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#1111525
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Dom's Useless Prequel Edits
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Pretty cool, you tackled one of the strangest and most unnatural sequences in the entire PT and injected some life into it for sure!

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#1105084
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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RoccondilRinon said:

My suggestion was only for an Adywan-approved project; I entirely agree that no one else’s project should carry the name “Revisited”. For that matter, there’s no reason a collaborative PT:R attempt would have to use the name if it was done with Ady’s approval, ideas and/or creative input.

Either way, it’d be quite a while off, even if ROTJ:R comes faster than anyone expects. I don’t want this to derail the thread; it was just food for thought.

I mean… Adywan doesn’t own the word “Revisited” or anything but yeah, I guess someone more passionate could do that. There are, however, several editors working on some pretty radical edits of the prequels already, I’d also check those out. There’s also some really mind-blowing suggestions in this thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Prequel-Radical-Redux-Ideas-Thread/id/9911

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#1103692
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Smithers' Star Wars 2-part Prequel Fanedits
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Vladius said:

I would really prefer you not use the Maul fan film footage. It looks really out of place (particularly with the next scene being about stealth,) and I don’t think it makes sense visually - it looks like he’s training on his ship in mid flight, but the ship couldn’t be that big because its scale is established when he lands. It’s also unclear what he’s pushing buttons on the display for - is it involved with tracking the Jedi, or this weird pseudo-flashback training scene?

Maul is really cool (relatively) when he’s introduced in the original film because he’s (relatively) so mysterious, so showing him flipping all over the place with a fully lit lightsaber blocking dozens of shots in front of a glowing blue display seems like way too much, too early, and doesn’t really add to his character. The flipping and lightsaber skills are already established in the original film. The problem with his characterization was never that there aren’t enough scenes of him using a lightsaber, it’s that those are almost his only scenes. Not to mention the actor has a different head and facial structure from Ray Park, though that’s a minor point.

Yes I understand where you’re coming from, however, those scenes I previewed have evolved and been heavily altered along with being color corrected and having grain added in to match up with the footage. The fan film has been completely butchered, rearranged, and rescored, all for the purpose of making it less ill-fitting.

With that said I’m really excited about this edit and I think it’s more ambitious than most. The few times I’ve tried my hand at cutting the prequels, I usually ended up at the same structure you have: two films, mostly killing AOTC because it sucks, and splicing its good parts into the other two. I love your ideas and your dedication.

Thanks man! And yes, even the parts of AOTC that survived are completely reworked and will be barely recognizable.

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#1080678
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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IsanRido said:

Transfer all of Anakin’s anger from Obi-Wan to Mace Windu. For instance, his response to Padme’s “you are more mature now” could easily be edited to “Master Windu manages not to see it”. Cut his rant. This could tie with Windu’s distrust of Anakin in the first film, and would pay off when he gets his hand chopped off. This way you can retain a good friendship with Obi-Wan and frustration with the Council.

Good example of the line change there, I like it!

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#1067796
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Smithers' Star Wars 2-part Prequel Fanedits
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OH MY GOD IT’S BEEN MONTHS

Sorry guys, I’m a busy dude lately but in favour of the edit, I got a really bad throat infection, I can barely speak, hear, or smell, but that means I get time off work and school to get chugging away on my hobbies. Lightworks recently made a solid new update that makes my editing process much easier and I’m super happy about that. I plan on soon releasing a montage of concept clips that demonstrate some outlandish ideas I have for this edit so stay tuned for that. The first rough cut is 100% finished, now I’m fine tuning audio, doing VFX, and I’ve just set up my recording equipment for the audio dubbing. I know this is taking a super long time but I don’t want to rush this thing out, stay tuned people! And thanks for all of the support!

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#1047959
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Bingowings said:

As much as I’m going to get punished for this I would really like to see an edit where Grevious is replaced with Darth Jar Jar just to see what it’s like.

As a serious plot point or for irony? Maybe if both were dubbed by a new voice it could be a good twist.

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#1028451
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The Drunk Thread (was: The Durnk Thread)
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I’m not currently intoxicated but starting on December 17th and ending on January 2nd I had been to 5 parties and been drunk 8 times. I don’t think I’m going to be doing anything exciting for the next month, my body can’t take this.

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#1023578
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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1: Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back (9/10)
2: Star Wars (8.5/10)
3: Star Wars: Return of the Jedi (8/10)
4: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (8/10)
5: Star Wars: Rogue One (7.5/10)
6: Star Wars: The Phantom Menace (5.5/10)
7: Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith (5/10)
8: Star Wars: Attack of the Clones (4/10)

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#1023577
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Smithers' Star Wars 2-part Prequel Fanedits
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SUP3RDeathStar said:

How goes production of your edit? This has built up to be my expected go to version once finished and can’t wait!

