU, I can’t believe people are hung up on Yoda’s age.

To be fair, LuckyGungan did say it was a SMALL grievance of his.

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In a way it’s neat that all of the characters have a backstory, but I hate that their backstories are so terrible. Is it necessary for the Walrus Man to have been best friends with Grand Moff Tarkin’s brother-in-law?

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DuracellEnergizer said:

If ever I have misgivings of the EU’s de-canonization (which I don’t), all I need do is remind myself that this existed

and I’m happy again that the EUphiles’ favourite tin god was torn down and hammered into dust.

Seeing stuff like this makes me glad that I tend to ignore pretty much any EU story written after 1999.

(Also was the guy in the chair a popular character? I honestly have no idea who this “EUphiles’ favourite tin god” is.)

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DuracellEnergizer said:

This is one amazingly bad book cover:

I like how everyone has been photoshopped: Qui-Gon lost his saber, E1 Obi-Wan’s face on E2 Obi-Wan, Padmé’s head from another pic, Anakin in someone else’s robe and some woman on Obi-Wan’s body.

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