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#1140463
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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Just a comment, when it was announced that GL would be releasing a special edition of SW, I thought that enhancing Obi-wan x Darth Vader duel by adding new scenes would be doable, since anyone can play Darth Vader and Obiwan fought with his hood all the time.

I couldn’t be more wrong about GL’s intentions with the Special Editions, of course.

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#1140462
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littlev87 said:

iamweasel said:

I see some discussion about the use or not of the deleted scenes. In the case of Luke building his lightsaber, I think it can be used (IF Adywan is interested, of course). Luke’s face doesn’t appear in the scene, so it is possible to rotoscope his face and upscale it to HD (720p) using a new background (again, if someone is interested in a new background). His hands building the lightsaber can be replaced by any other hands.

Personally, I wouldn’t mind if it is just the entire scene upscaled / cleaned and inserted in the movie. This is a fanedit, if George Lucas with all his money didn’t care for doing the best job in the world, why a fanedit must keep such high standards? I for sure won’t complain if a upscaled version of a deleted scene appears in a fanedit.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

Why not just film a brand new scene, all that is needed is a prop light saber?

That works even better, since we don’t see Luke’s face, you can use a stuntman in the same way as ESB:R.

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#1140430
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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I see some discussion about the use or not of the deleted scenes. In the case of Luke building his lightsaber, I think it can be used (IF Adywan is interested, of course). Luke’s face doesn’t appear in the scene, so it is possible to rotoscope his face and upscale it to HD (720p) using a new background (again, if someone is interested in a new background). His hands building the lightsaber can be replaced by any other hands.

Personally, I wouldn’t mind if it is just the entire scene upscaled / cleaned and inserted in the movie. This is a fanedit, if George Lucas with all his money didn’t care for doing the best job in the world, why a fanedit must keep such high standards? I for sure won’t complain if a upscaled version of a deleted scene appears in a fanedit.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

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#1139833
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Another thing that doesn’t feel right to me (sorry if it was discussed before) is how Luke fights with the Rancor. He doesn’t look like a Jedi, he doesn’t use the force in any moment. And his victory in the end looks like plain (too much) lucky. I mean, he was lucky to have a rock near his feet when there was no time to find one, and them he throws the rock and he is lucky (again) to not only hit the button but doing it strong enough to activate it. All this would be ok if it was Luke from the ANH that was fighting, but it was a Jedi that was there. For someone who was really lucky to get out alive he seems too arrogant when he says to Jabba that he is making a bad mistake by not negotiating with him.

Although I don’t see much how to improve the fighing, at least the end could be more in a jedi way. Luke shouldn’t throw a rock, all he would do is raise his hand (maybe a new shot with only his hand), use the force and the button is pushed. At least it would be more of a Jedi way of finishing the fight.

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#1139828
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I don’t know if this was addressed before, but if it isn’t, it should be an easy fix (assuming Adywan feels it should be fixed). It always bugged me that when Luke finally decides to attack the emperor, he moves his hand and uses the force to retrieve his saber, but everything happens so slowly that Vader could go to the bathroom and comeback in time to prevent Luke’s blade to touch the emperor. If the idea was to make a fast attack, it was a big failure.

I feel that the right way to do it would be the saber to start moving by the same time Luke starts to move his arm to get it, so by the time his arm reaches its final position the saber would arrives at the same time. With other editing it could be a much faster attack.

Just curious, anyone else thought about this before?

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#1103989
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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Jani-wan said:

iamweasel said:

Jani-wan said:

iamweasel said:
I was hoping for a Phantom Manace revisited too. That movie could be turned into a good movie too, with some adjustments. (by removing Jar-jar, and fixing Threepio mostly)
But this discussion is for another thread I guess. (I have no idea which one though)

If by “some adjustments” you mean remaking the entire movie, than it might become a good movie. I can see why Adywan decided to drop dead the idea. There are so many things that need to be done to make it a good movie that would require lots of money and time.

I do not trust Disney anymore. First they made a terribly bad, than a mediocre movie, so they are 0 for 2
right now. Im afraid a cool Disney Star Wars movie is unrealistic expectation at this point.