I’ve been meaning to post updates more frequently, I don’t want to confirm any release dates because I don’t want to disappoint anyone by postponing it. I can assure you, however that it is coming and I haven’t hit any major obstacles for quite some time now, I just need to buckle down when I can and do it.

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#1022014
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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DominicCobb said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

Smithers said:

Having Cornelius Evazan’s (who looked fucking awful) and Ponda Baba’s cameo in there hurt my soul, I don’t know who thought that was a good idea but I was very unpleased by their appearance and so was everyone in the theater both times.

Care to elaborate? I thought they both looked fine, and was super jazzed to see them, as were all my friends.

Evazan looks about 20 years younger than he should. And they linger on the two of them for so long, I guess just in case you didn’t get it? Which is annoying because it’s an easter egg and nothing more. I knew who it was as soon as I heard the line. That’d have been enough. I’d have even lived with a bot more. But that one last extraneous shot that lingers - no good at all.

Exactly! They stare at each other for a good 30 seconds! He doesn’t look right at all, the makeup was fine but his hair and head shape were completely off.

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#1021945
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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detola said:

Same for the soundtrack…
Whywould you not hire John Williams and than try to copy him?

Because it’s not a film from the saga and the soundtrack didn’t copy or imitate him, it borrowed a few select themes from him but did something different with them as well as created it’s own great themes.

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#1021931
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Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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I’ve seen it twice now so I’ve been able to fully embrace the film and make up my mind on what I’ve seen. Not sure if this is the right page to leave a review but I couldn’t find an official review post so here it goes:

The Actual Narrative:

After my first viewing, I left the theater quite disappointed, I actually fell asleep during the first act of the movie which was the first bad sign, I was extremely let down by Saw Gerrara’s character who I had low hopes for anyway but in the final cut of the film I could tell that he had been butchered by a poor performance, being heavily edited down, heavily re-written, and almost 100% re-shot. Saw Gerrara was easily the #1 weak point in the film yet the first hour almost completely revolved around him, his character was obviously supposed to play a major role in the film and most likely be in several flashback sequences where you get to know his relationship with Jynn and the role that he played in developing her as an independent and “rogue” individual. Jynn’s backstory with Saw should have been left in the movie just to develop both of the characters and show how many hardships Jynn went through growing up because of Saw’s extremist beliefs. It’s also worth noting that the most poorly shot parts of the film were the re-shot Saw Gerrara scenes which didn’t help at all. Having almost 100% of the dialogue during the first act revolve around Saw Gerrara was a bad move for a character that ended up being re-shot and chopped out, how do the filmmakers expect us to be involved in the story and the characters if they aren’t?

As for the second act, it also needs some work but was definitely better than the first but still needs some improvement, we see the protagonists all banded together and it really starts to feel exciting, we see the death of Saw which makes no sense, but more on that later. We also see the death of Jynn’s father which is kind of underwhelming but it works. But most importantly, we get some nice action scenes and cool special effects.

The third act was awesome, the space battles IMO were the best since ESB’s asteroid chase. The ground battles indoor fights were really well shot and intense! Killing every character was a nice ballsy move which I wasn’t expecting and the main story had a nice resolution. None of the climax felt fake or convenient, all of the action and emotional scenes were well executed save for a few confusing shots.

Fan Service:

I’m going to have to say I wish there wasn’t any of the ham-fisted fan-service in there even though some of it was pretty cool and/or well done, I don’t think that it was the director’s original vision.

Having Cornelius Evazan’s (who looked fucking awful) and Ponda Baba’s cameo in there hurt my soul, I don’t know who thought that was a good idea but I was very unpleased by their appearance and so was everyone in the theater both times.

C3PO’s and R2D2’s cameo was so jarring and unfunny, his line “they never tell me anything” felt like it was written by a child and was unfunny even for the PT’s standards. It was also a pathetically dumb decision to put their cameo right in the middle of a dramatic action scene, this got a few reactions from the audience but they weren’t necessarily good reactions, more of an “oh?” was echoed rather than an applause.

Bail Organa was a nice touch but was overall disappointing. He had absolutely no effect on the final film and his only dialogue was both a reference to Obi-Wan and Leia so he completely felt the same as in ROTS where he just says all the fan-servicey things at the end. I also felt that both times he had no presence in the room during the meetings, it felt like he might’ve been added in after reshoots maybe? In a few of the wide shots of the rebel base he was nowhere to be seen, he was only in the close-ups. I wish they had given him a scene to shine in, maybe give him a speech or a few inspiring lines like the final cutscene from the force unleashed.

CGI Tarkin and CGI Leia were meh. I think Tarkin should’ve looked better because they nailed his facial structure and texture but his mannerisms were off and his facial muscles moved more than Peter Cushing’s did, in ANH, he sits completely still and only moves his mouth very sternly but keeps the rest of his face locked in place, it makes Tarkin a very harsh and intimidating authority which I don’t think the actor who performed the character was able to capture. Leia, on the other hand looked spot on until she changed her facial expression and then she was distractingly off-putting as well. Both of the characters’ voices, however, were spot-on.

