Sheepish

TV’s Frink said:

Sheepish said:

TV’s Frink said:

That_OT_Ruler said:

College is really a bitch.

Perhaps you’ve heard this before, but it’s not really. You have more free time now than you will have afterwards, you just don’t realize it yet.

As a recent college grad, I second this.

Unless you’ve already done so, just wait until you start a family.

Yea, it’s just me at the moment. The thought of starting a family kind of terrifies me at this point in my life.

TV’s Frink said:

That_OT_Ruler said:

College is really a bitch.

Perhaps you’ve heard this before, but it’s not really. You have more free time now than you will have afterwards, you just don’t realize it yet.

As a recent college grad, I second this.

Seriously, enjoy your time now. I was supposed to have my Episode I edit out by February. Well…here it is April and I’m wondering if I’ll make it by May haha. Life really comes at you head first.

Sorry haha. By the way he worded it, it seemed like he was saying it’s been completed after two years of work. My mistake.

I’m not crazy about QGJ having a purple saber, but I’d still like to check this edit out, if you’ve uploaded it.

I’m trying to keep the subtitles to a minimum, as the Neimoidians are already subtitled, so I don’t want to exhaust the viewer by reading subtitles throughout the whole thing. Luckily, most of Jar-Jar’s speaking parts take place in the first half of the film, and I’ve cut a few of them, so I think I can make it work.

But yea, he’s going to start off completely subbed, maybe taking breaks here and there for an English sentence that doesn’t make much sense (but you’ll know what he means). Honestly though, the way his character was handled in TPM kinda works well for what I’m doing. Most of the characters don’t pay him much attention (except for Padme, who he ends up speaking to at the end in full-on English) and sort of take his annoying lines at face value anyway.

Also, it’s worth noting that the Neimoidians WILL speak English to the “ambassadors” at the beginning of the film, but refuse to do so with the Queen (because they do not respect the “child Queen”). So Jar-Jar speaking English to her will also be a big character moment between the two that otherwise was not there.

I think it can work. And if not…well…I’ll go from there.

I’ll post some clips up here once I’ve gotten the voices where I want them.

My current plan, after some consideration, is to interlace his alien speech with one or two English words here and there (most of which are spoken to him previously by QGJ and other humans, if I can manage it), with his first full sentence being “Gungans won’t go down without a fight” to the queen.

Jp4195 said:

im looking forward to this, I cant seem to access the private vimeo clips however even though I used the correct password

There’s only one private vimeo clip: https://vimeo.com/158102839

And the password is “fanedit”.

If that doesn’t work, I really don’t know what to tell you. If it helps, that clip isn’t the final version and has since been updated here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1rS_q3E2-k&feature=youtu.be (this is the most current version I have online)

So, as I’m recording Jar-Jar’s new voice and running into a few issues syncing the voice to the lip movements, a thought dawns on me…

What if Jar-Jar begins in the film as a Gungan who knows very little English, but slowly starts picking it up in pieces here and there over the course of the film, eventually ending in his most powerful line(s) to the Queen: “Gungans won’t go down without a fight. We are warriors…and we share the same enemy now, don’t we?”

Story-wise, this would show Jar-Jar as an intelligent creature (giving Qui-Gon’s statement about “the ability to speak does not make you intelligent” an extra layer of depth, as Jar-Jar’s ability to speak is now one of his defining characteristics), it would give him more of an evolving character arc, and set-up his eventual role as a Senator (which would now make a lot more sense as Jar-Jar being the sort of bilingual intermediary between the Gungans and the Naboo). Plus, it would make his English bits that much more impactful when he says them in progressively greater clarity (like the bit I have of him in the trailer).

Editing-wise, dubbing him with Gungan babble in the scenes where his lips don’t match my lines will be much easier to convincingly accomplish.

What do you guys think?

Hey sorry guys, I’ve actually been working on a film set for the last couple of weeks, so I’ve been a bit mia.

However, I have re-encoded the film with some slight tweaks in the grading, to get rid of a slightly greenish tint in some of the scenes. I probably jumped the gun a bit with the trailer release, but oh well.

I’ve recorded more of the Neimoidian voices, and I’ve gone through and fixed some of the sound mixing issues I’ve been having with the new music pieces.

I’ll have more to show for it when I get back into town later this week 😃

Karl Katarn said:

Great work with the dub’s and the color correction. I really like what I’m seeing.
However, I found the siren in the in the scene very distracting. Maybe if you used a siren similar to the one used in A New Hope would work better. Just a suggestion…

I’ll probably quiet the siren a bit in the final mix, but I like the siren too much not to use it. The one used in New Hope was an Empire siren, so I wanted to use a different siren for the Federation, so it’s not just more of the same thing.

