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#1297711
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The Phantom Menace - Theatrical version scanned in 4K (a WIP)
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MonkeyLizard10 seems to be right…

Evolution of Rotten Tomatoes reviews for The Phantom Menace, according to web.archive.org:

  • 2004: Tomatometer: 62%
  • 2005: Tomatometer: 63%
  • 2006: Tomatometer: 63%
  • 2007: Tomatometer: 63%
  • 2008: Tomatometer: 63%
  • 2009: Tomatometer: 63%
  • 2010: Tomatometer: 62%
  • 2011: Tomatometer: 62% - Audience: 65%
  • 2012: Tomatometer: 57% - Audience: 62%
  • 2013: Tomatometer: 57% - Audience: 62%
  • 2014: Tomatometer: 57% - Audience: 60%
  • 2015: Tomatometer: 57% - Audience: 60%
  • 2016: Tomatometer: 56% - Audience: 60%
  • 2017: Tomatometer: 55% - Audience: 59%
  • 2018: Tomatometer: 55% - Audience: 59%
  • 2019: Tomatometer: 53% - Audience: 59%

So it seems that it was not so hated until 2012, then it suddenly dropped 10% within the last 7 years
(but it remains widely above The Last Jedi which gets an awful audience score of 44%).

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#1297565
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The Phantom Menace - Theatrical version scanned in 4K (a WIP)
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Slavicuss said:

MonkeyLizard10 said:

cool project

I saw this in 35mm as well as on two different digital projectors back in '99, including what might have been the first commercial digital projection of any film in the world.

Contrary to all the net rage, theaters were packed and people generally seemed pretty happy and were NOT all laughing, raging, etc. decent bit of clapping at the end at many showings.

And for AOTC, people were racing out of the earlier showings, smiling, giving thumbs up to people still on line, saying it was awesome, audiences erupted into cheers at the end. Again, contrary to all the hate you hear coming form the net crowd.

Probably still high from the movie they just saw. After a few days of reflection (and repeat viewings) the cracks start to appear, not long after, they’re ripping the film’s a new a-hole (deservedly so).

Actually, it is quite the opposite for me. I didn’t like the movie after the first viewing, but I began to understand what GL tried (and I began to appreciate it) after repeat viewings and a few days of reflection.

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#1297564
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The Phantom Menace - Theatrical version scanned in 4K (a WIP)
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MonkeyLizard10 said:

cool project

I saw this in 35mm as well as on two different digital projectors back in '99, including what might have been the first commercial digital projection of any film in the world.

Contrary to all the net rage, theaters were packed and people generally seemed pretty happy and were NOT all laughing, raging, etc. decent bit of clapping at the end at many showings.

And for AOTC, people were racing out of the earlier showings, smiling, giving thumbs up to people still on line, saying it was awesome, audiences erupted into cheers at the end. Again, contrary to all the hate you hear coming form the net crowd.

This!

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#1295312
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Info Wanted: Star Wars prequels on VHS - Original theatrical versions?
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I did check the VHS but I didn’t find any difference between the WS VHS and the Laserdisc.
So if the VHS is altered, that means that the LD (and the VCD, the ORF1 broadcast, the Scandinavian C+ broadcast) are also altered. That would mean that there is no theatrical reference at all for TPM: that would be a brand new information with huge consequences on ongoing projects.
That is the reason why I’d like to get evidences, no offense to Jay.

JEDIT: I also captured and checked the VHS “For Your Consideration” (made in 2000 for the Academy Awards): it is exactly the same master as the public VHS and the Laserdisc.
So if the VHS was altered, it was already done in the first months of 2000, and the jury of the Academy Awards didn’t see the theatrical version.

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#1295294
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Info Wanted: Star Wars prequels on VHS - Original theatrical versions?
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Oh my god. Seriously? I tought that this forum was a place where we can debate, and this particular topic about original versions on VHS. Sorry that you take this discussion for a fight. I’m a little bit too old to “feel big” because I “win” in a forum… You know what? Let’s say that you win if it is important for you 😃

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#1295236
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Info Wanted: Star Wars prequels on VHS - Original theatrical versions?
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JayArgonaut said:

In many years past, I remember seeing that listed within the IMDBs Alternate Versions section for TPM.

