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#1142218
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What is the best ROTJ Fanedit so far in your opinion?
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darthrush said:

Collipso said:

Valheru_84 said:

Collipso said:

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered/id/48662 My personal go-to.

Seems like a pretty good edit if I were to choose one. Still not even certain on Ady’s at this stage though seeing it is going to be more of a fan edit than a fan fix like ANH:R and TESB:R were.

Sure ROTJ doesn’t measure up to the other two movies but I never really had any issues with it to the extent I’d rather watch a fan edit over the original theatrical.

.Val

Yeah, this fanedit that I linked is basically RotJ anti-cheese, and how much that improves the movie is almost ridiculous.

Look for more cheese cut and a restructured third act in my new alternate version of this. It will be uploaded in about a week. This last week of school before winter break has been back breaking so can’t find the time to upload.

That’s really great Darthrush, looking forward to see your fanedit. 😃 I just ask (if it is possible) to use torrent to distribute the file, it is easier to people (like me) with bad internet connection.

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#1141188
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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ray_afraid said:

Other than maybe pushing the door button with the force, I don’t see what Luke is neglecting to do in the rancor scene.
Is he supposed to fry it with lightning? Choke it to death? Bring the roof down on it? I think it’s easy to believe Luke was doing everything he could and just isn’t powerful enough to do any of those things.

No, it is only that he can do in my opinion (use the force to push the button).

People here seems to think Jedis are gods, that can kill hundreds of people with a single gesture. It is not like that at all, and even if it was, Luke certainly couldn’t do it. He didn’t finish his training and He doesn’t even have a lightsaber ! What would he do if Bobba Fett and all the guards start to shooting him? Wave his hand to deflect all the shooting? Come on! It´s a single man unarmed ! And Jabba faced Jedis before, he knows what they can do. No single Jedi (and without a lightsaber I might add! ) would be able to beat all the guards in Jabba’s palace. And Jabba knows it, so why would he be afraid of Luke? So there’s no need to Luke to hide his powers. As a matter of fact, I think he did everything that he could there.

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#1141173
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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Anjohan said:

TV’s Frink said:

Alright I guess I misread your post, I thought you were saying he actually could do any of those things if he wanted to, he just didn’t want to.

Yeah, no worries. I think I just started the post with the wrong idea before moving to the point.

Either way… I don’t understand Why people here are trying so hard to create story problems or faults where there are none. Luke using a few Jedi powers vaguely, and more importantly not creating any chaos inside Jabba’s Palace but rather a little tension, is perfectly understandble and fits his plan perfectly. He seems overconfident - and probably is, but it suits his needs. It keeps his friends safe, and it gives him an opportunity of surprise later on. The Rancor he didn’t expect, but he keeps his cool - killing it with logic and patience rather than anything that would pose him too great a threat to keep alive or nearby.

Well, I on the Other hand can’t understand why people try so hard to come up with explanations only to avoid mistakes from being corrected. Of course I would prefer not to change anything, but some things really need fixing. Otherside There would be no need for a ROTJ:R, Adywan would Just do some color correction ANS that’s It. I used to think ESB needed no fix at ALL, but all the changes Adywan did made the movie better (the emperor hologram is the best to me). So I am not afraid of changes (anymore).

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#1141111
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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doubleofive said:

It’s possible he’s freaking out and forgets he has the Force in his encounter with the Rancor. I know canon says Rancors are not native to Tatooine, but I used to imagine he’s facing his greatest fear, the monster he used to hear echoing across the desert. Now he’s trapped in a room with it, and for a moment forgets everything he’s learned.

However, I feel that it would be worthwhile for this edit to attempt to make Luke throw the skull or hit the button with the Force.

If we assume that he freaked out and forgot he has Jedi powers this only makes stronger what Yoda said in ESB (he’s not ready). And I believe what you said is correct, Luke doesn’t act like a fully trained Jedi sometimes. I hope something can be done to improve his behaviour as a Jedi.

