littlev87

You have an incredible ear for the OT. Excellent!

Hal 9000 said:
And I’m not really feeling the super short ‘Anakin in the Temple’ scene; it’s seems just too short to feel legitimate. But, I will try to work on the music and make my best attempt before giving up on it.

I actually really like this, I think you should keep it.

Sir Ridley said:

Hal 9000 said:

Here’s a test of the idea for showing a closeup of Anakin looking over the slaughter in the Temple. Please take a careful listen to the audio if you can, and let me know what you think.

https://vimeo.com/335957079
password: fanedit

I think the music should build to and then “land” on the shot of his face, to musically tie the shot of the temple together with the shot of Anakin, rather than starting a new chord at the close up that continues to the next shot. I imagine a dark ending chord, perhaps with a short swell just before the cut to Padmé where the music stops and shifts to something else.

And perhaps the shot of Anakin could be reversed so that he tilts his head up rather than down. I think that might look better considering that the shot before pans up, and that body language might also feel more like a “reaction” after looking at something rather than starting to look at something.

+1

DZ-330 said:

I think the shots should be flipped for dramatic effect if possible.

Yoda
Padme
Troopers
Anakin

It builds up the line from C3P0 telling Padme that Anakin came back to the temple. We think maybe he might have a change of heart only to be reminded of his darkness.

JEDIT: I can’t remember if LOE has the shot of Anakin marching up to the temple.

+1

EyeShotFirst said:

I just wonder what can be done about the tinny quality of the dialogue. I feel that ages the film the most in comparison with the others. In Empire and Jedi, you can feel Vader’s voice in the room, but in Star Wars it’s not so much. Ady did some good work on his voice if I remember, but everyone else still sounded like they were speaking into a can.

EQ might help a bit, but I don’t know if that would remove the tinny. Some might be tempted to add reverb, but instead of putting the toothpaste back in the tube, that’s just squeezing out more toothpaste.

I think it is the difference between on set audio versus ADR. Or it could just be changes in technology. Even though the on set audio does sound tinny, I always felt it made everything feel/ sound more realistic. There was an editor on this site, I think it was snooker, adding more of the “room noise” to the prequels.

Would it be possible to roto rey from the scenes where she fixes bb8’s antenna and put r2 in the shot? I think You’d only need a half second shot to convey the idea.

Now that you mention it, I remember that bothering me as well. Would it be possible to re-edit that scene to imply the bugs getting in another way? Because honestly, in either scenario the whole droid/ window interaction is weird. Why have a “shield” on your window if a droid can open it with no resistance?

Yeah, Snooker is your man for this stuff. His clips are fantastic. Really looking forward to this edit already. Great clip, obviously its early but I would definitely consider getting a different voice for Anakin. Also, I think it was Snooker that did a clip that exchanged the poison centipedes for blaster bolts, I would consider using that change. I like that the centipedes are unusual and kinda random like most things in star wars, but in the context of this assassination they don’t really make sense.

edit: I didn’t realize you we also one of the people advising sheepish on his TPM edit, he’d be a great addition to this project as well. Your videos you did for him were really good too.

Wow, seamless. Really excellent execution. I may have missed this information earlier in the thread, but what is your reasoning for adding finn to the vision?

I think you should consider using transitions similar to this video for your dream sequences.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Destruction-of-the-Jedi-Temple/id/63925/page/1#1270201

They really give a similar feeling to the “force back” when she first touches the saber.

password: fanedit

Very awesome work. But I have a few suggestions.

I am under the impression Kylo is projecting the images meant to intimidate Poe into his head? If that’s the case I get why you used those sequences but I think you’re missing out on an opportunity to highlight some character sub text.

It makes more sense to me, for Kylo to attempt to intimidate Poe with imagery that focuses on only his power instead of the First Order’s. Kylo has little man syndrome and is insecure and emotionally immature. He feels he needs to remind everyone how tough and evil he is as a way to reassure himself.

The result of changing this sequence helps to highlight the specificity of Poe’s response. He responds with, “the Resistance will not be intimidated by you.” It reinforces the differences of the two characters’ ideals. Poe thinks outwardly, he is not an individual, he and the Resistance are one, bound by a common goal of peace in the galaxy. In contrast, Kylo is inward thinking, only concerned with his own interests, using the First Order as merely a means to an end. I believe Poe can sense Kylo’s isolation, insecurity, and desperation and is praying on in an attempt to fight back in the only way he can in that moment.

