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#1071919
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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I see people worried about Lando’s death (not exactly worried about Lando dying, but Solo’s ship (after all, how will he pay Jabba’s heirs if he looses his only asset (his ship)? ). I heard Adywan will spare Solo from loosing his ship.

Lando will die after the celebration party. He will have a heart attack after leaving the party with two hookers and taking a viagra pill. I don’t know if Adywan will show his death (this is a family movie, you know). 😉

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#1055225
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Bingowings said:

Yoda is a Jedi but at no point in ESB or ROTJ do we get any evidence that he was ever a Jedi Knight.
He constantly pushed Luke to avoid violence, avoid weapons, avoid confrontations until he is ready. And only then in the context of confronting and defeating his own personal fears not Vader or even the Emperor.
Ben on the other hand flat out tells Luke he has to kill his father in order to save the galaxy. During his first face to face meeting he gives Luke a weapon and tells him a lie setting him on a course that will lead him to confront Vader. He lets himself be killed infront of Luke possibly hours after this. He is a militant character.
Yoda is more of a guru, a teacher a source of knowledge.
Luke ultimately rejects Ben’s demand to kill and accepts Yoda’s lesson of facing fear, this rescues Anakin. The true ‘other’ the real ‘new hope’ the only person Palpatine would allow to get close enough to throw him down a really stupidly placed hole in the floor.
I realise this is my interpretation of the characters which is totally flipped by the prequels as they currently exist but it just seems odd to me that a philosophy such as the Force would only have a military arm. There are Buddhist and Taoist, even Christian warrior monks but they are a tiny sub faction of philosophies devoted to different things.

This is a nice debate, is always good to talk with someone that has deep knowledge and understanding of Star Wars as you have, Bingowings. 😃 That being said, back to the topic:

Well, it seems to me that the problem is, there are different Yodas. It seems to me that you talk about the ESB Yoda, which I believe is the Yoda we all feel is the best. But we also have the ROTJ Yoda, who says that Luke must confront (and kill) Vader (and we can assume the emperor as well). This is the same Yoda that said in ESB that Luke had to sacrifice his friends “if he cares for what they fight for”, and also said in the prequels that “destroy the Sith we must”. As different as these Yodas may be, the all seem to share a view that the ends justifies the means, even if it means the death of people close to us (and that fight for the same thing).

I don’t blame him. We must remember that they were at war with the Sith, who was killing Jedis across the galaxy. So he had a choice: fight against (and kill if possible) the Sith or face his own death (and the end of the Jedis). Unless we consider he’s a saint that feels its best dying then fighting, than we should consider that, as much as he hates fighting, he has to carry a saber to defend his life and the Jedis if needed.

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#1055027
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Bingowings said:

The main objections to Palaptine and Yoda’s fights in general seem to be that they diminish these two powerful being to just another computer game boss.

Yoda is always dismissive of weapons and Palpatine describes the Saber as a Jedi thing so it makes no sense that the two should fight with Sabers.
Having Palpatine kill a Jedi with his own weapon for laughs fits in with his twisted sense of fun but I can’t see him having one himself.
If the Yoda and Palatine fight was in the nature of the later half of the fight (throwing architecture and energy around) that too might be redeemable but the silly facial expressions and dodgy effects would be difficult to work around.
Having the Emperor saved by Clones would undermine his power (he has just won two wars that he instigated, he has exterminated most of the Jedi and brought down the Republic).

It is indeed an interesting view of those two characters, and I could easily accept your interpretation, and with clever edition it could be made to have them fighting only without sabers (it would only become a short fight, but it isn’t a big problem IMHO).

Although Yoda doesn’t like weapons (and GL himself said once that Yoda doesn’t fight but he probably would deny it now) I must only say that despite those facts, Yoda using a saber isn’t something absurd (it is a jedi weapon and he’s a Jedi, so it is only reasonable that he uses one). And he also said “Destroy the Sith we must”. Palpatine using a saber is something more difficult do explain, since as you quoted him saying, it is a “Jedi weapon”. But his apprentices also use sabers, so he could be only acknowledging Luke as a Jedi by the fact that he had a saber.

The question about his power being undermined by being saved by troopers… I think that ship has sailed when he was easily killed by Darth Vader (something he wasn’t able to predict and wasn’t even able to put a fight against Vader (something I hope someone can fix in a future ROTJ edit).