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#1141080
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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Mark’s Down On Your Syntax said:

Good point, Val. To reinforce that you could also say that Luke was planing to use the Force until the mind trick didn’t work on Jabba. By trying and apparently failing he would’ve appeared to be weaker. Using his abilities in view of everybody to kill the Rancor would’ve lost him that advantage. He was deliberately playing down how powerful he was until the Sarlaac and Jabba was mocking him for being a Jedi right up to that point.

If I remember correctly, in the movie he advises Jabba to not underestimate his powers. I don’t see him playing down at all.

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#1141077
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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Valheru_84 said:

One point of view people may be missing about the Rancor pit scene…Luke was visibile to Jabba and many of his associates and underlings most of the time in the pit, even when at the gated entrance. He probably didn’t want to use the force unless absolutely necessary otherwise it would give his “hand” away to Jabba who would then take precautions against these witnessed abilities and likely foil Luke’s plan.

Pretty much the only time he is properly out of sight is when he’s under the rock overhang (rear gated entrance still closed at this point) and you might say he used the force then to smash the Rancor’s hand with the rock as I don’t think a normal person doing the same would even cause the Rancor to flinch, let alone rear back and roar in utter pain.

He does use the force earlier to choke the initial two palace guards but no one else is nearby to witness this to understand how they died.

.Val

I’m sorry but that ship (people knowing he’s a Jedi) sailed long ago. Not only he force choke the guards, but he presents himself as a Jedi, he tries to use the jedi mind trick on Jabba (after using it on Bib, and Jabba pushes him saying something like: “your fool, this is an old jedi trick” and tells Luke that it won’t work with him), and finally he uses the force to grab a gun and try to shoot Jabba.

I don’t see why after all this he would risk his life by hiding his jedi powers. It doesn’t make any sense to me.

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#1140463
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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Just a comment, when it was announced that GL would be releasing a special edition of SW, I thought that enhancing Obi-wan x Darth Vader duel by adding new scenes would be doable, since anyone can play Darth Vader and Obiwan fought with his hood all the time.

I couldn’t be more wrong about GL’s intentions with the Special Editions, of course.

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#1140462
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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littlev87 said:

iamweasel said:

I see some discussion about the use or not of the deleted scenes. In the case of Luke building his lightsaber, I think it can be used (IF Adywan is interested, of course). Luke’s face doesn’t appear in the scene, so it is possible to rotoscope his face and upscale it to HD (720p) using a new background (again, if someone is interested in a new background). His hands building the lightsaber can be replaced by any other hands.

Personally, I wouldn’t mind if it is just the entire scene upscaled / cleaned and inserted in the movie. This is a fanedit, if George Lucas with all his money didn’t care for doing the best job in the world, why a fanedit must keep such high standards? I for sure won’t complain if a upscaled version of a deleted scene appears in a fanedit.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

Why not just film a brand new scene, all that is needed is a prop light saber?

That works even better, since we don’t see Luke’s face, you can use a stuntman in the same way as ESB:R.

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#1140430
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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I see some discussion about the use or not of the deleted scenes. In the case of Luke building his lightsaber, I think it can be used (IF Adywan is interested, of course). Luke’s face doesn’t appear in the scene, so it is possible to rotoscope his face and upscale it to HD (720p) using a new background (again, if someone is interested in a new background). His hands building the lightsaber can be replaced by any other hands.

Personally, I wouldn’t mind if it is just the entire scene upscaled / cleaned and inserted in the movie. This is a fanedit, if George Lucas with all his money didn’t care for doing the best job in the world, why a fanedit must keep such high standards? I for sure won’t complain if a upscaled version of a deleted scene appears in a fanedit.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

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#1139833
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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Another thing that doesn’t feel right to me (sorry if it was discussed before) is how Luke fights with the Rancor. He doesn’t look like a Jedi, he doesn’t use the force in any moment. And his victory in the end looks like plain (too much) lucky. I mean, he was lucky to have a rock near his feet when there was no time to find one, and them he throws the rock and he is lucky (again) to not only hit the button but doing it strong enough to activate it. All this would be ok if it was Luke from the ANH that was fighting, but it was a Jedi that was there. For someone who was really lucky to get out alive he seems too arrogant when he says to Jabba that he is making a bad mistake by not negotiating with him.

