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- The Dark Knight Trilogy - Theatrical Preservation. (* unfinished project *)
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Guys, we need a DCP rip. Plain and simple.
Guys, we need a DCP rip. Plain and simple.
That motorbike engine thing is because it was the point of a reel change in theaters. So basically the audio was mixed that way to bridge both reels with no sound interruption.
The correct color grading for MM1 is the one from the DVD, just like MM2.
However the difference is not as drastic. You can restore the real colors of MM1 basically by making adjustments on your TV for a brighter and more contrasted image, with better color saturation.
Awesome!
Thanks, awesome!
Yes, it's that one. All the others have the 2000 remix in various bitrates.
I think that DVD is probably the best preservation of the CDS mix, it's at 384kbps
The laserdiscs mostly have the Dolby Surround mix, there were a few with the CDS mix in AC3 but due to the way those early AC3 laserdiscs were, it's probably a pain to get all the tracks ripped.
This is the LD version of the DVD
http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/21959/LD68952-2DD/Terminator-2:-Judgment-Day-(1991)
Finally managed to see this. Thank to DJ and Team Blu what an astonishing preservation.
I"m amazed how good the CDS mix sounds. I assume it's from an old Laserdisc. The DS mix which was from the Japanese version (which I own) sounds good too.
Here's a recap of the two different mixes using info taken here and there.
I assume there are only two mixes for T2, and no further remix was made after the UE remix?
Terminator 2 soundtracks history
1991 - CDS MIX
T2 - original Artisan DVD uses as sound master for the 5.1 Dolby Digital soundtrack the unlimited mix created for the Cinema Digital Sound prints. No other DVD or Blu-ray has used the CDS mix. The CDS mix has a more "quadraphonic" soundfield to it with lots of side-wall phantom imaging. You can hear the dramatic difference in the first few minutes of the film. The CDS mix is the best both in overall fidelity and in the amazing sound imaging - its almost holographic.
The first T2 DVD of the theatrical cut from Artisan uses the same 5.1 channel mix that was prepared for the 70mm Kodak/ORC Cinema Digital Sound prints. Although T2 was also release in 6-track mag 70mm, the CDS 5.1 mix was completely unlimited in dynamics and had deeper bass since 70mm mag can't go lower than about 30 Hz in the bass and can only have peaks about 16db or so above reference level.
The CDS mix had peaks +20db above reference and bass to below 20 Hz. Because CDS was basically brand new, the CDS mix for T2 was prepared separately from the 70mm 6-track mag version to take advantage of the CDS system.
For the DVD, Artisan used the CDS 5.1 digital master, which had been archived on the S-VHS ADAT format. CDS was a lossless 44.1kHz sampling, 16-bit system that used a modified form of Delta Modulation to pack the audio into a total bitrate of just over 5mbp/s.
Ultimate DVD remix
After locating all the materials of the film for Artisan Ultimate T2 DVD, Van brought in Gary Rydstrom, the movie's original sound designer and the re-recording mixer who had won two of his four Oscars for T2, to begin re-mixing the entire movie and adjust it to near-field listening environments. "We did the mix last November," Van recalls. He and Lightstorm representatives went to George Lucas' Skywalker Ranch to remix the movie's soundtrack for use on the DVD. It took them about a week to do the work needed for both versions of the film and several other elements for the disc. "Luckily in 1993 when we did the Special Edition Laserdisc, we tried to do all the audio materials in six track, which helped us immensely now."
The soundtrack for the previous DVD release of T2 was created using a Sony linear 6-track, but for this release, Van and Gary went back to the original source elements they found. The result is a brand new 5.1 Dolby Digital mix that even contains spatial information for an additional rear center speaker as outlined in the Dolby Surround EX specifications. "The disc will actually contain the Dolby Digital 5.1 plus-EX track and a Dolby Digital 2.0 mix".
EDIT: I just tried to get T2 and somehow, my ratio didn't move after DLing it, then, it totally erased my DL when I did a verification -- I think it's a problem on the tracker.
Now I have to get it again, after spending the night getting it lol
Thankx DJ, DLing now :)
I noticed too, I sent a bunch of invites per request to MS, and either they weren't used, or the new members just DLed what they wanted and got out.
This is making the invitations provider look bad, so please people be responsible.
Can't wait to see this project, if any kind soul can offer an invite, PM me. Thanks!
Saw TDK at a press screening, and the Blu-ray doesn't match what I saw at all. Period. The parking lot scene (when Batman jumps from above and crushes the car) was absolutely breathtakingly crystal clear and beautiful.
Remember, Nolan tried to match this film look to Michael Mann's HEAT. Does the Blu looks like a Mann's palette? Nope.
If anyone have an invite, thanks to PM me too ;)
Just a heads up re T2, this is how the opening bar scene was color timed in the theatrical prints back in 1991. On all video transfers, Cameron changed the color timing so that the scene could be clearer on then tube TVs.
I think any remaster should restore back the original theatrical color timing.
Ditto, thanks if anyone can PM me with an invite for BT. Cheers
Sorry didn't mean to derail this thread.
Mods, can you take page 2 posts and put them into their own thread?
"James Cameron open matte transfers" thread
Thank you
Pretty interesting. Does it work when you are converting, or does it work at the extraction stage?
Say, if I rip a disc with Mac The Ripper, I'm not sure it changes anything to the audio.
However if I extract an AC3 track, then convert it to DTS-HD, does it resets to master settings?
Thanks
Just found out on myspleen a preservation of T2 in full screen pan & scan from a foreign DVD. Awesome!
I would kill for a preservation of Aliens Full Screen as well as Terminator, and Titanic.
Note: these versions show more top & bottom picture. Were supervised by Cameron. Hence the interest.
I concur re Predator, the open matte version showed way more info.
Wasn't it on Laserdisc?
I saw TDK in digital and the print was just magnificent, absolutely astonishing PQ and colors.
The Blu-ray is the worst piece of shit I have ever seen.
Burned it twice, each time the Blu won't play and toast control finds an error. There's something wrong with the upload.
Looks awesome! Any invite for Blu torrent left ? Thanks
Hi man
A bit tight for the past months, but I can contribute if you wanna get this in the next 2/3 months.
I'd say up to 100 bucks.
Did you get it? If not PM me.
This is just mind blowingly AWESOME!!!!