MalàStrana said:

Kanemedhurst said:

I just don’t know about this child Queen idea. If Padme isn’t the queen, wouldn’t keeping the Queen’s voice the same be a good idea to make sure we can tell them apart?

It’s “child Queen”, not “Queen’s child”.

Yes, this. I wasn’t sure what the question was about at first. But yea, Padme is the queen, referred to by the Neimoidians as the “child queen” as a way of not taking her seriously.

Here’s another little segment featuring the Neimoidians and Amidala. There is a siren bit at the beginning that just sort of cuts in. When cutting this segment, somehow the initial siren bit was cut out, so just use your imagination there. But the siren I’ve added into that beginning sequence is an old WWII siren that sounded cool. I created an ambient “space engine” track to fill some of the silence of that scene, and the WWII siren is just icing on the cake. Hopefully you guys like it.

Also worth noting the background music has been replaced with a track from a Star Wars game. I feel this track conveys the tone I’m going for in a much better way.

As for the Neimoidian/Amidala interaction, I added a vocal effect to Amidala’s transmission that I thought sounded interesting. You’ll notice it right away, and I think it’s a great improvement on the original. I’ll probably re-record the Neimoidians in this scene (there are a few moments where I think I got a little too close to the microphone), but this is essentially how they’ll sound.

Here’s the clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ9X9CT6EwQ&feature=youtu.be

liamnotneeson said:

Also, the other Nemodian’s voices don’t match between the two times he speaks. I don’t know where you got them from, so I’m not blaming you. It’s just my opinion

I’m recording them all myself. I did record the Viceroy’s lines on two separate days, so maybe I lost the “rhythm” between the two deliveries along the way. I’ll probably take a day and just re-record them all back to back to maintain consistency.

Smithers said:

Sheepish said:

So, this is what I’m working with for the Neimoidian voices. In this particular scene, they are speaking Neimoidian, obviously. I also have the Viceroy speaking English to the pilot at the beginning of the film, but he speaks Neimoidian to the Queen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uTSdXMvPco&feature=youtu.be

They sound pretty good to me, although the protocol droid sounds to me like a rearranged. IMO the droid should speak english but if you want to record a new voice for it, it doesn’t have to be a girl.

Yea, the droid’s speech is a rearrangement. I wasn’t sure how I was going to approach the droid, but that’s what I’ve got at the moment. My reasoning for having the droid speak Neimoidian is to sort of nod back to C3PO speaking to Ewoks in RotJ. Also, I feel like it makes sense to have the droid speak Neimoidian to the Neimoidians and English to the Jedi. Which is also why I rearranged the pre-existing vocals, to keep the voice consistent. Otherwise, I’ll have to redub all of the droid’s lines.

darth_ender said:

Nice voice effects. Don’t forget to have someone spellchecker your subtitles. “Sympathy” was missing an “m”.

Damnit lol. Thanks for the heads up.

So, this is what I’m working with for the Neimoidian voices. In this particular scene, they are speaking Neimoidian, obviously. I also have the Viceroy speaking English to the pilot at the beginning of the film, but he speaks Neimoidian to the Queen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uTSdXMvPco&feature=youtu.be

ImperialFighter said:

Sheepish said:

I think you’re referring to me, instead of Smithers. But yea, I’m bouncing back and forth between “Shroud of the Sith” and “Shroud of the Dark Side”. I didn’t realize there was another edit called “Shroud of the Dark Side”, so I’ll probably stick with the “Sith” version.

Sorry about that Sheepish, I got you both mixed up as I was typing that quickly. As for your title, ‘Shroud of the Sith’ sounds good too, if you decide to go with that.

It’s all good. And thanks. More than likely, I’ll end up going with “Shroud of the Sith”

dkeighobadi said:

And yea, I’m still on the fence about adding Dooku into the council scene(s). There are pros and cons. For me, I feel like Dooku would already be struggling with the Jedi order at this point and probably wouldn’t be sitting in on every council meeting. Or if he was, someone like Yoda or Windu would sense his confusion/conflict in the same way they’d sense Anakin’s fear. For that reason alone, I feel like Dooku wouldn’t want to be around them. This would also explain his isolation at the funeral.

On the flip side of this, Dooku would have more of an impact at the end of the film if he and QGJ shared screen time at an earlier point. If he is seen with the council earlier on, then his leaving would definitely carry more weight, I think. But at the same time, keeping him a mystery/cliffhanger at the end works extremely well for the first “episode” of a saga. It’s a difficult piece of the puzzle to place.

So DIFFICULT.