Although TFA has (from my point of view) flaws, it is IMHO better than any prequel movie. And I liked Rogue One. But I must admit that, after ESB the quality of Star Wars movies got worse and worse each new movie was made. So I may be considering Rogue One a good movie because I saw a lot of crap Star Wars movies after ESB.

I think this discussion should be moved to another thread.
I don’t want to highjack this thread.
I could not find a Phantom Menace thread, so if you could provide the link, I would explain what I was thinkin in more details.

I don’t have a link here, but I wouldn’t want to talk about Phantom Menace anyway. I already lost too much time of my life with that horrible movie. I don’t want to spend even more.

Let’s talk about ROTJ:R.

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#1103938
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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Jani-wan said:

iamweasel said:
I was hoping for a Phantom Manace revisited too. That movie could be turned into a good movie too, with some adjustments. (by removing Jar-jar, and fixing Threepio mostly)
But this discussion is for another thread I guess. (I have no idea which one though)

If by “some adjustments” you mean remaking the entire movie, than it might become a good movie. I can see why Adywan decided to drop dead the idea. There are so many things that need to be done to make it a good movie that would require lots of money and time.

I do not trust Disney anymore. First they made a terribly bad, than a mediocre movie, so they are 0 for 2
right now. Im afraid a cool Disney Star Wars movie is unrealistic expectation at this point.

Although TFA has (from my point of view) flaws, it is IMHO better than any prequel movie. And I liked Rogue One. But I must admit that, after ESB the quality of Star Wars movies got worse and worse each new movie was made. So I may be considering Rogue One a good movie because I saw a lot of crap Star Wars movies after ESB.

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#1103918
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Bingowings said:

It’s a real shame about PT:R. These were the revisited projects I was most looking forward to. They are even more broken than Jedi. Hopefully someone else will take up the mantle. There is good them, I have felt it 😊 even if Rouge One was part3 of a PT:R. So much technical talent and genuine affection from people who worked on those Star Wars misshapes. It’s a shame if they stayed as they are.

Well, if we are lucky, Disney will do a cool Darth Vader movie where we can see him chasing the remaining Jedis across the galaxy. If they do a cool movie, you can consider Rogue One as Episode 3, this Darth Vader movie as episode 2 and someone can try to edit ROTS (with maybe some (few) scenes from the episode 1 or 2) to be the first episode, removing most of it flaws. This way we can have a prequel that doesn’t contradict anything that was said in the OT.

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#1103916
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SilverWook said:

iamweasel said:

I’m glad you decided to drop the prequels. Those movies can’t be fixed. At least not to what we wanted / expected them to be.

My 2 suggestions to ROTJ-R:

  1. When Vader grabs the emperor, make some of the lighting coming from the emperor reaches Vader (if possible with some sparks from Vader’s device in his chest, to suggest it was broken by the lighting). This way it gets more clearer Vader’s sacrifice and why he died (saving Luke cost him his life support). The way it is now in the movie it seems like he “lost his will to live” 😉

  2. I think Luke should have gone back to Yoda to finish his training after ESB:R. Between the ESB and ROTJ Luke finished his training. While that was happening, the empire chased the rebels and when ROTJ begins, they are in really bad position, with the empire close to a final victory. That will increase the drama in ROTJ. A new crawl can set this to the audience.

Vader lighting up internally like a Christmas tree, the scorched smoking armor, and the “iron lung” clearly sounding like it’s damaged doesn’t sell it enough for you?

I may be mistaken, but IIRC you can’t see any lighting reaching Vader coming from the emperor, so I must assume he were using cheap chinese eletronic that broke for no reason.

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#1103913
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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I’m glad you decided to drop the prequels. Those movies can’t be fixed. At least not to what we wanted / expected them to be.

My 2 suggestions to ROTJ-R:

  1. When Vader grabs the emperor, make some of the lighting coming from the emperor reaches Vader (if possible with some sparks from Vader’s device in his chest, to suggest it was broken by the lighting). This way it gets more clearer Vader’s sacrifice and why he died (saving Luke cost him his life support). The way it is now in the movie it seems like he “lost his will to live” 😉

  2. I think Luke should have gone back to Yoda to finish his training after ESB:R. Between the ESB and ROTJ Luke finished his training. While that was happening, the empire chased the rebels and when ROTJ begins, they are in really bad position, with the empire close to a final victory. That will increase the drama in ROTJ. A new crawl can set this to the audience.

