iamweasel

SilverWook said:

iamweasel said:

I’m glad you decided to drop the prequels. Those movies can’t be fixed. At least not to what we wanted / expected them to be.

My 2 suggestions to ROTJ-R:

1. When Vader grabs the emperor, make some of the lighting coming from the emperor reaches Vader (if possible with some sparks from Vader’s device in his chest, to suggest it was broken by the lighting). This way it gets more clearer Vader’s sacrifice and why he died (saving Luke cost him his life support). The way it is now in the movie it seems like he “lost his will to live” 😉

2. I think Luke should have gone back to Yoda to finish his training after ESB:R. Between the ESB and ROTJ Luke finished his training. While that was happening, the empire chased the rebels and when ROTJ begins, they are in really bad position, with the empire close to a final victory. That will increase the drama in ROTJ. A new crawl can set this to the audience.

Vader lighting up internally like a Christmas tree, the scorched smoking armor, and the “iron lung” clearly sounding like it’s damaged doesn’t sell it enough for you?

I may be mistaken, but IIRC you can’t see any lighting reaching Vader coming from the emperor, so I must assume he were using cheap chinese eletronic that broke for no reason.

I’m glad you decided to drop the prequels. Those movies can’t be fixed. At least not to what we wanted / expected them to be.

My 2 suggestions to ROTJ-R:

1. When Vader grabs the emperor, make some of the lighting coming from the emperor reaches Vader (if possible with some sparks from Vader’s device in his chest, to suggest it was broken by the lighting). This way it gets more clearer Vader’s sacrifice and why he died (saving Luke cost him his life support). The way it is now in the movie it seems like he “lost his will to live” 😉

2. I think Luke should have gone back to Yoda to finish his training after ESB:R. Between the ESB and ROTJ Luke finished his training. While that was happening, the empire chased the rebels and when ROTJ begins, they are in really bad position, with the empire close to a final victory. That will increase the drama in ROTJ. A new crawl can set this to the audience.

n00bman said:

Jani-wan said:

JediBendu said:
There are a lot of continuity errors with the prequels
Episodes 4, 5, & 6 have many direct quotes of exposition that reveal details and provide clues about the events of episodes 1, 2, & 3. To avoid any continuity problems, let’s take inventory of them.

Addressing the presumed “continuity errors”

“he feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on ‘some damn fool idealistic crusade’.”
“He didn’t hold with your father’s ideals, thought he should stay here and not gotten involved.”

Several quotes can be explained that Owen and Ben are not telling the truth.
Owen just wants Luke to stay home, and makes up anything that would keep Luke there.
And Ben lies too. It is especially revealing in retrospect, when Ben tells Luke how his father died. Alec Guinness acts like he is making up a story, even if he didn’t know he was. Just watch his face and his eyes looking away and down, instead of looking at Luke, and rocking a bit, as he suddenly feels uncomfortable, because he is lying to Luke. And then when he tells the true part, “Vader was seduced by the dark side”, he acts like remembering.
He was truly a brilliant actor.

Darth Vader “helped the Empire hunt down the Jedi”

Darth Vader did help the Empire to hunt down the Jedi. The remaining Jedi mind you, after order 66 was executed.

“I haven’t gone by the name of Obi-Wan since, oh, before you were born.”

This is a tough one I admit. I got no answer.

Obi-Wan explicitly says, “I don’t recall ever owning a droid.”

Obi-wan never owned a droid. Used droids for sure, but never possessed any. No problem here.

Governor Tarkin outranks Vader.
“Vader, release him,”

Tarkin does not outrank Vader, and he does not order Vader. This can be interpreted that they have a mutual respect, and they are equals in some way, and Tarkin is merely annoyed and asks Vader.

Obi-Wan served Leia’s (adopted) father as a general during the Clone Wars.
“You served my father in the Clone Wars.” Leia’s message in A New Hope implies that Obi-Wan served in the armed forces of Alderaan …
Also, the Jedi do not have military ranks.