Other suggestions

Is there any way to make the shot of her scratching the line into the wall look like she is drawing a very small figure of a person? Then the wide shot reveals the whole drawing. A rudimentary version of Luke standing on top of the island.

Use some imagery from from the “dark side” part of the island from TLJ. For example the hole into the cave, or the silhouettes she sees the mirror in the cave, just before they merge together and turn into her reflection.

*I hope this all makes sense it took me forever to word it correctly.

Sir Ridley said:

littlev87 said:

Sir Ridley said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I don’t think it was a question of “who trains him” so much as it was a question of “do we have him trained or not.”

I feel like she puts emphasis on Luke, they probably thought that Luke had the best chance of turning him away from the dark side. I don’t think training in itself would do that. I don’t know. I’m not sure if it matters though. I think the information in that line (whatever it implies) isn’t needed. And there being “Vader” in him is obvious anyway, Kylo is enough of a Vader Junior without it being spelled out.

I think the line about Luke is implying it was their only hope to control his power and stop him from turning to the dark.

The Vader line, at least in how I was using it in my dialog rearrangement, was a way for Han to express that it was a useless gesture to have Ben train with Luke, and that there is no saving him from this point forward.

Ah, yeah I see. I don’t think it should seem like Han has completely given up on Ben though.

I think Han giving up on ben and then later trying to redeem him when he sees him on SK base gives Han a more complex character arc than what he currently has.

Sir Ridley said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I don’t think it was a question of “who trains him” so much as it was a question of “do we have him trained or not.”

I feel like she puts emphasis on Luke, they probably thought that Luke had the best chance of turning him away from the dark side. I don’t think training in itself would do that. I don’t know. I’m not sure if it matters though. I think the information in that line (whatever it implies) isn’t needed. And there being “Vader” in him is obvious anyway, Kylo is enough of a Vader Junior without it being spelled out.

I think the line about Luke is implying it was their only hope to control his power and stop him from turning to the dark.

The Vader line, at least in how I was using it in my dialog rearrangement, was a way for Han to express that it was a useless gesture to have Ben train with Luke, and that there is no saving him from this point forward.

Sir Ridley said:

littlev87 said:

Sir Ridley said:

Not sure how much I will change the Han/Leia scenes, but it’s possible that I will trim them a bit. I will consider keeping the “grandfather” line, but at this point I’m leaning toward removing it.

Would it be possible to reorder some of Han and Leia’s dialog similar to the “ben’s hut” scene in ANH, to make the blatant expositional dialog more compelling?

I haven’t really given it much thought, but here’s a version of the “Snoke talk” that would be doable and less expositional:

Han: Listen to me, will you? I know every time you… Every time you look at me you’re reminded of him.
Leia: You think I want to forget him? I want him back!
Han: There’s nothing more we could’ve done.
Leia: I just never should’ve sent him away. That’s when I lost him. That’s when I lost you both.
Han: We both had to deal with it in our own way. I went back to the only thing I was ever good at.
Leia: We both did.
Han: We lost our son.
Leia: No. There is still light in him, I know it. We can still save him. Me. You.
Han: If Luke couldn’t reach him, how could I?
Leia: Luke is a Jedi. You’re his father.

How’s that?

Han: Listen to me, will you? I know every time you… Every time you look at me you’re reminded of him.
Leia: You think I want to forget him?
Han: There’s too much vader in him.
Leia: I just never should’ve sent him away. That’s when I lost him. That’s when I lost you both.
Han: I went back to the only thing I was ever good at.
Leia: We both did.
Leia: There is still light in him, I know it. We can still save him. Me. You.
Han: If Luke couldn’t reach him, how could I?
Leia: Luke is a Jedi. You’re his father.

or

Han: Listen to me, will you? We both had to deal with it in our own way. I went back to the only thing I was ever good at.
Leia: We both did.
Han: I know every time you… Every time you look at me you’re reminded of him.
Leia: You think I want to forget him?
Han: There’s too much vader in him.
Leia: That’s why I wanted him to train with Luke.
Han: There’s nothing more we could’ve done.
Leia: I just never should’ve sent him away. That’s when I lost him. That’s when I lost you both.
HAN REACTION FROM BEFORE THE LINE “WE LOST OUR SON FOREVER” (He kinda has a slight smirk)
Leia: There is still light in him, I know it. We can still save him. Me. You.
Han: If Luke couldn’t reach him, how could I?
Leia: Luke is a Jedi. You’re his father.