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#1100957
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The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread
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n00bman said:

Jani-wan said:

JediBendu said:
There are a lot of continuity errors with the prequels
Episodes 4, 5, & 6 have many direct quotes of exposition that reveal details and provide clues about the events of episodes 1, 2, & 3. To avoid any continuity problems, let’s take inventory of them.

Addressing the presumed “continuity errors”

“he feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on ‘some damn fool idealistic crusade’.”
“He didn’t hold with your father’s ideals, thought he should stay here and not gotten involved.”

Several quotes can be explained that Owen and Ben are not telling the truth.
Owen just wants Luke to stay home, and makes up anything that would keep Luke there.
And Ben lies too. It is especially revealing in retrospect, when Ben tells Luke how his father died. Alec Guinness acts like he is making up a story, even if he didn’t know he was. Just watch his face and his eyes looking away and down, instead of looking at Luke, and rocking a bit, as he suddenly feels uncomfortable, because he is lying to Luke. And then when he tells the true part, “Vader was seduced by the dark side”, he acts like remembering.
He was truly a brilliant actor.

Darth Vader “helped the Empire hunt down the Jedi”

Darth Vader did help the Empire to hunt down the Jedi. The remaining Jedi mind you, after order 66 was executed.

“I haven’t gone by the name of Obi-Wan since, oh, before you were born.”

This is a tough one I admit. I got no answer.

Obi-Wan explicitly says, “I don’t recall ever owning a droid.”

Obi-wan never owned a droid. Used droids for sure, but never possessed any. No problem here.

Governor Tarkin outranks Vader.
“Vader, release him,”

Tarkin does not outrank Vader, and he does not order Vader. This can be interpreted that they have a mutual respect, and they are equals in some way, and Tarkin is merely annoyed and asks Vader.

Obi-Wan served Leia’s (adopted) father as a general during the Clone Wars.
“You served my father in the Clone Wars.” Leia’s message in A New Hope implies that Obi-Wan served in the armed forces of Alderaan …
Also, the Jedi do not have military ranks.

No. Obi-wan actually served the Republic Army, and Leia’s ‘father’ was a senator, so in a way it can be said, that he served his father, since it was the senators in the senate who decided what needed to be done, and “ordered” the Jedi generals to carry out those tasks.
And the Jedi had military ranks. The Jedi masters and knights were generals, the padawans old enough to fight were commanders.

Vader knows he has a son, and knows Obi-Wan was with him
Throughout Empire Strikes Back, Vader is tearing the galaxy apart trying to find his son, and then when he reveals to Luke that he is Luke’s father, he says, “Obi-Wan never told you…” How did he know that Obi-Wan had ever met Luke?
Vader says things like “Obi-Wan has taught you well.” How does he know Luke was learning from Obi-Wan. The only way Vader could have known these things is if he knew his son.
Vader knew he had a son, but not a daughter

Nope. After the destruction of the first Death Star, news spread throuhgout the galaxy, that the rebels destroyed the Death Star, and a boy named Skywalker did it. Certainly that name rung the bell for Vader. And obviously people learned that his name is Luke Skywalker.

Vader knows that Luke had to learn from someone, and he found out on the Death Star that Obi-wan was alive after all, all these years. And since they thought that no Jedi were alive anymore, the only explanation is that it was Obi-wan who taught Luke.
And Leia’s identity or existence is not revealed this way, so no problem there either.

Leia knew her mother

Needs to be fixed in the prequels. Padme must stay alive.

The discredited Jedi are called “sorcerers” and “wizards.” >
An imperial officer says, “Don’t try to frighten us with your sorcerer’s ways, Lord Vader,” and Uncle Owen, referring to Obi-Wan says, “That wizard’s just a crazy old man.” Han Solo dismisses “hokey weapons and ancient religions.” Despite being guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy for a thousand generations, it seems the Jedi have been culturally discredited throughout the empire.

Yep, this is the way to brainwash people. You keep telling them a lie, and the lie becomes the new truth.