No. Obi-wan actually served the Republic Army, and Leia’s ‘father’ was a senator, so in a way it can be said, that he served his father, since it was the senators in the senate who decided what needed to be done, and “ordered” the Jedi generals to carry out those tasks.
And the Jedi had military ranks. The Jedi masters and knights were generals, the padawans old enough to fight were commanders.

Vader knows he has a son, and knows Obi-Wan was with him
Throughout Empire Strikes Back, Vader is tearing the galaxy apart trying to find his son, and then when he reveals to Luke that he is Luke’s father, he says, “Obi-Wan never told you…” How did he know that Obi-Wan had ever met Luke?
Vader says things like “Obi-Wan has taught you well.” How does he know Luke was learning from Obi-Wan. The only way Vader could have known these things is if he knew his son.
Vader knew he had a son, but not a daughter

Nope. After the destruction of the first Death Star, news spread throuhgout the galaxy, that the rebels destroyed the Death Star, and a boy named Skywalker did it. Certainly that name rung the bell for Vader. And obviously people learned that his name is Luke Skywalker.

Vader knows that Luke had to learn from someone, and he found out on the Death Star that Obi-wan was alive after all, all these years. And since they thought that no Jedi were alive anymore, the only explanation is that it was Obi-wan who taught Luke.
And Leia’s identity or existence is not revealed this way, so no problem there either.

Leia knew her mother

Needs to be fixed in the prequels. Padme must stay alive.

The discredited Jedi are called “sorcerers” and “wizards.” >
An imperial officer says, “Don’t try to frighten us with your sorcerer’s ways, Lord Vader,” and Uncle Owen, referring to Obi-Wan says, “That wizard’s just a crazy old man.” Han Solo dismisses “hokey weapons and ancient religions.” Despite being guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy for a thousand generations, it seems the Jedi have been culturally discredited throughout the empire.

Yep, this is the way to brainwash people. You keep telling them a lie, and the lie becomes the new truth.

Obi-Wan knows Vader has become a machine
In Return of the Jedi, Obi-Wan says that Vader “is more machine than man now, twisted and evil.” But in Lucas’s prequels, Obi-Wan leaves Anakin for dead before Anakin transforms into a machine.

Sure he knows. He got killed by that machine on the Death Star, some 20 years after that.

Anakin wanted his son to become a Jedi
When Obi-Wan gives Luke his father’s lightsaber he says, “Your father wanted you to have this, when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn’t allow it.”

Simply another lie by Obi-wan. Moving on.

No One Knows the Emperor uses the Force
Governor Tarkin to Vader in New Hope, “You are all that’s left of their [the Jedi’s] religion,” so he seems not to know that the Emperor himself is a Sith…

The truth is that no one knows except Vader. He is the only one. Not even Tarkin, so no problem here either.

The Leia knew her mother part.

How do we know that Leia really remembered her real mother? It is possible that she remembered Bail’s wife and asumed it was her real mother.

I dont think that this is an important part to “fix”.

Well, if we assume that everyone in the original trilogy was lying or didn’t remember things correctly, then there’s nothing to be fixed, and the prequels are ok.

TK42-WAN said:

If Adywan intends to keep Padme and Anakins wedding I think it would resolve a lot of continuity errors it was shifted to Tatooine against the twin sunset at the Lars Homestead. That way we as an audience can assume that they spent some time there between AOTC and ROTS, became more familiar with the Lars family, and that Obi-Wan at some point sent for Anakin…

This is a great idea. And it will be even better if Beru and Lars can be seen in the wedding.

Mistar Muffin said:

I made a few screenshot comparisons from the first act. I can make more if anyone is interested.

• Luke viewing probe droid crash with binoculars
• Han entering Echo Base on Tauntaun
• Wampa lunging at Luke in cave
• An example of added snow flurries
• Obi-Wan force ghost
• Luke in bacta tank
• Probe droid taking photos of shield generator
• Echo Base interior matte replacement
• Stand-by ion control…fire!