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#1054594
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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I would like to add two ideas, I don’t know if anyone already mentioned those ideas, so I’ll just explain them here, they are both about the final part of the 3rd movie.

  1. I think Yoda fighting Palpatine was a great moment in the 3rd movie, and it should be preserved. I saw people suggesting it should be removed from the third movie, but I believe it makes Yoda look like a coward, just running away and leaving the Sith to rule the Galaxy.

I understand that the fact that he is unable to beat Palpatine makes Luke victory seems “too easy” in ROTJ, but with some clever editing it is possible to make it look like Yoda was winning the fight but Palpatine was saved by imperial troopers. I mean, in the last scene, when Yoda and Palpatine where exchanging lighting, only Palpatine would fall. Yoda would stand on his feet but in that moment, imperial troopers comes and shoot Yoda, that falls when trying to avoid being hit by the lasers.

  1. I don’t think Padme’s labor should be seen. Besides giving away that Luke and Leia are brothers, if Padme Lives, it doesn’t give a good explanation to why Luke was separated from Padme and his sister. I think it would be enough if we see Natalie Portman scene in Ana Bolena with a baby girl in the end of the 3rd movie, without seeing her labor. That way someone who sees the prequels would think she only had one baby girl (preserving the secret of Luke being Darth Vader’s son) and avoiding giving a decent explanation to why Luke was separated from his mother.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

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#1054593
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Star Wars Episode III: Labyrinth Of Evil (Finished!)
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I just saw your movie and I like it. I just have two ideas that I think would improve the movie.

  1. I think Yoda fighting Palpatine was a great moment in the movie, and it should be preserved. Otherwise it makes Yoda look like a coward, just running away and leaving the Sith to rule the Galaxy.

I understand that the fact that he is unable to beat Palpatine makes Luke victory seems “too easy” in ROTJ, but with some clever editing it is possible to make it look like Yoda was winning the fight but Palpatine was saved by imperial troopers. I mean, in the last scene, when Yoda and Palpatine where exchanging lighting, only Palpatine would fall. Yoda would stand on his feet but in that same moment, imperial troopers appears (distant from Yoda) and shoot Yoda, that falls when trying to avoid being hit by the lasers.

  1. I don’t think Padme’s labor should be seen. Besides giving away that Luke and Leia are brothers, if Padme lives, it doesn’t give a good explanation to why Luke was separated from Padme and his sister. I think it would be enough if we see Natalie Portman scene in Ana Bolena with a baby girl. That way someone who sees the prequels think she only had one baby girl (preserving the secret of Luke being Darth Vader’s son) and avoiding giving a decent explanation to why Luke was separated from his mother.

Anyway, just my two cents. I don’t know if someone else already suggested those ideas.

Other than that, I really appreciated your edit. Great work Hal, I’m still trying to download the 2 previous movies in order to see them.

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#791867
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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adywan said:

To give an idea of what is left to do, here is a screenshot of the audio track editing timeline. each marker on the timeline represents shots left to do. As you can see, the majority of shots left to do involve one of the remaining miniatures/ props etc. Mainly the hangars, wampa and HiC. The audio is approx 80% complete. So not much left to do now ( click on image to see full size view)

 

Wow. How many tracks are you using in Revisited? I do some video editing myself, and I thought I used many tracks, but it seems you are using way more than me. :)

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#704597
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ANH:R - Stronger Vader edit: *** Released ***
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The great thing about scenes with close shots of Vader alone is that, since he doesn't open his mouth, you can start scenes with him a little earlier or finish a little later and it is believable that it was filmed that way in the first place. I think that can be used to in the scene to achieve what you want.

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#704596
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ANH:R - Stronger Vader edit: *** Released ***
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I agree with Bingowings. cut the last scene with Leia, and if needed, slow down the Vader close mask shot and a little (again, if needed, and just a little) the door shut. I believe the scream should be heard when the prison cell is walking away in the corridor, I think. Leia should turn to Vader a little faster, he starts talking and she is still looking at the door.

To me, this scene is becoming really great. I'm looking forward to see your edit. :)

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#703440
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ANH:R - Stronger Vader edit: *** Released ***
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Bingowings said:

It is a bit odd because Leia is clearly emoting at something behind Vader.

