YodaFan67

I am eventually going to make a crawl in blender with the following text:

As the rebels gather their strength for a final attack, Luke Skywalker has returned to the hidden planet of Dagobah to complete his Jedi training.

Struggling to face the revelation of Darth Vader, he awaits word from his friends as they prepare to rescue Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Janna the Hutt.

Little do they know that the EMPEROR, determined to secure his rule once and for all, has been constructing a battle station even more powerful than the first dreaded Death Star…

For example, do they or do they not include “a new hope” in the crawl?

How about a PT-era film showing Obi-wan in the service of Bail Organa?

I honestly don’t care if this is spoiled for me. Not sure why, but I don’t.

ray_afraid said:

YodaFan67 said:

Cobra Kai said:

Yes, she never said anything of the sort. It’s pretty obvious after watching the full, uncut video. At first she had no clue what the guy was talking about. And then he has to specify and asks specifically if they will make further changes to the “special editions.”

That being said, I don’t think they have any plans to release the OUT.

If she couldn’t tell what he was hinting at, I don’t think we’re getting the OOT anytime soon.

I wouldn’t have known he was taking about releasing the unaltered trilogy either.

Oh. Heh, I didn’t actually watch the clip, so I might’ve underestimated how unclear the question was.

Cobra Kai said:

Yes, she never said anything of the sort. It’s pretty obvious after watching the full, uncut video. At first she had no clue what the guy was talking about. And then he has to specify and asks specifically if they will make further changes to the “special editions.”

That being said, I don’t think they have any plans to release the OUT.

If she couldn’t tell what he was hinting at, I don’t think we’re getting the OOT anytime soon.

ChainsawAsh said:

I’m actually pretty excited to throw together a rough cut of this (including the deleted scenes). Here’s hoping I don’t have to work Saturday!

Looking forward to what you create (assuming you have the time)!

DominicCobb said:

darth_ender said:

To me, I’d rather watch a movie in SD with effective use of deleted scenes than a movie in HD missing out on its full storyline potential.

I think the problem with the deleted scenes is more about film damage.

I made a version of the light saber scene once that I didn’t think was too bad. It wasn’t perfect, but I thought it was passable.

NeverarGreat said:

It is a time of open war. As the Rebellion gathers its strength for a decisive strike, Luke Skywalker has returned to the hidden world of Dagobah to complete his Jedi training.

Unable to face the revelations of Darth Vader, he awaits a summons from his friends as they attempt to rescue Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt.

Little do they know that the EMPEROR, intent on completing his Imperial fortress, has been secretly constructing a Death Star to secure his tyrannical rule once and for all…

I prefer this one. It has a little more punch to it. “Question of his true father” was a little clunky.

Man, I just love this idea though. It’s strange how an adjustment to the opening crawl can make the movie so much better. It’s weird, but for me, this aspect of the original film always bothered me.

NeverarGreat’s revised crawl brings with it these general improvements to the overal feel/tone/plot of Jedi, at least for me:
-It explains why Luke has progressed as a Jedi.
-Yoda does truly feel like an old friend, now that Luke has spent much time with him.
-instead of Yoda happening to die when Luke shows up, its more like he was already sickening and was just holding out until Luke could finish rescuing his friend.
-when Yoda says “your training is complete”, it actually makes sense. In the original version, it seems like he’s contrdicting himself from ESB, saying “eh, now that I’m sick, you don’t need training.”
-You can tell that the question of Luke’s father is something both of them have avoided. Only until the matter at hand is resolved (rescuing Han) and Yoda is on his deathbed, do both of them confront the uncomfortable truth.
-Since Luke is on Dagobah (never shown but that’s what the crawl tells us), and not Tatooine, his arrival at Jabba’s palace is even more enigmatic and cool. It really makes him seem like an awesome Jedi coming to rescue his friends

Bingowings said:

Here’s fun.
Yoda and Kenobi died in prequels.
They were projections of Anakin’s memories in the original films given substance by the good man still trapped in Vader.
This is why they begin to fade away. As Luke becomes stronger Anakin’s tangible living son becomes a better incarnation of the light side in his character.

Weirdly that sounds pretty awesome.

Valheru_84 said:

I always got the impression that Luke had returned to Dagobah in between films and completed his training. As said, there is a feeling of a decent amount of timing having passed (on the order of at least months to half a year or more) and a distinct shift in Luke’s manner, maturity and mastery on some level of the force. It would be cool to see a few scenes like Luke constructing his Lightsabre but in my mind theyre completely unnecessary and I don’t know how you’d integrate them into the movie anyway without completely changing the tone of the movie, especially at the start with the rescue mission at Jabba’s palace.