Great work ! Please, do some more ! 😃

HotRod said:

Someone seed a bloody torrent please…We all need it

Indeed, a public torrent would help a lot.

ADR14NAT1ON said:

Go to the forum for getting a MySpleen invite!

If you mean the MySpleen forum, I registered but it seems they are not giving invitation anymore in MySpleen Forum. I also asked for an invitation here in the OT forum (the request mySpleen Invitation Thread). But I believe they aren’t giving anymore. 😦

ADR14NAT1ON said:

Hey guys, it’s already on MySpleen

Cool ! But I need someone to invite me to MySpleen…

SparkySywer said:
Maybe I’m being unrealistically optimistic, or maybe I’m just uninformed, but if you’re making an ANH:R2, can you redo the Wampa in an ESB:R2?

Maybe we should consider that Adywan might want to finish this edit and never work on it again. I don’t know about him, but I wouldn’t want a project I would work on for the rest of my life.

Besides, he has other films to edit (again, if I were him I would only edit ROTJ and forget about the prequels (to me they can’t be fixed, but it’s his choice, not mine)).

MalàStrana said:

“better made” is the typical sentence that doesn’t mean anything 😃
Rogue One, Episode I-II-III-VII are made the exact same way… (and at least I-II-III have a story to tell, no just “star wars porn” and empty fan-service…)

I of course respect your opinion about Rogue One not being a good Star Wars movie, but when you say that a Star Wars movie where Jar Jar Binks is an important character is better than Rogue One… There’s nothing more to be said, I think.

I don’t know if someone already posted this idea, but here it goes: Since most of us will agree that Rogue One is a good movie, and some of us feel that we need to have 3 movies before the original trilogy, why not make Rogue one as the 3rd movie and compress those 3 movies from the prequel trilogy to only 2 movies?

We have plenty of sillyness to cut from the prequel, that’s for sure. And with Rogue One all we need is to add a crawl at the beginning to tie it better with the 2 other movies.

What do you guys think?

This is a nice idea IMHO. Doing a 3-in-1 edit with older Obi-wan telling Luke what happened and some voice over during the movie. If you could get someone who has a similar voice to Alec Guinness, you could get only the most interesting parts of the 3 movies and have a really nice story that doesn’t contradict what is said in the original trilogy. This can be the best approach to really turn those awful movies into something that we all can enjoy. 😃

Looking forward to see how your edit goes.

I see people worried about Lando’s death (not exactly worried about Lando dying, but Solo’s ship (after all, how will he pay Jabba’s heirs if he looses his only asset (his ship)? ). I heard Adywan will spare Solo from loosing his ship.

Lando will die after the celebration party. He will have a heart attack after leaving the party with two hookers and taking a viagra pill. I don’t know if Adywan will show his death (this is a family movie, you know). 😉

1anakin said:

I love your Edit Hal9000, it’s the only cut of Episode 3 I will watch. There’s only that one main criticism I have stated above.

Indeed, Episode 3 is great. Unfortunately I couldn’t find Episode 1 and 2 to see.

Bingowings said:

Yoda is a Jedi but at no point in ESB or ROTJ do we get any evidence that he was ever a Jedi Knight.
He constantly pushed Luke to avoid violence, avoid weapons, avoid confrontations until he is ready. And only then in the context of confronting and defeating his own personal fears not Vader or even the Emperor.
Ben on the other hand flat out tells Luke he has to kill his father in order to save the galaxy. During his first face to face meeting he gives Luke a weapon and tells him a lie setting him on a course that will lead him to confront Vader. He lets himself be killed infront of Luke possibly hours after this. He is a militant character.
Yoda is more of a guru, a teacher a source of knowledge.
Luke ultimately rejects Ben’s demand to kill and accepts Yoda’s lesson of facing fear, this rescues Anakin. The true ‘other’ the real ‘new hope’ the only person Palpatine would allow to get close enough to throw him down a really stupidly placed hole in the floor.
I realise this is my interpretation of the characters which is totally flipped by the prequels as they currently exist but it just seems odd to me that a philosophy such as the Force would only have a military arm. There are Buddhist and Taoist, even Christian warrior monks but they are a tiny sub faction of philosophies devoted to different things.