Honestly, not sure if any of this is possible with the background music and would probably make for some odd cuts or camera angles. I need to look over it more throughly. I was trying to keep the conversation more ambiguous and also make Han come off a bit more pessimistic. Trying to highlight how different they’ve become and why they are still separated.

Really trying to create exposition using the character reactions to one another and not by just laying out all the details beat by beat like the original cut.

Sir Ridley said:

Not sure how much I will change the Han/Leia scenes, but it’s possible that I will trim them a bit. I will consider keeping the “grandfather” line, but at this point I’m leaning toward removing it.

Would it be possible to reorder some of Han and Leia’s dialog similar to the “ben’s hut” scene in ANH, to make the blatant expositional dialog more compelling?

NeverarGreat said:

littlev87 said:

NeverarGreat said:

littlev87 said:

This whole tracking ships thing is kinda ambiguous since day one of star wars. Doesn’t Leia suggest in ep4 after escaping the death star that they are being tracked, that is why they escaped so easily? Doesn’t boba fett track the falcon to cloud city after drifting off with the garbage? Also, doesn’t obi wan track jango in ep2 from kamino to geonosis? I can’t remember all the details off the top of my head but in all instances I think lightspeed was used. So whats the deal?

None of these examples are ambiguous.

In Ep 4, Tarkin says ‘You’re sure the homing beacon is secure aboard their ship?’, clearly indicating that it was a device which they installed.

In Ep 5, Boba Fett was able to track the Falcon using line of sight and sensors since the Falcon couldn’t enter Hyperspace.

In Ep 2, Obi-wan throws a homing beacon onto Jango’s ship.

In all of these examples, it’s clear that for hyperspace tracking a physical device is necessary.

Why couldn’t the first order just shoot a tracking device at the resistance ships similar to the one obi wan throws at jango’s ship? The first order fighters are able to pass through the shields of the resistance ships.

That would have made much more sense, actually.

Yeah kinda my point, I should have probably just said it in the first post.

Hal, you mention in your commentary that you found Finn’s character arch to be disappointing, specifically referring to the “taken from birth and programmed” part of his history, and that he doesn’t seem to fit that description in any way. I am in the process of watching your latest version of the edit, and it seems it would be possible to edit out those specific facts about the first order storm troopers. It would make his character much more realistic if he wasn’t taken from birth. It could be reasoned that he only partook in the first order out of fear. Just a thought.

edit post viewing:

I also want to say this edit is absolutely unreal. Honestly, in my opinion the best ep7 edit. One other question can anything be done about the music during the falcon tie chase on jakku? Ep5 asteroid chase theme is all I can think about watching that scene.

thanks for making this excellent edit.

NeverarGreat said:

littlev87 said:

This whole tracking ships thing is kinda ambiguous since day one of star wars. Doesn’t Leia suggest in ep4 after escaping the death star that they are being tracked, that is why they escaped so easily? Doesn’t boba fett track the falcon to cloud city after drifting off with the garbage? Also, doesn’t obi wan track jango in ep2 from kamino to geonosis? I can’t remember all the details off the top of my head but in all instances I think lightspeed was used. So whats the deal?

None of these examples are ambiguous.

In Ep 4, Tarkin says ‘You’re sure the homing beacon is secure aboard their ship?’, clearly indicating that it was a device which they installed.

In Ep 5, Boba Fett was able to track the Falcon using line of sight and sensors since the Falcon couldn’t enter Hyperspace.

In Ep 2, Obi-wan throws a homing beacon onto Jango’s ship.

In all of these examples, it’s clear that for hyperspace tracking a physical device is necessary.

Why couldn’t the first order just shoot a tracking device at the resistance ships similar to the one obi wan throws at jango’s ship? The first order fighters are able to pass through the shields of the resistance ships.