Honestly it could go either way and it would be valid. Personally I’d like to see him. Just once, he doesn’t even need to say anything. Just have him there. But on the otherhand, if you wanted to make this more sequel-ish I’m guessing you’d go more toward the mystery plot.

When I get back into town, I’ll probably do a mock-up of Dooku on the council or something for a scene, and see what you guys think of it.

To be honest though, at the moment I’m leaning toward just showing Dooku at the end.

ImperialFighter said:

Smithers, I noticed from your YouTube trailer that you’re now using the words ‘Shroud of the Dark Side’ instead of ‘Shroud of the Sith’ which you named this thread with, which reminded me of the following edit -

I don’t normally comment on/review other people’s editing choices for the prequels, as I have very strongly-held, specific ‘cutlists’ of my own planned for each of them…but just as an aside, I came across this recently posted edit called ‘StarWars Episode I-III Shroud of the DarkSide Prequel Trilogy (Fan Edit) - RE-EDITED’…which has some ‘interestingly’-spelt words in it’s new scroll…

After all that effort, poor guy, heh. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgvZxBbh6dE

I think you’re referring to me, instead of Smithers. But yea, I’m bouncing back and forth between “Shroud of the Sith” and “Shroud of the Dark Side”. I didn’t realize there was another edit called “Shroud of the Dark Side”, so I’ll probably stick with the “Sith” version.

That being said…that crawl was tough to get through. And the paragraph alignment was already all over the place. I’d like to give the rest of his edit the benefit of the doubt, but it makes me wonder. Maybe one of us should help this person out?

sansuni said:

I love your ideas, especially when it comes to Count Doku. I always thought he should have been in the first movie. (along with a few other characters, I had posted some great ideas in the “radical prequel ideas” thread I think.) I have a suggestion though. Could you somehow remove Jar Jar from Tattoine entirely? (lets say that he never left the ship as since he is useless he has no purpose fallowing them along.) And remove little Anakin from the final battle? (lets say that he stayed at the Jedi Temple. Because why would they bring a child along to the war zone?)

That would make the movie much much better I think. (I tried to do just that in my edit but I no longer have the time)

I’m sure a decent cut could be made without Jar Jar on Tatooine and Anakin absent from the climax, but that’s not currently what my goals are. I’ve rewritten Jar Jar to have much more of a purpose, and he really needs to be on Tatooine for at least a few scenes in particular.

And In my edit, Anakin destroying the control ship is what wins the whole battle for everyone. He also has a big “use the force” moment in the climax that I think really helps his character arc.

So, yea. Those scenes will remain, at least in my edit. But I’m sure there are cuts out there that do what you’re suggesting.

Darth Lucas said:

Would it be possible to have a quick scene maybe after the council scene where Obi wan overhears a conversation between qui gon and dooku? You wouldn’t even really have to see them, they could be on another side of a wall or something. And Obi wan is just overhearing. Theres gotta be phantom menace footage of Obi wan walking and then standing around looking concerned that could be rotoscoped onto a new background.

And both Liam Neeson and Christopher Lee have a wide enough body of work to pull dialogue from. I imagine there’s quite a bit of useful dialogue you could pull from hobbit/lotr.

You probably could. But even so, if you don’t actually see Dooku talking to Qui Gon, you won’t know that the guy at the funeral is even him. I mean, if you know the series, then you would, and it’s fine. But I think part of the storytelling issues in the prequels is the over-reliance of pre-existing knowledge of the other films. Leaning on this crutch in an edit, I think, is a mistake.

I’m doing my best to treat this edit as an introduction to the Star Wars mythos, to the extent I can.

saf1916 said:

darthrush said:

This definetly has taken my interest for possibly taking the throne of my definitive TPM edit once your finished. Might I ask, if you will retain any of Sidious’s hologram scenes. When cut out, I feel it raises the mystery of Darth Maul and makes Yodas final thought at Qui-gons funeral even more thought provoking. Thanks for your efforts!!

Agreed. This sounds incredible!
I haven’t been able to check out any of the clips yet, but it sounds like it’s shaping up to potentially be my go-to version.
Adding Dooku to the funeral scene is a fantastic idea but I’m not sure about him sitting in the council. To me that would more likely make him out to be another throw-away Jedi like Conehead and Squidward if he has no dialogue. I’m more than happy to be wrong on this point, though. Having more Dooku in TPM will definitely help to remedy the disconnect between this and the later two prequel films.

EDIT: I just watched the restructured funeral scene. YES! Absolutely brilliant! Well done!

The Dooku bit at the funeral is turning out better than I was expecting it to, that’s for sure!