Yeah, many others feel the same way you do, which is why the “crawl edit”, which simply edits the opening crawl of Jedi so that it explains that Luke did go to Dagobah for training, has some people excited.

All those interested in the revised crawl/Luke going to Dagobah before Tatooine idea, see this thread:
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/ROTJ-Pre-film-Training-Edit/id/56623
Since Adywan is going to focus on other changes there is no reason to discuss it here anymore

When Luke is introduced in ROTJ, he seems more mature than he was in ESB. He has also built a lightsaber. This and other things seem to lend to the belief that Luke trained with Yoda prior to the events of ROTJ. However, in Jedi, officially Luke has done no training with Yoda.

“There are several things in the movie that let’s the audience know that some time has passed.
Luke’s demeanor is very different, showing a shift in his character and maturity since we last saw him. He’ built a new lightsaber. That means hes tracked down the how-to guide and all the parts n pieces. Maybe you can do that in an evening, but I’m doubting it. He’s wearing Jedi robes/outfit indicating that he’s become more involved in the Jedi ways.
Lando has infiltrated Jabbas palace to the point that he can walk around there freely and seems to have some sort of guard job. Luke & Co. knew where Han was being taken, but it’s not a place you can just walk into and do as you please. It would take time to work your way in and be accepted as part of the gang. That don’t happen overnight either.
Yoda has gotten very weak and is about to die. No signs of that last time we saw him.”
-ray_afraid

This was a hot topic of discussion in the ROTJ-Revisited thread (see http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/STAR-WARS-EP-VI-RETURN-OF-THE-JEDI-REVISITED-EDITIONADYWAN-NOW-IN-PRODUCTION/id/56441/page/24 ), however, Adywan has said he will not make changes to the crawl or do any restructuring. This is completely understandable, Adywan obviously wants to focus on fx improvement and changes that are more universally agreed upon (like Endor battle expansions).
However, that doesn’t mean this issue cannot be addressed in a separate fanedit!

Thanks to the following users (sorry if I forgot any):
Nhoj3
ray_afraid
DominicCobb
.Mac.
darth_ender
NeverarGreat
ChainsawAsh

Restructuring the first act (moving endor scenes to beginning) was discussed, but some feel that it creates as many problems as it fixes. For example, Luke is wearing his glove and he shows up late to the Rebel briefing. Still, I’ve always thought Jedi could use a good restructuring, so some people are going to try this, even if it doesn’t get past the proof of concept phase.

The other edit is much less radical. Nhoj3 came up with the great idea of instead revising the crawl to say that Luke has been on Dagobah, but has since left. After some discussion, NeverarGreat came up with a better crawl that addressed the issue of Luke asking Yoda about his parentage. This is that crawl:

It is a time of open war. As the Rebellion gathers its strength for a decisive strike, Luke Skywalker has returned to the hidden world of Dagobah to complete his Jedi training.

Unable to face the question of his true father, he awaits word from his friends as they prepare to rescue Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt.

Little do they know that the GALACTIC EMPIRE has secretly been constructing a new armored space station even more powerful than the first dreaded Death Star…

The plan for this edit will be to put this opening crawl at the beginning of ROTJ, as well as the removal of Luke’s line “I have a promise to keep to an old friend" now simply say “that’s right R2 we’re going to the Dagobah system”.

nhoj3 said:
While his friends have scoured the galaxy for Han Solo, Luke Skywalker has evaded Darth Vader’s relentless pursuit by continuing his Jedi training on the secret planet of Dagobah.

With Han finally discovered in the lair of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt, Luke has left his training once again to join his friends in a daring rescue attempt.

Little do they know that the GALACTIC EMPIRE has secretly been constructing a new armored space station even more powerful than the first dreaded Death Star…

Which leads into the opening of the movie as we know it. It’s not perfect but it does address a few issues:

1. Luke’s training DID continue after ESB and his powers have justifiably improved
2. It better explains why the rescue team didn’t go in as a single team
3. It ties in nicely with ESB and ROTJ dialogue of Vader’s search for Luke
4. Replacing the word “begun” with “been” suggests that DS2 construction has been going on for longer, better justifying it’s advanced progress.
5. It allows for Luke to separate and rejoin the fleet as depicted in the original cut

Granted it begs a few questions. Why did Luke wait to ask “the big question”. Still I think it would work, as Mark Hamill’s delivery of “IS Darth Vader my father?” sounds like a question that has been asked many times before. Some of Yoda’s response may have to be trimmed to make it work, but I really think that it’s worth considering.