Although I don’t see much how to improve the fighing, at least the end could be more in a jedi way. Luke shouldn’t throw a rock, all he would do is raise his hand (maybe a new shot with only his hand), use the force and the button is pushed. At least it would be more of a Jedi way of finishing the fight.

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#1139828
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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I don’t know if this was addressed before, but if it isn’t, it should be an easy fix (assuming Adywan feels it should be fixed). It always bugged me that when Luke finally decides to attack the emperor, he moves his hand and uses the force to retrieve his saber, but everything happens so slowly that Vader could go to the bathroom and comeback in time to prevent Luke’s blade to touch the emperor. If the idea was to make a fast attack, it was a big failure.

I feel that the right way to do it would be the saber to start moving by the same time Luke starts to move his arm to get it, so by the time his arm reaches its final position the saber would arrives at the same time. With other editing it could be a much faster attack.

Just curious, anyone else thought about this before?

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#1103989
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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Jani-wan said:

iamweasel said:

Jani-wan said:

iamweasel said:
I was hoping for a Phantom Manace revisited too. That movie could be turned into a good movie too, with some adjustments. (by removing Jar-jar, and fixing Threepio mostly)
But this discussion is for another thread I guess. (I have no idea which one though)

If by “some adjustments” you mean remaking the entire movie, than it might become a good movie. I can see why Adywan decided to drop dead the idea. There are so many things that need to be done to make it a good movie that would require lots of money and time.

I do not trust Disney anymore. First they made a terribly bad, than a mediocre movie, so they are 0 for 2
right now. Im afraid a cool Disney Star Wars movie is unrealistic expectation at this point.

Although TFA has (from my point of view) flaws, it is IMHO better than any prequel movie. And I liked Rogue One. But I must admit that, after ESB the quality of Star Wars movies got worse and worse each new movie was made. So I may be considering Rogue One a good movie because I saw a lot of crap Star Wars movies after ESB.

I think this discussion should be moved to another thread.
I don’t want to highjack this thread.
I could not find a Phantom Menace thread, so if you could provide the link, I would explain what I was thinkin in more details.

I don’t have a link here, but I wouldn’t want to talk about Phantom Menace anyway. I already lost too much time of my life with that horrible movie. I don’t want to spend even more.

Let’s talk about ROTJ:R.

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#1103938
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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Jani-wan said:

iamweasel said:
I was hoping for a Phantom Manace revisited too. That movie could be turned into a good movie too, with some adjustments. (by removing Jar-jar, and fixing Threepio mostly)
But this discussion is for another thread I guess. (I have no idea which one though)

If by “some adjustments” you mean remaking the entire movie, than it might become a good movie. I can see why Adywan decided to drop dead the idea. There are so many things that need to be done to make it a good movie that would require lots of money and time.

I do not trust Disney anymore. First they made a terribly bad, than a mediocre movie, so they are 0 for 2
right now. Im afraid a cool Disney Star Wars movie is unrealistic expectation at this point.

Although TFA has (from my point of view) flaws, it is IMHO better than any prequel movie. And I liked Rogue One. But I must admit that, after ESB the quality of Star Wars movies got worse and worse each new movie was made. So I may be considering Rogue One a good movie because I saw a lot of crap Star Wars movies after ESB.

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#1103918
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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Bingowings said:

It’s a real shame about PT:R. These were the revisited projects I was most looking forward to. They are even more broken than Jedi. Hopefully someone else will take up the mantle. There is good them, I have felt it 😊 even if Rouge One was part3 of a PT:R. So much technical talent and genuine affection from people who worked on those Star Wars misshapes. It’s a shame if they stayed as they are.