And yea, I’m still on the fence about adding Dooku into the council scene(s). There are pros and cons. For me, I feel like Dooku would already be struggling with the Jedi order at this point and probably wouldn’t be sitting in on every council meeting. Or if he was, someone like Yoda or Windu would sense his confusion/conflict in the same way they’d sense Anakin’s fear. For that reason alone, I feel like Dooku wouldn’t want to be around them. This would also explain his isolation at the funeral.

On the flip side of this, Dooku would have more of an impact at the end of the film if he and QGJ shared screen time at an earlier point. If he is seen with the council earlier on, then his leaving would definitely carry more weight, I think. But at the same time, keeping him a mystery/cliffhanger at the end works extremely well for the first “episode” of a saga. It’s a difficult piece of the puzzle to place.

The way I currently have the funeral scene cut, it’s heavily implied that Dooku may be the “master” Yoda is referring to in his “master and apprentice” speech. Which, actually, Dooku is the “master” that is left, now that his “apprentice” (QGJ) was destroyed. There’s a double meaning there, but you wouldn’t really pick up on it until you see the second episode, where it’s revealed that Dooku was QGJ’s master. If there was a way to establish Dooku as QGJ’s master early on in Episode I, then the audience would probably pick up on the double meaning, which would open up a whole mess of other questions, if this was their introduction to Star Wars.

On that note, the council wouldn’t be a great place to put Dooku, as there would still be no indication that he was once the master of QGJ. He’d just be a familiar face by the time you’d see him at the funeral, which may or may not take away from his presence. And if you drop an expostional line about “Dooku” being QGJ’s old master, you still wouldn’t know what he looked like, or that the guy at the funeral was Dooku.

I just don’t know…

I’ll probably keep him out of the rest of the film. Or maybe I’ll throw him in a council scene and see what you guys think of it.

Also, sorry for the novel there.

Smithers said:

Sheepish said:

littlev87 said:

Not that it will necessarily pertain to this edit, but I’ve always felt that in the Prequels yoda would have been much more effective as a character less seen and more heard. I always had the impression that yoda was essentially every living jedi’s teacher in that he was like the principal of the jedi “school” and the masters were the “teachers” that taught various disciplines of yoda’s philosophies. Just my two cents.

I actually really like this idea. Having Yoda as more of a mystical figure really appeals to me. Hmmm…I may have to rethink a few things. I still think his final scene with Obi Wan is absolutely necessary.

That’s pretty much what I’m doing in my edit, although I disagree that his final scene with Obi-Wan is necessary because right after during the funeral, Obi-Wan says to Anakin: “The Council has granted me permission to train you… You will be a Jedi, I promise” that specific line sums up the entire conversation between Yoda and Obi-Wan. Also it’s pretty strange that Obi-Wan is never distressed about Qui-Gon’s death until two scenes later at the Funeral. IMO the Yoda scene is just boring filler.

I get where you’re coming from. I just like seeing Obi Wan actively opposing the Jedi council, Yoda in particular. Obi Wan sort of inheriting Qui Gon’s “defiance” adds a lot to his character arc in the first film, in my opinion. I think it really does show Obi Wan affected by Qui Gon’s death. He may not seem particularly distressed when talking to Yoda, but he seems angry, which I think is the better emotion for the story and is consistent with his killing Darth Maul.

Darth Lucas said:

You could do it, unfortunately it takes away the only indication we have that Yoda instructed Obi wan.

This, 100%

I like the idea of nodding to Dooku early on, but this feels like the wrong place, at least in my opinion. Yoda needs to have a “master of masters” presence, if that makes sense. And this bit of dialogue really adds to that.

littlev87 said:

Not that it will necessarily pertain to this edit, but I’ve always felt that in the Prequels yoda would have been much more effective as a character less seen and more heard. I always had the impression that yoda was essentially every living jedi’s teacher in that he was like the principal of the jedi “school” and the masters were the “teachers” that taught various disciplines of yoda’s philosophies. Just my two cents.

I actually really like this idea. Having Yoda as more of a mystical figure really appeals to me. Hmmm…I may have to rethink a few things. I still think his final scene with Obi Wan is absolutely necessary. Idk. This idea, I think, should apply more to Episodes II and III, instead of I.

I honestly haven’t thought that far ahead yet.

I know what I’m doing for Padme’s funeral, and that’s about it.

Thanks! Yea, I really want to try and make English Jar Jar work, as I already have the Neimoidians subtitled. I might upload a clip of them speaking tonight, to give everyone an idea of what to expect. The voices abide by the all of the tips you’ve mentioned. I personally can’t stand reversed dialogue.

I’m also just realizing that I encoded the wrong file. The version in that trailer is about two steps (of going back through and touching up on things) behind the final version. I’m now encoding the correct file.