This is a nice debate, is always good to talk with someone that has deep knowledge and understanding of Star Wars as you have, Bingowings. 😃 That being said, back to the topic:

Well, it seems to me that the problem is, there are different Yodas. It seems to me that you talk about the ESB Yoda, which I believe is the Yoda we all feel is the best. But we also have the ROTJ Yoda, who says that Luke must confront (and kill) Vader (and we can assume the emperor as well). This is the same Yoda that said in ESB that Luke had to sacrifice his friends “if he cares for what they fight for”, and also said in the prequels that “destroy the Sith we must”. As different as these Yodas may be, the all seem to share a view that the ends justifies the means, even if it means the death of people close to us (and that fight for the same thing).

I don’t blame him. We must remember that they were at war with the Sith, who was killing Jedis across the galaxy. So he had a choice: fight against (and kill if possible) the Sith or face his own death (and the end of the Jedis). Unless we consider he’s a saint that feels its best dying then fighting, than we should consider that, as much as he hates fighting, he has to carry a saber to defend his life and the Jedis if needed.

Bingowings said:

The main objections to Palaptine and Yoda’s fights in general seem to be that they diminish these two powerful being to just another computer game boss.

Yoda is always dismissive of weapons and Palpatine describes the Saber as a Jedi thing so it makes no sense that the two should fight with Sabers.
Having Palpatine kill a Jedi with his own weapon for laughs fits in with his twisted sense of fun but I can’t see him having one himself.
If the Yoda and Palatine fight was in the nature of the later half of the fight (throwing architecture and energy around) that too might be redeemable but the silly facial expressions and dodgy effects would be difficult to work around.
Having the Emperor saved by Clones would undermine his power (he has just won two wars that he instigated, he has exterminated most of the Jedi and brought down the Republic).

It is indeed an interesting view of those two characters, and I could easily accept your interpretation, and with clever edition it could be made to have them fighting only without sabers (it would only become a short fight, but it isn’t a big problem IMHO).

Although Yoda doesn’t like weapons (and GL himself said once that Yoda doesn’t fight but he probably would deny it now) I must only say that despite those facts, Yoda using a saber isn’t something absurd (it is a jedi weapon and he’s a Jedi, so it is only reasonable that he uses one). And he also said “Destroy the Sith we must”. Palpatine using a saber is something more difficult do explain, since as you quoted him saying, it is a “Jedi weapon”. But his apprentices also use sabers, so he could be only acknowledging Luke as a Jedi by the fact that he had a saber.

The question about his power being undermined by being saved by troopers… I think that ship has sailed when he was easily killed by Darth Vader (something he wasn’t able to predict and wasn’t even able to put a fight against Vader (something I hope someone can fix in a future ROTJ edit).

I would like to add two ideas, I don’t know if anyone already mentioned those ideas, so I’ll just explain them here, they are both about the final part of the 3rd movie.

1. I think Yoda fighting Palpatine was a great moment in the 3rd movie, and it should be preserved. I saw people suggesting it should be removed from the third movie, but I believe it makes Yoda look like a coward, just running away and leaving the Sith to rule the Galaxy.

I understand that the fact that he is unable to beat Palpatine makes Luke victory seems “too easy” in ROTJ, but with some clever editing it is possible to make it look like Yoda was winning the fight but Palpatine was saved by imperial troopers. I mean, in the last scene, when Yoda and Palpatine where exchanging lighting, only Palpatine would fall. Yoda would stand on his feet but in that moment, imperial troopers comes and shoot Yoda, that falls when trying to avoid being hit by the lasers.