Well, if we are lucky, Disney will do a cool Darth Vader movie where we can see him chasing the remaining Jedis across the galaxy. If they do a cool movie, you can consider Rogue One as Episode 3, this Darth Vader movie as episode 2 and someone can try to edit ROTS (with maybe some (few) scenes from the episode 1 or 2) to be the first episode, removing most of it flaws. This way we can have a prequel that doesn’t contradict anything that was said in the OT.

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#1103916
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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SilverWook said:

iamweasel said:

I’m glad you decided to drop the prequels. Those movies can’t be fixed. At least not to what we wanted / expected them to be.

My 2 suggestions to ROTJ-R:

  1. When Vader grabs the emperor, make some of the lighting coming from the emperor reaches Vader (if possible with some sparks from Vader’s device in his chest, to suggest it was broken by the lighting). This way it gets more clearer Vader’s sacrifice and why he died (saving Luke cost him his life support). The way it is now in the movie it seems like he “lost his will to live” 😉

  2. I think Luke should have gone back to Yoda to finish his training after ESB:R. Between the ESB and ROTJ Luke finished his training. While that was happening, the empire chased the rebels and when ROTJ begins, they are in really bad position, with the empire close to a final victory. That will increase the drama in ROTJ. A new crawl can set this to the audience.

Vader lighting up internally like a Christmas tree, the scorched smoking armor, and the “iron lung” clearly sounding like it’s damaged doesn’t sell it enough for you?

I may be mistaken, but IIRC you can’t see any lighting reaching Vader coming from the emperor, so I must assume he were using cheap chinese eletronic that broke for no reason.

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#1103913
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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I’m glad you decided to drop the prequels. Those movies can’t be fixed. At least not to what we wanted / expected them to be.

My 2 suggestions to ROTJ-R:

  1. When Vader grabs the emperor, make some of the lighting coming from the emperor reaches Vader (if possible with some sparks from Vader’s device in his chest, to suggest it was broken by the lighting). This way it gets more clearer Vader’s sacrifice and why he died (saving Luke cost him his life support). The way it is now in the movie it seems like he “lost his will to live” 😉

  2. I think Luke should have gone back to Yoda to finish his training after ESB:R. Between the ESB and ROTJ Luke finished his training. While that was happening, the empire chased the rebels and when ROTJ begins, they are in really bad position, with the empire close to a final victory. That will increase the drama in ROTJ. A new crawl can set this to the audience.

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#1100957
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The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread
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n00bman said:

Jani-wan said:

JediBendu said:
There are a lot of continuity errors with the prequels
Episodes 4, 5, & 6 have many direct quotes of exposition that reveal details and provide clues about the events of episodes 1, 2, & 3. To avoid any continuity problems, let’s take inventory of them.

Addressing the presumed “continuity errors”

“he feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on ‘some damn fool idealistic crusade’.”
“He didn’t hold with your father’s ideals, thought he should stay here and not gotten involved.”

Several quotes can be explained that Owen and Ben are not telling the truth.
Owen just wants Luke to stay home, and makes up anything that would keep Luke there.
And Ben lies too. It is especially revealing in retrospect, when Ben tells Luke how his father died. Alec Guinness acts like he is making up a story, even if he didn’t know he was. Just watch his face and his eyes looking away and down, instead of looking at Luke, and rocking a bit, as he suddenly feels uncomfortable, because he is lying to Luke. And then when he tells the true part, “Vader was seduced by the dark side”, he acts like remembering.
He was truly a brilliant actor.

Darth Vader “helped the Empire hunt down the Jedi”

Darth Vader did help the Empire to hunt down the Jedi. The remaining Jedi mind you, after order 66 was executed.

“I haven’t gone by the name of Obi-Wan since, oh, before you were born.”

This is a tough one I admit. I got no answer.

Obi-Wan explicitly says, “I don’t recall ever owning a droid.”

Obi-wan never owned a droid. Used droids for sure, but never possessed any. No problem here.

Governor Tarkin outranks Vader.
“Vader, release him,”

Tarkin does not outrank Vader, and he does not order Vader. This can be interpreted that they have a mutual respect, and they are equals in some way, and Tarkin is merely annoyed and asks Vader.