The other subtle easter eggs were a nice touch, I noticed the blue milk and other little things which didn’t bother me at all. The references to “hope” were pretty on-the-nose though.

Darth Vader was debatably not needed in the film at all. Both of his scenes were good, I liked hearing James Earl Jones’ voice again and I loved that they replicated the original suit with the red lenses and everything. I feel like Darth Vader was in there so little for one of two reasons: one is that Gareth Edwards really wanted a lot of Darth Vader but Disney and the Producers pushed to have him cut down or that Gareth Edwards wanted little to no Darth Vader but Disney and the Producers pushed to have him added into the film to please mass audiences. Either way, I was satisfied with what we got but I’d like to see if there’s any more footage of him for this movie out there.

Nitpicks:

Why didn’t Darth Vader get sucked into space when he was standing in the open airlock? He might’ve been protected by the suit but he would’ve at least been pulled or floated out. Also, why would K2SO be the one to say “I have a bad feeling about this”? I’m not even going to explain why that was dumb.

Ideas to improve the film:

  • Cut Cassian’s first scene as well as all parts where he’s being questionably evil. He has no ark yet somehow goes from good to bad, it would be better to keep him good from the start or flesh out his character development.

  • Add in all of Saw Gerrara’s lost footage, we needed that badly

  • Add more flashbacks of Jynn’s father so that we feel more involved in that relationship and refer to “stardust” more often than once at the very beginning

  • Push the reveal of the death star to later in the film. During the trailers we hear dialogue of a “weapon’s test” but that doesn’t show up in the film. It would be cool to refer to a big weapon being built but then reveal it fully built and have an emotional impact to the words “death star” halfway through. How I would do this is when Jynn goes to see Saw, they’re immediately ambushed by the empire because they accidentally led spies to Saw’s base so Saw is injured and is unable to give Jynn any information so he gives her the location of her father right before he dies. When Jynn eventually finds her dying father, he reveals everything to her before dying himself, this would add much more depth to the whole plot and explain Saw’s death way better than him deciding to stay in his base for no reason.

Other Points:

The score had me worried knowing that they fired their original composer a month before the film’s release but the final soundtrack was actually pretty damn good, it was very heavy-handed but dare I say it topped TFA’s and AOTC’s. Overall the movie was enjoyable but needed to be edited better and tampered with less, I’d love to see the original shooting script to see exactly what they changed but overall I think the movie was still pretty good.

This film gets a 7.5/10 from me

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#1019926
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Smithers' Star Wars 2-part Prequel Fanedits
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Shit I haven’t posted an update in a while! It’s coming along, TPM looks pretty damn good so far but still needs plenty fine tuning, maybe I should upload that clip I promised two months ago!

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#1015627
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Get ready for &quot;Star Wars - Shroud of the Sith&quot;, a radical fan edit of &quot;The Phantom Menace&quot;
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DuracellEnergizer said:

I’ve been following this thread, but I never really left any comments before now (Suffice it to say, anything positive I’ve had to say others have already said, and in far better words than I could manage.). I’ve never been very interested in checking PT fan-edits out before, but yours has piqued my interest. If you could let me in on the screening, I’d certainly be grateful.

Wow, never thought that’d happen!

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#1013884
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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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The 3D version of TFA looks pretty good, I was actually captivated by the space ship battles unlike most of my other viewings and I found more the visuals to be nicer looking and more intriguing. Some of the more blurry or unfocused shots also looked much better in this version.

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#1013882
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Get ready for &quot;Star Wars - Shroud of the Sith&quot;, a radical fan edit of &quot;The Phantom Menace&quot;
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Sheepish said:

Would you rather:

  1. A screening in the next day or two with everything ready, minus the audio tracks for Jar Jar and Nass (with subtitles present)

or

  1. A complete screening with the audio tracks for Jar Jar and Nass, but not for another week or two.

I’m having a lot of issues with the audio for these two characters, which is the main reason I took some time off of working on this edit (I was just tired of dealing with it and needed a break). I just can’t seem to get it right.

If you’re cool with the lack of gungan voices, I could have a screening ready in the next couple of days, just for you to preview everything else while I figure out what to do about them.

Thoughts?

I’d definitely rather have option two, we can wait a few weeks for a more complete cut and I’m sure you’ll want feedback on the gungan voices as well.

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#1013619
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Last movie seen
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DuracellEnergizer said:

10 Cloverfield Lane (2016)

John Goodman’s wholly predictable character arc + one really shitty ending which doesn’t mesh with the rest of the film = one very heavily overrated romp through mediocrity.

5/10

😦

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