Obi-Wan knows Vader has become a machine
In Return of the Jedi, Obi-Wan says that Vader “is more machine than man now, twisted and evil.” But in Lucas’s prequels, Obi-Wan leaves Anakin for dead before Anakin transforms into a machine.

Sure he knows. He got killed by that machine on the Death Star, some 20 years after that.

Anakin wanted his son to become a Jedi
When Obi-Wan gives Luke his father’s lightsaber he says, “Your father wanted you to have this, when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn’t allow it.”

Simply another lie by Obi-wan. Moving on.

No One Knows the Emperor uses the Force
Governor Tarkin to Vader in New Hope, “You are all that’s left of their [the Jedi’s] religion,” so he seems not to know that the Emperor himself is a Sith…

The truth is that no one knows except Vader. He is the only one. Not even Tarkin, so no problem here either.

The Leia knew her mother part.

How do we know that Leia really remembered her real mother? It is possible that she remembered Bail’s wife and asumed it was her real mother.

I dont think that this is an important part to “fix”.

Well, if we assume that everyone in the original trilogy was lying or didn’t remember things correctly, then there’s nothing to be fixed, and the prequels are ok.

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#1100182
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The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread
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TK42-WAN said:

If Adywan intends to keep Padme and Anakins wedding I think it would resolve a lot of continuity errors it was shifted to Tatooine against the twin sunset at the Lars Homestead. That way we as an audience can assume that they spent some time there between AOTC and ROTS, became more familiar with the Lars family, and that Obi-Wan at some point sent for Anakin…

This is a great idea. And it will be even better if Beru and Lars can be seen in the wedding.

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#1097798
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Mistar Muffin said:

I made a few screenshot comparisons from the first act. I can make more if anyone is interested.

Great work ! Please, do some more ! 😃

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#1097136
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ADR14NAT1ON said:

Go to the forum for getting a MySpleen invite!

If you mean the MySpleen forum, I registered but it seems they are not giving invitation anymore in MySpleen Forum. I also asked for an invitation here in the OT forum (the request mySpleen Invitation Thread). But I believe they aren’t giving anymore. 😦

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#1087742
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SparkySywer said:
Maybe I’m being unrealistically optimistic, or maybe I’m just uninformed, but if you’re making an ANH:R2, can you redo the Wampa in an ESB:R2?

Maybe we should consider that Adywan might want to finish this edit and never work on it again. I don’t know about him, but I wouldn’t want a project I would work on for the rest of my life.

Besides, he has other films to edit (again, if I were him I would only edit ROTJ and forget about the prequels (to me they can’t be fixed, but it’s his choice, not mine)).

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#1085932
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The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread
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MalàStrana said:

“better made” is the typical sentence that doesn’t mean anything 😃
Rogue One, Episode I-II-III-VII are made the exact same way… (and at least I-II-III have a story to tell, no just “star wars porn” and empty fan-service…)

I of course respect your opinion about Rogue One not being a good Star Wars movie, but when you say that a Star Wars movie where Jar Jar Binks is an important character is better than Rogue One… There’s nothing more to be said, I think.

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#1085818
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I don’t know if someone already posted this idea, but here it goes: Since most of us will agree that Rogue One is a good movie, and some of us feel that we need to have 3 movies before the original trilogy, why not make Rogue one as the 3rd movie and compress those 3 movies from the prequel trilogy to only 2 movies?

We have plenty of sillyness to cut from the prequel, that’s for sure. And with Rogue One all we need is to add a crawl at the beginning to tie it better with the 2 other movies.

What do you guys think?

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#1085815
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Star Wars - Rise of the Dark Side (a PT 3-in-1 edit)
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This is a nice idea IMHO. Doing a 3-in-1 edit with older Obi-wan telling Luke what happened and some voice over during the movie. If you could get someone who has a similar voice to Alec Guinness, you could get only the most interesting parts of the 3 movies and have a really nice story that doesn’t contradict what is said in the original trilogy. This can be the best approach to really turn those awful movies into something that we all can enjoy. 😃

Looking forward to see how your edit goes.

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#1071919
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I see people worried about Lando’s death (not exactly worried about Lando dying, but Solo’s ship (after all, how will he pay Jabba’s heirs if he looses his only asset (his ship)? ). I heard Adywan will spare Solo from loosing his ship.