Obi-Wan served Leia’s (adopted) father as a general during the Clone Wars.
“You served my father in the Clone Wars.” Leia’s message in A New Hope implies that Obi-Wan served in the armed forces of Alderaan …
Also, the Jedi do not have military ranks.

No. Obi-wan actually served the Republic Army, and Leia’s ‘father’ was a senator, so in a way it can be said, that he served his father, since it was the senators in the senate who decided what needed to be done, and “ordered” the Jedi generals to carry out those tasks.
And the Jedi had military ranks. The Jedi masters and knights were generals, the padawans old enough to fight were commanders.

Vader knows he has a son, and knows Obi-Wan was with him
Throughout Empire Strikes Back, Vader is tearing the galaxy apart trying to find his son, and then when he reveals to Luke that he is Luke’s father, he says, “Obi-Wan never told you…” How did he know that Obi-Wan had ever met Luke?
Vader says things like “Obi-Wan has taught you well.” How does he know Luke was learning from Obi-Wan. The only way Vader could have known these things is if he knew his son.
Vader knew he had a son, but not a daughter

Nope. After the destruction of the first Death Star, news spread throuhgout the galaxy, that the rebels destroyed the Death Star, and a boy named Skywalker did it. Certainly that name rung the bell for Vader. And obviously people learned that his name is Luke Skywalker.

Vader knows that Luke had to learn from someone, and he found out on the Death Star that Obi-wan was alive after all, all these years. And since they thought that no Jedi were alive anymore, the only explanation is that it was Obi-wan who taught Luke.
And Leia’s identity or existence is not revealed this way, so no problem there either.

Leia knew her mother

Needs to be fixed in the prequels. Padme must stay alive.

The discredited Jedi are called “sorcerers” and “wizards.” >
An imperial officer says, “Don’t try to frighten us with your sorcerer’s ways, Lord Vader,” and Uncle Owen, referring to Obi-Wan says, “That wizard’s just a crazy old man.” Han Solo dismisses “hokey weapons and ancient religions.” Despite being guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy for a thousand generations, it seems the Jedi have been culturally discredited throughout the empire.

Yep, this is the way to brainwash people. You keep telling them a lie, and the lie becomes the new truth.

Obi-Wan knows Vader has become a machine
In Return of the Jedi, Obi-Wan says that Vader “is more machine than man now, twisted and evil.” But in Lucas’s prequels, Obi-Wan leaves Anakin for dead before Anakin transforms into a machine.

Sure he knows. He got killed by that machine on the Death Star, some 20 years after that.

Anakin wanted his son to become a Jedi
When Obi-Wan gives Luke his father’s lightsaber he says, “Your father wanted you to have this, when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn’t allow it.”

Simply another lie by Obi-wan. Moving on.

No One Knows the Emperor uses the Force
Governor Tarkin to Vader in New Hope, “You are all that’s left of their [the Jedi’s] religion,” so he seems not to know that the Emperor himself is a Sith…

The truth is that no one knows except Vader. He is the only one. Not even Tarkin, so no problem here either.

The Leia knew her mother part.

How do we know that Leia really remembered her real mother? It is possible that she remembered Bail’s wife and asumed it was her real mother.

I dont think that this is an important part to “fix”.

Well, if we assume that everyone in the original trilogy was lying or didn’t remember things correctly, then there’s nothing to be fixed, and the prequels are ok.

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#1100182
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The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread
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TK42-WAN said:

If Adywan intends to keep Padme and Anakins wedding I think it would resolve a lot of continuity errors it was shifted to Tatooine against the twin sunset at the Lars Homestead. That way we as an audience can assume that they spent some time there between AOTC and ROTS, became more familiar with the Lars family, and that Obi-Wan at some point sent for Anakin…

This is a great idea. And it will be even better if Beru and Lars can be seen in the wedding.

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#1097798
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Mistar Muffin said:

I made a few screenshot comparisons from the first act. I can make more if anyone is interested.

Great work ! Please, do some more ! 😃

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