This whole tracking ships thing is kinda ambiguous since day one of star wars. Doesn’t Leia suggest in ep4 after escaping the death star that they are being tracked, that is why they escaped so easily? Doesn’t boba fett track the falcon to cloud city after drifting off with the garbage? Also, doesn’t obi wan track jango in ep2 from kamino to geonosis? I can’t remember all the details off the top of my head but in all instances I think lightspeed was used. So whats the deal?

Dr. Krogshöj said:

I have no problem with Leia using the Force to get back to the ship. It doesn’t require mastery of the Force, just a little nudge really, since moving in vacuum and zero-g doesn’t take a lot of force. Probably less Force is required than for pulling out a lightsaber from the snow for an untrained Luke. And being near death is the perfect occassion to manifest every last bit of your abilities - that’s true for every human.

Also, it is possible to survive in vacuum for a minute or so. See here: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/survival-in-space-unprotected-possible/. Therefore this scene didn’t bother me at all upon my first viewing, and trust me, there were quite a few scenes that did.

Maybe the scene can be moved to immediately after the explosion to imply that she spends very little time in vacuum and cut out the bit where she is unconcious?

This is how I felt when I saw the scene the first time. I’ve never understood the outrage over this scene. Not to mention we’ve all known Leia had the same power as Luke, she just hadn’t been trained to use it. It seems to me that you don’t have to be trained in using the force to use it. Look at Anakin as a kid, he most definitely used the force pod racing.

I see a lot of people think the scene looks awkward, but I’m not sure how else it should look when a person uses the force to fly through space. Imagine she doesn’t have the force but is holding a powerful magnet, it would look exactly the same way, minus the changes in speed of her flight.

Also, it’s a pretty common trope in movies and tv shows that when a character has a special power that hasn’t been tapped yet, it is generally awakened when that character or a friend or family member to that character is in mortal danger.

snooker said:

RogueLeader said:

snooker said:

In an effort to give Phantom Menace a more down-to-earth, cheery vibe:

https://vimeo.com/309797013

A lot of edits cut out this scene, which is a great shame. It’s one of the few times characters genuinely smile.

Also, did you do something with audio? Like, add room tone and foley? If you did, I really like it.

Yup. The roomtone really brings the feeling of the movie back to 1977. The movies aren’t shot too differently either (even though Gilbert Taylor was miles better than David Tattersall)

I actually sourced the grain from the 35mm prequel trailers lol. I’ll try it in black though, just to see what it’s like.

Really love what you did to the audio, feels much more grounded. I suggest bringing the room tone down just a bit. Currently it almost feels like watching a deleted scene.

Are you going to edit out the couple times Kenny Baker’s legs are visible? I’ve noticed that hasn’t been mentioned often in cut lists or edits. Didn’t see it on this projects list. Thanks

thebluefrog said:

Here’s an experiment of Kylo training with Snoke:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWayIOy4UQU (not mine).

woah!? that’s pretty amazing!

Since the prequels were shot in digital 1080p, I believe, if you zoom in on a 35mm print of 1080p digital do you still see the pixels? I guess what I am getting at is, would it be better to make a 4k version of ROTS from upscaling the blu ray or from a print?

Thanks

I think the light shinning through the windows would be a lot more orange. But otherwise love the mockups.

DuracellEnergizer said:

I feel the shots of Vader and Palpatine could’ve been distorted more, obscuring their features and making them more mysterious. Otherwise, it’s a fine addition.

And I quite like what you did with the Anakin/Padme scene. Sublime.

This was my thoughts exactly. For example, just show the outline of vaders helmet, or just the sith eyes of the emperor glowing inside a dark cloak. Also consider adding the sounds of anakin being operating on at the end of ROTS.

Also is there anyway to extend the last shot of anakin when he reacts to padme saying she’ll go? Like could the last few frames be slowed down or something to make a less abrupt transition to the next scene?

Otherwise great work so far.

EDIT: also consider changing darth line to “together we can rule the galaxy” and then have it just trail off as nonsensical noise. This would be a good tie in with his statement to padme in ROTS about overthrowing the chancellor and ruling the galaxy, make things they way they want them.

EDIT 2: also can you take out anakin calling padme senator? Ugh bothers me every time.