Lando will die after the celebration party. He will have a heart attack after leaving the party with two hookers and taking a viagra pill. I don’t know if Adywan will show his death (this is a family movie, you know). 😉

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#1055225
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Bingowings said:

Yoda is a Jedi but at no point in ESB or ROTJ do we get any evidence that he was ever a Jedi Knight.
He constantly pushed Luke to avoid violence, avoid weapons, avoid confrontations until he is ready. And only then in the context of confronting and defeating his own personal fears not Vader or even the Emperor.
Ben on the other hand flat out tells Luke he has to kill his father in order to save the galaxy. During his first face to face meeting he gives Luke a weapon and tells him a lie setting him on a course that will lead him to confront Vader. He lets himself be killed infront of Luke possibly hours after this. He is a militant character.
Yoda is more of a guru, a teacher a source of knowledge.
Luke ultimately rejects Ben’s demand to kill and accepts Yoda’s lesson of facing fear, this rescues Anakin. The true ‘other’ the real ‘new hope’ the only person Palpatine would allow to get close enough to throw him down a really stupidly placed hole in the floor.
I realise this is my interpretation of the characters which is totally flipped by the prequels as they currently exist but it just seems odd to me that a philosophy such as the Force would only have a military arm. There are Buddhist and Taoist, even Christian warrior monks but they are a tiny sub faction of philosophies devoted to different things.

This is a nice debate, is always good to talk with someone that has deep knowledge and understanding of Star Wars as you have, Bingowings. 😃 That being said, back to the topic:

Well, it seems to me that the problem is, there are different Yodas. It seems to me that you talk about the ESB Yoda, which I believe is the Yoda we all feel is the best. But we also have the ROTJ Yoda, who says that Luke must confront (and kill) Vader (and we can assume the emperor as well). This is the same Yoda that said in ESB that Luke had to sacrifice his friends “if he cares for what they fight for”, and also said in the prequels that “destroy the Sith we must”. As different as these Yodas may be, the all seem to share a view that the ends justifies the means, even if it means the death of people close to us (and that fight for the same thing).

I don’t blame him. We must remember that they were at war with the Sith, who was killing Jedis across the galaxy. So he had a choice: fight against (and kill if possible) the Sith or face his own death (and the end of the Jedis). Unless we consider he’s a saint that feels its best dying then fighting, than we should consider that, as much as he hates fighting, he has to carry a saber to defend his life and the Jedis if needed.

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#1055027
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Bingowings said:

The main objections to Palaptine and Yoda’s fights in general seem to be that they diminish these two powerful being to just another computer game boss.

Yoda is always dismissive of weapons and Palpatine describes the Saber as a Jedi thing so it makes no sense that the two should fight with Sabers.
Having Palpatine kill a Jedi with his own weapon for laughs fits in with his twisted sense of fun but I can’t see him having one himself.
If the Yoda and Palatine fight was in the nature of the later half of the fight (throwing architecture and energy around) that too might be redeemable but the silly facial expressions and dodgy effects would be difficult to work around.
Having the Emperor saved by Clones would undermine his power (he has just won two wars that he instigated, he has exterminated most of the Jedi and brought down the Republic).

It is indeed an interesting view of those two characters, and I could easily accept your interpretation, and with clever edition it could be made to have them fighting only without sabers (it would only become a short fight, but it isn’t a big problem IMHO).

Although Yoda doesn’t like weapons (and GL himself said once that Yoda doesn’t fight but he probably would deny it now) I must only say that despite those facts, Yoda using a saber isn’t something absurd (it is a jedi weapon and he’s a Jedi, so it is only reasonable that he uses one). And he also said “Destroy the Sith we must”. Palpatine using a saber is something more difficult do explain, since as you quoted him saying, it is a “Jedi weapon”. But his apprentices also use sabers, so he could be only acknowledging Luke as a Jedi by the fact that he had a saber.

The question about his power being undermined by being saved by troopers… I think that ship has sailed when he was easily killed by Darth Vader (something he wasn’t able to predict and wasn’t even able to put a fight against Vader (something I hope someone can fix in a future ROTJ edit).

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