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My money is on Watto. 😉

Where were you in '77?

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Had bit of bad audio, I liked it a lot where the cast did not have their Star Wars hat on and some funny stories.new footage Clip was very interesting was actually quite shocked how it played. Really interesting.I think I am going to prefer this film to the force awakens. It really feels like the acting is sincere.

Tour around ILM was cool. Must be like working in a museum.

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I will be disappointed if Qui-Gon makes an appearance in this movie.

I don’t believe for a second that any potential appearance he’d make would ruin the film. But once, just for once, I want to watch a post-OT SW film and say to myself “It’s canon”. I want to see Rogue One and consider it “real” – as real to me as SW & TESB are real to me. Tossing Qui-Gon/Padme/any similar PT character in the mix will make that impossible.

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It depends how brief it would be. I don’t think there would be much to worry about Qui-gon being at the temple of the whills say in a flashback or something. It would broaden the Universe and make that association of the larger narrative.

The main point being where “Force Ghosts” originated from really. This strange mystical power that Qui-gon who was more or less operating as a bit of a maverick Jedi was perhaps one of the most progressive forward thinking Jedi.

The knock on effect really passes to Obi-wan and would give a tidbit of back story to Obi-wan’s actions when he fought Vader on the Death Star. It might ground Obi-wan’s actions much more but still serve as a surprise if you watched it for the first time after Rogue One.

I honestly think that is what they might be going for. Not trying to replace the main cast with these Cameos just bolster the narrative and grow the Universe.

When Qui gon said to Obi-wan “train the boy” which one was he talking about?

Neeson is also a very Solid actor, It would be yet another Good performer in the mix of an already solid cast.

That’s if the Rumor has any weight to it at all mind.

I am also starting to wonder how Chirrut goes blind or was he always blind?

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DuracellEnergizer said:

I will be disappointed if Qui-Gon makes an appearance in this movie.

I don’t believe for a second that any potential appearance he’d make would ruin the film. But once, just for once, I want to watch a post-OT SW film and say to myself “It’s canon”. I want to see Rogue One and consider it “real” – as real to me as SW & TESB are real to me. Tossing Qui-Gon/Padme/any similar PT character in the mix will make that impossible.

Yes.

Ronster said:

It depends how brief it would be. … It would broaden the Universe and make that association of the larger narrative.

Nah.

The main point being where “Force Ghosts” originated from really. This strange mystical power that Qui-gon who was more or less operating as a bit of a maverick Jedi was perhaps one of the most progressive forward thinking Jedi.

I’m not even slightly interested in “Where Force Ghosts Come From”. The OT told me all I need (or even want) to know about that. When Jedis die they can reappear as visions to the people they knew. Why is that a concept that needs further analysis?

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ROTJ opening edit idea

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Anchorhead said:

darthrush said:
Sometimes it’s ok for a female to be a badass. Some people obviously can’t get this through their heads. I don’t hear anyone complaining about what seems to be a scene of Donny Yen kicking serious ass with a stick.

They don’t feel their masculinity is threatened when it’s another man showing strength. The fans who are so bothered by Rey and Jyn have issues that exist outside of whenever they’re sitting in a movie theater.

It’s clear they’re feeling threatened at this point because they haven’t seen the film. They’re already trying to diminish her importance by using a derogatory term to describe her. It’s not just her specifically, it’s the idea of her.

I don’t have a problem with badass women (see: Fury Road, Alien, etc) but in those films the male costars didn’t look surprised at their badassery. If there’s any problem with this scene, its with the guy being surprised in a situation where anyone’s overriding desire should be survival. I’d personally be grateful that someone had my back. Granted, this is one scene in isolation, so perhaps she’s revealing a facet of her character that wasn’t apparent before and the surprise is warranted. I don’t know. I think Rey is a different issue, since she actually has aspects of her personality that defy even her expectations. In both cases, we are working with incomplete information, so I’m withholding judgement until all the movies are out.

TL;DR: Jyn is a BAMF, Cassian needs to get over himself.

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ray_afraid said:

When Jedis die they can reappear as visions to the people they knew. Why is that a concept that needs further analysis?

Because when Jedi’s die they don’t usually show up as ghosts otherwise there would be nothing special about it. It was Qui-gon first. Then Obi-wan and then Yoda. and then Anakin.

No other Jedi was able to achieve becoming a force ghost. But it had to do with the special teachings of Qui-gon which he had learned and passed on his knowledge. Otherwise there would be millions of Force ghost Jedi floating about.