I’ve been searching on Internet Web Archive (web.archive.org), there are regular backups of the “alternate versions” page since 2003.
I found no mention of any differences on the VHS on any backup of that page. Actually, IMDB doesn’t talk about the VHS release at all.

Here is the most complete content of the “alternate versions” page as it remained until 2015 (this one is from 2009, previous versions shows less details but also nothing about VHS):

Wayback Machine said:

There are two versions of the climactic finale where Darth Maul is killed by Obi-Wan Kenobi. In the original, he is seen falling down the reactor shaft, dead but in one piece. In the updated version (in general release), he is seen falling down the shaft in two pieces, cut in half at the torso. Apparently, original press screenings presented the first version, but the second version is what most people will see to make it clear that Maul is dead.

At the very end of the final credits, after the closing music has faded out, the sound of Darth Vader breathing can be heard. Reportedly, this sound was not in the prints of the film shown during pre-release press screenings.

A few USC students took the Japanese Laserdisc & made their own edit of the movie, cutting out all scenes featuring Jar-Jar Binks and making many other minor tweaks. It became known as the “Phantom Edit”. George Lucas requested to see a copy & then Lucasfilm issued a press release reiterating that it is illegal to copy and/or edit a Lucasfilm property.

The 2001 Special Edition DVD of Episode I features seven deleted but fully remastered scenes and a special documentary featuring George Lucas discussing why they were omitted:
The Coruscant Air Taxi scene features Anakin Skywalker and Jar Jar Binks boarding a air taxi to Senator Palpatine’s quarters.
A scene of the morning of the podrace where Padme Naberrie awakens Anakin on a Tatooine sunrise.
The entire un-cut 22 minute Podrace which includes an introduction to all the drivers.
The Waterfall Sequence features Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi trying to save themselves, Jar-Jar Binks and their bongo sub from going over the Theed Waterfall.
More shots of the Pit droids.
Anakin Skywalker fighting with Greedo after the Pod Race victory which is broken up by Qui-Gon Jinn.

The DVD reinstates footage into the feature and increases its running time by 3 minutes. Restored footage includes the Coruscant air taxi sequence, extended starting grid sequence and extended lap two sequence.

There was a different ending to the brief lightsaber fight on Tatooine between Qui-Gon and Darth Maul. Qui Gon leaps onto the low-flying Queen ship’s ramp, and Darth Maul leaps after him. Qui-Gon swings and knocks the Sith to the desert floor (explaining why in the theatrical release, Maul appears to be getting back on his feet as the ship flies off). This scene appears in the comic book adaptation of the movie, the screenplay, and it seems to have been at least partially filmed since there is a still photo of actors Liam Neeson ( Qui-Gon) and Ray Park (Maul) battling on the ship’s ramp in the still photo section of the Episode 1 DVD. Originaly Qui Gon was to cut part of the ramp that Darth Maul was standing on off with his lightsaber.

UK DVD version is rated ‘PG’ instead of ‘U’ because of the deleted scenes on the supplemental disc. The making-of documentary was edited (ca. 13 sec.) to remove all sexual expletives (a ‘15’ rating was available).

In the theatrical version, right after Sebulba’s name is announced in the podrace opening, there is a shot of Watto, in his booth, cheering on Sebulba with joy. On the DVD, this scene has been omitted from the actual movie on disc 1, but is still present as part of the “extended podrace sequence” on disc 2.

As an “easter egg” (in the options menu on Deleted scenes, press right while selecting the two first scenes to highlight a little button and select it), there are two bits that were even deleted from the deleted scenes. One of them is a very brief shot of Jabba’s POV of the little “toad” he eats, before he bites his head off. The other one is during the podrace, which shows a bug splatting on one of the racers face (the one with a donut-like pod) while he pokes his head out to see, which makes him lose control for a second and nearly crash Anakin (this scene is present except for the bug thing).

(I don’t pretend that I’m 100% sure that the Widescreen VHS was not altered, I just don’t find any evidence…)

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#1294830
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Info Wanted: Star Wars prequels on VHS - Original theatrical versions?
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😃

No altercation at all, I would really love to learn something about TPM home releases. Knowing that the widescreen VHS and the Laserdisc would not present the theatrical version would be a brand new information. So I really hope that Ryan-SWI will give evidence showing that I was wrong!