I like it. In fact, I may have to concede it makes more sense than my “restructuring” idea.
About “the question”, I think the script hints that Yoda has been dodging the question, which to me can be used as evidence that Luke had tried to get an answer out of him before.

Yoda: One thing remains… Vader. You must confront Vader. Then, only then, a Jedi will you be. And confront him you will.
Luke: Master Yoda…is Darth Vader my father?
Yoda: Rest I need. Yes. Rest.
Luke: Yoda, I must know.
Yoda: (reluctantly) Your father he is.

^I can second that opinion. It’s all fiction anyway, so who cares? Just read the novels and spinoff series that might interest you. No one cares about “canon” except for the OCD nerds who edit Wookieepedia.

Morgan the Boost said:

There have been times “Star Wars” in general has been supplanted in my life by other things I’m an enthusiast for, but I always come home.

^For me, this

I just can’t see the OOT ever getting released on its own. As a 2nd disc feature, maybe.

Jani-wan said:

YodaFan67 said:

I only have one suggestion for this, but I think it improves the film greatly:
Start the film with Luke on Dagobah
It just makes so much more sense

Do you have friends?
How long would you let them hangin on a wall? Weeks? Month? If they survive that long at all.

Luke does not need training to face Jabba. He wasn’t ready for Vader, but he was already very good. All he needs is to recover, and come up with a plan.

BTW ain’t all rebel plans seem completely stupid?
In Rogue One, they fly into an Imperial installation with zero planning, and as a result they die. Then a whole fleet follows with zero planning, and most of them die.
In TNH they attack the Death Star with 30 fighters (lol) trying to hit a small hole.
4 ships survive. One of them is not a rebel ship.
In ESB they fight AT-ATs with snowspeeders, that have no chance to even scratch them with their lasers. If not for Luke, Rogue Squadron dies, and every single Imperial soldier goes home without a scratch.
And in ROTJ the whole Alliance is walking into a trap.
Safe to say, they are really not that good at planning.

Fair point. I guess my thinking is that it resolves the coincidence that Yoda does right when he shows up.

I only have one suggestion for this, but I think it improves the film greatly:
Start the film with Luke on Dagobah
It just makes so much more sense, and focuses the whole film around the central conflict, that of Luke vs. Vader. The scenes would progress as follow:
OPENING CRAWL
-“Luke has returned to Dagobah to complete his Jedi Training. Meanwhile, Lando has traveled to Tattooine to prepare to rescue Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt.”

VADER CONFRONTS JERJEROD

LUKE AND YODA

LUKE AND BEN

THE EMPEROR ARRIVES AT THE DEATH STAR II

THEN A DELETED SCENE
-We would then use the “Luke’s lightsaber” deleted scene to transition to Tatooine. The scene starts with Vader walking down the hallway of the Death Star (here, presumably right after talking to the Emperor). He then walks to his meditation chamber, and communicates with Luke…
-…who is in a cave on Tatooine. This establishes for the audience that Luke has traveled from Dagobah to Tatooine.

THEN R2 AND C3PO GO TO JABBA’S PALACE
And the rest of the film proceeds normally.

GlastoEls said:

YodaFan67 said:

How to direct a Disney Star Wars film:
#1) Please Kathleen Kennedy.
#2) Always make sure you know what #1 means.

To be fair, she knows her away around a successful film production…

Of course. I wasn’t necessarily saying it’s a bad thing.

How to direct a Disney Star Wars film:
#1) Please Kathleen Kennedy.
#2) Always make sure you know what #1 means.

Okay, I’m a little late to the party here, so sorry if someone already posted something like this, but…

Why would anyone ever want to direct a star wars movie now? This is the third director they’ve kicked off a project! What director wants to submit himself to micromanaging, intense corporate scrutiny, just to be kicked out when Lucasfilm decides they’ve had enough of you?

JEDIT: Just checked, It’s actually the fourth director they’ve dropped, though two of them were partners.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2017/09/06/colin-trevorrows-star-wars-sacking-shows-franchise-creative/

ben_danger said:

I think maybe Editroid missing the point where the subjective agenda we have here (ie favouring the OT), not what the general populous has who go on IMDB. One day there might be a PT.com that edits the OT to match the PT.

I think that already happened. They were called the “Special Editions”. 😉

nice

Editroid said:

How do I get into MySpleen?

Go to the invite thread in “off topic”.