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#754708
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Info: Terminator 2 - in search of the theatrical sound mix...
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Yes, it's that one. All the others have the 2000 remix in various bitrates.

I think that DVD is probably the best preservation of the CDS mix, it's at 384kbps 

The laserdiscs mostly have the Dolby Surround mix, there were a few with the CDS mix in AC3 but due to the way those early AC3 laserdiscs were, it's probably a pain to get all the tracks ripped.

This is the LD version of the DVD

http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/21959/LD68952-2DD/Terminator-2:-Judgment-Day-(1991)

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#754557
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Info: Terminator 2 - in search of the theatrical sound mix...
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Here's a recap of the two different mixes using info taken here and there.

I assume there are only two mixes for T2, and no further remix was made after the UE remix?

Terminator 2 soundtracks history

1991 - CDS MIX

 

T2 - original Artisan DVD uses as sound master for the 5.1 Dolby Digital soundtrack the unlimited mix created for the Cinema Digital Sound prints. No other DVD or Blu-ray has used the CDS mix. The CDS mix has a more "quadraphonic" soundfield to it with lots of side-wall phantom imaging. You can hear the dramatic difference in the first few minutes of the film. The CDS mix is the best both in overall fidelity and in the amazing sound imaging - its almost holographic.

 

The first T2 DVD of the theatrical cut from Artisan uses the same 5.1 channel mix that was prepared for the 70mm Kodak/ORC Cinema Digital Sound prints. Although T2 was also release in 6-track mag 70mm, the CDS 5.1 mix was completely unlimited in dynamics and had deeper bass since 70mm mag can't go lower than about 30 Hz in the bass and can only have peaks about 16db or so above reference level.

 

The CDS mix had peaks +20db above reference and bass to below 20 Hz. Because CDS was basically brand new, the CDS mix for T2 was prepared separately from the 70mm 6-track mag version to take advantage of the CDS system.

 

For the DVD, Artisan used the CDS 5.1 digital master, which had been archived on the S-VHS ADAT format. CDS was a lossless 44.1kHz sampling, 16-bit system that used a modified form of Delta Modulation to pack the audio into a total bitrate of just over 5mbp/s.

 

 

Ultimate DVD remix

 

After locating all the materials of the film for Artisan Ultimate T2 DVD, Van brought in Gary Rydstrom, the movie's original sound designer and the re-recording mixer who had won two of his four Oscars for T2, to begin re-mixing the entire movie and adjust it to near-field listening environments. "We did the mix last November," Van recalls. He and Lightstorm representatives went to George Lucas' Skywalker Ranch to remix the movie's soundtrack for use on the DVD. It took them about a week to do the work needed for both versions of the film and several other elements for the disc. "Luckily in 1993 when we did the Special Edition Laserdisc, we tried to do all the audio materials in six track, which helped us immensely now."

 

The soundtrack for the previous DVD release of T2 was created using a Sony linear 6-track, but for this release, Van and Gary went back to the original source elements they found. The result is a brand new 5.1 Dolby Digital mix that even contains spatial information for an additional rear center speaker as outlined in the Dolby Surround EX specifications. "The disc will actually contain the Dolby Digital 5.1 plus-EX track and a Dolby Digital 2.0 mix".

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#751836
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The Dark Knight Trilogy - Theatrical Preservation. (* unfinished project *)
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Saw TDK at a press screening, and the Blu-ray doesn't match what I saw at all. Period. The parking lot scene (when Batman jumps from above and crushes the car) was absolutely breathtakingly crystal clear and beautiful.

Remember, Nolan tried to match this film look to Michael Mann's HEAT. Does the Blu looks like a Mann's palette? Nope.