Once again one for the fx savvy crowd but maybe if in the corridor behind one of her crew was being dragged off to (or shoved into) a furnace or something to replace the view that's missing.

And a scream would really help punctuate this scene.

 

I agree. It's a good work, I can honestly believe that there is no droid in that scene. But as Bingowings says, Leia is clearly looking at something else. Maybe you can use another scene from ANH where Leia is looking in the same direction as Vader (and add to that scene the background of her cell) to finish that scene? There's also the noise that the droid makes, maybe you can get the original soundtrack of the movie to fix this?

You are doing a great job, your ideas will make a great ANH edit, keep up the good work. :)

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#696033
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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asterisk8 said:

(Does it take anyone else a long time after clicking "reply with quote" for the page to load? It's seems like it's always been very slow for me. Too slow to wait this time.)

iamweasel, why u trollin. You're at originaltrilogy.com arguing that it isn't worth restoring the OUT at 4K because a) it wouldn't look very good, and b) not enough people would buy it. Them's fightin words, son.

Scanning a 35mm film print for a 4K digital intermediate is not really anything like converting 2D to 3D. You think a film has to be shot in 4K to be 4K, and that also isn't true. Even though 35mm film is just shy of 4K, you have to scan the print at 8K to properly resolve the grain and produce an accurate 4K DI. The OUT would look fantastic given a proper 4K restoration, like the recent Lawrence of Arabia blu-ray. Enough people would buy it to make it worthwhile financially. And they could use some good will points heading into this sequel trilogy gamble.

But seriously, the ESB:R page is nowhere to bring this "not worth it" idea.

 There's no trolling here. Maybe you should read again what I said. Of course it is worth for me, for you and for everyone here to have the OUT in every format we can think of. But it was not worth for George Lucas (and now maybe Disney) to have the OUT released in Blu-ray. And worth here means money, the only thing that they care. They don't have the love and care we have for these movies.

Do you think that they don't know that people that care for the OUT exists? Of course they do! They simply don't think there are enough of us out there to justify releasing the OUT in Blu-rays, 4k or whatever format they come up with.

Hell, if they cared for what we think here, they would not only released the OUT in blu-ray, but at this moment Adywan and his friends would be Disney's employees working on the definitive special edition of the entire Star Wars saga! :) 

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#696031
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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Bingowings said:

OUT has never been released on Blu-ray indeed GOUT is just the transfer made for the laser disc set so you could say it's not even been on DVD.

The number of people too young to have paid for the Betamax versions and even the GOUT is rising.

So I think there is more of a market for OUT in HD than any SE or PT set.

 

That's true, but most people outside of this forum don't know the difference between the special editions released in blu-ray and the OUT, so to them it was the original trilogy that was released in blu-ray. I don't think they will buy the same movie again (even if it's the OUT). And I'm not even saying that it probably won't be the OUT to be released in 4k, since up until now we don't have the OUT in Blu-ray...  It will probably be (unfortunately) the same blue tint special edition we have now...

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#695958
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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adywan said:

iamweasel said:


I believe the original movies will never be available in larger formats. If they do, it wouldn't be worth to have them. To have good 4k/3D movies, you have to make the movie in these formats. And the original trilogy wasn't made that way.

 

 The original unaltered trilogy was filmed on 35mm film which means it CAN be be rescanned and released in perfect 4k and even higher.

It's funny that the unaltered versions are the only Star Wars films that can ever be released in true 4k. The special editions and TPM, although these were shot on 35mm film, the effects work was only done @ 2k. TPM only has a digital master which was used for the blu-rays and was digitized at  2k. The other 2 prequels were shot on digital and are stuck at 1080p/2k forever. So much for George pushing technology. He has doomed his "perfect vision" to what will become an obsolete format, while the versions he wanted to bury are the only ones that survive the next generation.

 

Reading Adywan's information about the 35 mm film which was used in GOUT and reading again what I said, I think I need to rewrite to make it clear what I said.

Of course the original films can be released in 4k or higher resolutions, and that would be done (if they really want to do it) even if the 35 mm film couldn't support a 4k (or higher) resolution with the quality people would expect to find. Money is the word here, and we all know that they will milk that cow (GOUT) as much as they can.