It has nothing to do with being a Jedi.

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Ronster said:

ray_afraid said:

When Jedis die they can reappear as visions to the people they knew. Why is that a concept that needs further analysis?

Because when Jedi’s die they don’t usually show up as ghosts otherwise there would be nothing special about it. It was Qui-gon first. Then Obi-wan and then Yoda. and then Anakin.

No other Jedi was able to achieve becoming a force ghost. But it had to do with the special teachings of Qui-gon which he had learned and passed on his knowledge. Otherwise there would be millions of Force ghost Jedi floating about.

It has nothing to do with being a Jedi.

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I know this is a tangent from a tangent, but why is it that Obi-wan and Yoda dissipated as they died? I know the official explanation is that they are now in the ‘netherworld of the Force’ and can only appear as ghosts to those they knew, but that netherworld doesn’t require their physical bodies to allow them to project ghost bodies, otherwise Anakin wouldn’t have been able to do it in ROTJ.

Conspiracy theory: Neither Obi-wan nor Yoda is actually dead, instead they teleported via the Force to another location in the galaxy and only appear occasionally in ghost form to other people. It makes some sense, since Luke assumes that Yoda is too strong in the Force to actually die, and Yoda seems to imply that it is possible. If it is the Force that prolongs life, Obi-wan could still technically be alive - it even looks like he aged a bit in ghost form, a highly suspicious activity for a ghost.

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The real truth is that George killed Obi-wan as a plot device rather than keep him alive as he had nothing to do in the third act of Star Wars.

But he managed to put Obi-wan in the cockpit with Luke so it was not a bad decision really. As the Saga progressed it got more messy.

But it created a nice mythology. Sorry about that…

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The Force ghost part of star wars has and always whills be a subject of much debate.

I always felt Yoda and Obi-wan were handled well as in their deaths and their ascension. But I never felt the same way about Vader / Anakin

In that much Ray afraid is right the more you try to apply some form of explanation to “Force Ghosts” the less mystical it is.

We don’t and should not have an explanation of how or why only the thread of where it came from, and why only certain Jedi could attain that special ability.

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Ronster said:

The real truth is that George killed Obi-wan as a plot device rather than keep him alive as he had nothing to do in the third act of Star Wars.

But he managed to put Obi-wan in the cockpit with Luke so it was not a bad decision really. As the Saga progressed it got more messy.

But it created a nice mythology. Sorry about that…

That begs an interesting question, did they shoot Luke’s scenes in the X-Wing before or after they made the decision to kill off Obi Wan? Could they have shot any scenes with Ben post Death Star?

Where were you in '77?

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SilverWook said:

Ronster said:

The real truth is that George killed Obi-wan as a plot device rather than keep him alive as he had nothing to do in the third act of Star Wars.

But he managed to put Obi-wan in the cockpit with Luke so it was not a bad decision really. As the Saga progressed it got more messy.

But it created a nice mythology. Sorry about that…

That begs an interesting question, did they shoot Luke’s scenes in the X-Wing before or after they made the decision to kill off Obi Wan? Could they have shot any scenes with Ben post Death Star?

Well Wedge was played by a different actor and then Wedge became Dennis Lawson so it’s possible Ben was milling about on Yavin IV at one point?

It obviously got quite a radically restructured ending.

I wonder if Ben Greeted Gold Leader as they would have known each other because Ben knew Luke’s father and so did Gold Leader.

Nobody for an instant morns the Loss of Obi-wan Kenobi either so I’d say yeah he had scenes on Yavin.

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Having read Catalyst, I’m pretty sure the Force sensitive character is Lyra Erso in the opening flashback. As far as TPM characters go, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Panaka as a Moff or officer or something.

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joefavs said:

Having read Catalyst, I’m pretty sure the Force sensitive character is Lyra Erso in the opening flashback. As far as TPM characters go, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Panaka as a Moff or officer or something.

Joefavs does Catalyst explain where the Erso’s run off in hiding to before Rogue one starts? Does it name the planet they go to?

Because Felicty Jones could not talk about her favorite planet in a recent interview and also in the article from making star wars site. It is called planet X and there is also mention of planet x aliens which the article assumes or explains to be the death troopers.

Not to mention that highly suspicious map we were served from Entertainment Weekly. And also a suspicious name given.

Jyn Erso Featurette

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCnWueE2RL0