2. I don’t think Padme’s labor should be seen. Besides giving away that Luke and Leia are brothers, if Padme Lives, it doesn’t give a good explanation to why Luke was separated from Padme and his sister. I think it would be enough if we see Natalie Portman scene in Ana Bolena with a baby girl in the end of the 3rd movie, without seeing her labor. That way someone who sees the prequels would think she only had one baby girl (preserving the secret of Luke being Darth Vader’s son) and avoiding giving a decent explanation to why Luke was separated from his mother.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

I just saw your movie and I like it. I just have two ideas that I think would improve the movie.

1. I think Yoda fighting Palpatine was a great moment in the movie, and it should be preserved. Otherwise it makes Yoda look like a coward, just running away and leaving the Sith to rule the Galaxy.

I understand that the fact that he is unable to beat Palpatine makes Luke victory seems “too easy” in ROTJ, but with some clever editing it is possible to make it look like Yoda was winning the fight but Palpatine was saved by imperial troopers. I mean, in the last scene, when Yoda and Palpatine where exchanging lighting, only Palpatine would fall. Yoda would stand on his feet but in that same moment, imperial troopers appears (distant from Yoda) and shoot Yoda, that falls when trying to avoid being hit by the lasers.

2. I don’t think Padme’s labor should be seen. Besides giving away that Luke and Leia are brothers, if Padme lives, it doesn’t give a good explanation to why Luke was separated from Padme and his sister. I think it would be enough if we see Natalie Portman scene in Ana Bolena with a baby girl. That way someone who sees the prequels think she only had one baby girl (preserving the secret of Luke being Darth Vader’s son) and avoiding giving a decent explanation to why Luke was separated from his mother.

Anyway, just my two cents. I don’t know if someone else already suggested those ideas.

Other than that, I really appreciated your edit. Great work Hal, I’m still trying to download the 2 previous movies in order to see them.

adywan said:

To give an idea of what is left to do, here is a screenshot of the audio track editing timeline. each marker on the timeline represents shots left to do. As you can see, the majority of shots left to do involve one of the remaining miniatures/ props etc. Mainly the hangars, wampa and HiC. The audio is approx 80% complete. So not much left to do now ( click on image to see full size view)

Wow. How many tracks are you using in Revisited? I do some video editing myself, and I thought I used many tracks, but it seems you are using way more than me. :)

jedimasterobiwan said:

they are a bunch jerks they don't see how much he has fixed in his edit

 People that don't do anything are always ready to criticize those who actually do something. Nothing new here.

My two cents:

I think the first clip is better and I really like the camera shake.

The great thing about scenes with close shots of Vader alone is that, since he doesn't open his mouth, you can start scenes with him a little earlier or finish a little later and it is believable that it was filmed that way in the first place. I think that can be used to in the scene to achieve what you want.

I agree with Bingowings. cut the last scene with Leia, and if needed, slow down the Vader close mask shot and a little (again, if needed, and just a little) the door shut. I believe the scream should be heard when the prison cell is walking away in the corridor, I think. Leia should turn to Vader a little faster, he starts talking and she is still looking at the door.

To me, this scene is becoming really great. I'm looking forward to see your edit. :)

Forgot to say, the scream would be a really nice touch. :)

Bingowings said:

It is a bit odd because Leia is clearly emoting at something behind Vader.

Once again one for the fx savvy crowd but maybe if in the corridor behind one of her crew was being dragged off to (or shoved into) a furnace or something to replace the view that's missing.

And a scream would really help punctuate this scene.

I agree. It's a good work, I can honestly believe that there is no droid in that scene. But as Bingowings says, Leia is clearly looking at something else. Maybe you can use another scene from ANH where Leia is looking in the same direction as Vader (and add to that scene the background of her cell) to finish that scene? There's also the noise that the droid makes, maybe you can get the original soundtrack of the movie to fix this?

You are doing a great job, your ideas will make a great ANH edit, keep up the good work. :)