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#1294789
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Info Wanted: Star Wars prequels on VHS - Original theatrical versions?
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Thank you for your answer.

Actually, the English subtitles were burned only on English theatrical versions. On international theatrical versions, there was no English subtitle. So the lack of burned subtitles on VHS/LD is not an alteration IMHO, it is conform to the international theatrical version.

The P&S version is obvisouly inaccurate, I won’t discuss about it. But I’m not aware of different audio cues on WS. AFAIK, both VCD and VHS present the theatrical stereo track (and, for LD, the original 6.1 track is also there).
Could you tell me more about those different audio cues?

Anyway, I’m not sure that the Z bootleg was ever used as an audio reference…

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#1294755
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Info Wanted: Star Wars prequels on VHS - Original theatrical versions?
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Ryan-SWI said:

As for that TPM VHS mentioned, that also isn’t the theatrical version. It’s close but it has a few minor alterations to it.

AFAIK, TPM VHS, VCD and Laserdisc contain the theatrical version, as well as early TV broadcasts (Scandinavian C+, Austrian ORF1…). What “few minor alterations” are you referring to?

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#1287606
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70mm print of the pre-SE Star Wars film on Saturday in Academy Theater in CA!
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Ronster said:

Is this something that could have been found recently or forgotten about?

It seems to be explained here:

Cliffs71 said:

I was there as well. My understanding (unless I totally misunderstood what Dykstra said) was that this print was a 70mm UK print struck in the early 90s for one off special screenings, such as charity events. It was damaged the first time it was run with a decent 2’ / 2 second tear during the explosion of the Death Star (which is in the MIDDLE of the final reel). It was immediately pulled from circulation and left gathering dust, never to be run again for 25 or so years. Dykstra made it sound like the Academy projectionist is the one that actually repaired the damage which allowed it to be shown again (which might also explain why it was a last minute announce/addition to the programming).

As for the print itself… Holy Jeebus! I can’t imagine it looked any better opening day of any of the 70mm re-releases. It was gorgeous and other than that 2 seconds of damage (which, BTW, didn’t require any frames to be lost to repair and didn’t affect the sound), the print was pretty immaculate. Dykstra did say there was considerable effort of the part of many to get Lucas’s approval, so I sadly wouldn’t hold out much hope that this print suddenly finds its way into more and more screenings. I think it could be seen again, but my gut tells me (to quote Indy) only on special occasions. The bigger news to me though is just the knowledge that this exists in the first place and therefore it IS possible should that occasion ever happen.

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#1286665
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The Phantom Menace - Theatrical version scanned in 4K (a WIP)
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The project is moving forward, with the usual hazards for this kind of project (we are still waiting for a new 4K sensor that is stuck somewhere by a Japanese supplier).

In the meantime, I’ll post screenshots made from the first test scan (720p) ASAP so you can compare raw colors to official releases.

And as Omni and RU.08 say, it’s a long way, you’ll need to be patient… I’ll keep you informed of course!

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#1282370
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The Phantom Menace - Theatrical version scanned in 4K (a WIP)
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dahmage said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Morphzero said:

Is there going to be a Grindhouse release of this? I’d love to see all of the scenes that were removed for the VHS/DVD/Blu Ray.
Like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Uvad9uSc9k

Nothing was removed for the VHS or laserdisc. Those are both the theatrical version. And

you are a master of suspense

Yes, you

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#1282342
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The Phantom Menace - Theatrical version scanned in 4K (a WIP)
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alexp120 said:

Morphzero said:

Is there going to be a Grindhouse release of this?

I second that.

The Gen X’ers and Millennials, here, first saw the TPM on the big screen via 35mm prints. Despite the film’s short-comings—for me, it was the lack of humor…JarJar’s comic relief wasn’t enough—seeing those random flashes of dust-marks, and reel-change cue marks on TPM, would bring me back to a happier time at the movies.

^

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#1282296
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The Phantom Menace - Theatrical version scanned in 4K (a WIP)
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Omni said:

Great! Will you be needing donations to cover any costs?

Thank you for asking.
The entire process will probably cost about $10k, but I don’t want to ask for money, since many people (including me) already made donations for other aborted projects.
So let’s say that there is no donation for now. I’ll see later, with other OT members, if something can/must be asked.