But as I said before, I don't think it would be worth it. Converting a 2D movie to 3D isn't the same as shooting in 3D and we all know by now that they aren't good at enhancing the movies (they only make them worse). Maybe Disney would be able to do a better work than George did (they can't do worse than he did with the special editions), but I doubt that (Ok, if they hire Adywan and his friends I start to believe Disney will do a good work. :) ). And if they decide to release the same Blu-ray we bought in 4K... I don't believe the average consumer will want to buy *AGAIN* the same movies they already bought in VHS, than bought again in DVD, and bought one more time in BD. I know I wouldn't. Even if we believe that everyone in this forum will buy a blue tint special edition classic trilogy in 4 K, I believe they need more consumers to consider another release.   

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#695893
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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Ryan McAvoy said:

Markstar said:

Am I the only one who would have been happy with Ady's excellent color correction and fixing the top 10 most obvious errors?

 Yes ;-)

Markstar said:

Adywan is getting outpaced by technology. This thing started with DVD format and by now we have seen the introduction of 720, 1080, 3D and now 4k. Don't get me wrong, I'm still find with a good DVD quality movie on our 46" and will be grateful for whatever Adywan is going to release whenever he sees fit. All I'm saying there is merit in having a schedule that doesn't span a decade.

 As I understand it ESB:R will be 720, but the official ESB isn't really available in any of those larger formats you mention either.

 

The way I see it, in a hobby project, there are no deadlines and it will be done when Adywan decides it is good enough or he doesn't want improve it anymore. That's the good thing about non comercial projects, they are as good as the author wants  it to be (or have the patience to do). :)

I believe the original movies will never be available in larger formats. If they do, it wouldn't be worth to have them. To have good 4k/3D movies, you have to make the movie in these formats. And the original trilogy wasn't made that way. 

 

 

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#693004
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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About the pointless of the ground rebel troops: well, if someone at ground during the battle said: "shoot at the weapons in the walkers!" you could have the ground troops trying to destroy the weapons (they shouldn't be as strong as the armor of the walkers). That would give the troopers something to do during the battle ( you could even having a AT AT weapon being destroyed this way to show that the ground rebels actually did something).

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#689478
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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sonofjones said:

Eh, even if he doesn't manage to restore Luke, it's still a one word difference. the entire context of the scene is reverted back to how it was originally (which is the big plus with the dialogue), so even if it's young skywalker instead of luke skywalker it won't be a deal breaker (least not for me)

 

I feel the same way. I can understand his desire for perfection, but young Skywalker is really fine to me as well.

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#689180
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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I sometimes wish ESB:R is finished not because I want to see it (and I do) but because I know that when it happens, Adywan and his friends can finally take a well deserved rest. I'm doing a fan edit too and it is a hell of work to do such thing. I can't wait to see my edit finished, so I kind of understand how tired the people involved in ESB:R should be now...

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#671911
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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Lord Haseo said:

Also I see on the Star Wars Revisited page's cover photo on facebook that ESB:R will be released near the end of 2013. I really hope so because my dad is 42 and hasn't seen the OT (I know >_>) and I want him to have the definitive Star Wars experience, but I've been keeping him waiting ever since April when ESB:R was set to release in May and I think he's growing rather impatient.

 

Tell him you misread it, it was written May 2014. ;) 

The important thing is that it is everything Adywan and his friends want it to be. I don't care when it will be released, perfection takes time, we all know that.

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#658322
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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Well, to me it seems that Bobba was chasing Solo and reported to the SD the direction he was going (to which planet he was probably going based on his course). Maybe Vader decided to get there first to set up the trap and said to Bobba to keep chasing Solo (in order to be sure he wouldn't change direction and get lost from the empire). In that scenario, the Empire got there first and Bobba got there in the same time as Solo.

 

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#657099
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STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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Well, let's not waste time thinking about bringing SW actors to work in a fan edit. They can't do that, even if they wanted.

The best thing you could do is to have someone else to play the character in the movie. I always thought that Obi-Wan and Vader duel in ANH could be highly improved because it isn't hard to find someone to play Vader and Obi-Wan is wearing his hood during the fight (new scenes could even shot obi-wan from behind and /or from angles that you wouldn't see his face). I believe something similar could be achieved with Darth Maul (specially if he is using his hood in the new scenes as well).

 

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