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#229277
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Another Form Of Protest?
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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Anything that screws George Lucas even in a tiny way is worth considering.


Yes, but at this point, what can we do? I'll keep fighting on principle, of course, but at the moment, it seems that we have lost the battle. Let's hope we can win the war. I just don't have an inspirational speech ready. Its thousand to one odds.
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#229223
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death of star wars
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Originally posted by: JediFlyer06
For those in the know...how much would a restoration of the film cost, roughly? We know that there are prints in collectors' hands. How much of a grassroots movement from the fanbase would it take to generate money through donations and such in order to have a good print restored and trasnferred to dvd, and distributed not for profit? Pie in the sky...I know. But seriously, put a dollar amount on it. Could we (the fans) generate it?


Well, I seem to remember that Robert A. Harris (who very much wants to do the restoration and could be easily contacted as he often posts over at HTF) asked for something like $50,000 per film or somesuch. I really think that the fans could do it. But Lucas doesn't want these version restored, and would probably not let it happen.
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#229215
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Please tell me I'm not the only one....
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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
I like Star Trek. I'd like to see them do something with Christopher Pike, the Enterprise captain from the abandoned 1960s pilot "The Cage" played by the late Jeffrey Hunter. But it probably won't happen.

I didn't like how, as the Next Generation films went along, Picard seemed to morph into Kirk. I like Kirk, in fact I prefer Kirk Trek over TNG Trek, but if I'm going to sit down and watch a Picard Trek, I expect Picard to act like Picard and not like Kirk.

Oh boy; Trek talk! This should be interesting. Geek time! Just kidding. Hasn't Jeffery Hunter passed away?

Rick Berman should be jailed for cruelty to animals. Specifically: Beating a dead horse.


I take it you don't care much for post-Kirk Trek?
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#229214
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first viewing of the 2006 OOT dvds
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That wasn't a flame thrown your way Mike just so there is no misunderstandings between us.


I meant no offense either. It's quite all right my Canadian friend (You know, near Detroit, you are to the south. Odd bit of triva) ! I was just saying that this release was either a really good sign or a really, really bad one. I guess we'll just have to wait. I hope that you're right about a good release coming out, and hopefully soon. Do you think that there's a chance of seeing it in the 30th boxed set, or no? just curious. Now if you'll exuse me, I'm going to go lift my spirits by watching The Shawshank Redemption.
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#229203
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If George did release a high quality OOT DVD, what is the worst that would happen?
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If it included a remastered OOT, I'd probably buy it, that's the sad part. I was hoping that that would happen with the 30th anniversary boxed set next year, but now I really doubt it. Besides, if it did come out in a boxed set, it would eventually come out by itself in a few years.

Collectors Jar Jar Dildo
Altar to Baal (The Artist formerly known as George Lucas) Special Collectors Edition
The Definitive Baal Autobiography “How Art should be modified to suit the tastes of changing viewers” or “Nothing is timeless” by Baal (The Artist formerly known as George Lucas)
Gusher Edition Knee Pads for sucking Baal (George) Cock.


LOL!
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#229198
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first viewing of the 2006 OOT dvds
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Its not that hard Mike.

Take it easy!

Originally posted by: zombie84
They just want another excuse to sell you the SE. But people won't buy it without a very good reason to (as evidenced by the failure of the 2005 release) so they are slapping on a laserdisk transfer and marketing that. Sansweet himself admitted the initial purpose was to re-sell the SE films individually. That is why the OOT is bonus material--its the bonus on the SE films to get you to buy it. The marketing focusing ONLY on the OOT release is obviously because that is the sets selling point. A proper release of the OOT will come out eventually but if they say this is the last time it will be available then we buy it now instead of waiting.


I really think that we know much more about this than Sansweet does. He's proably just parroting what the higher-ups at LFL told him to. If there will be a quality release, then when? There is something more than meats the eye going on here. This just doesn't add up. What 2005 release? Why did it fail?
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#229190
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first viewing of the 2006 OOT dvds
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Originally posted by: yanksno1
Originally posted by: Mike O
We're going to get fine DVDs of the OOT as part of a retrospective collection, you mark my words! I will not be palmed off with these September Discs!

Initially, I thought so too. I thought that LFL was using these discs to see if anyone would buy the OOT and then maybe they would remaster it for the 30th anniversary boxed set. Now, well, I'm not so sure. Apart from Sanwseet (who is really just parraoting what the higher-ups tell him anyway), there seem to be other signs. "We have no plans, now or in the future, to restore the earlier versions." And then there are all of the comments being made about how the real prouduct is the SE and this release is for people who don't care which versions they get and don't want to buy the boxed set (which makes absolutely no sense). Then there are Lucas's comments, however. "It's just the original versions as they were. We didn't do anything to them at all (No, you bloody well didn't.). We're not sure how many people want that. Now we'll find out whether people really wanted the originals, or whether they wanted the mproved versions. It will all come out in the end." So many people are probably going to avoid this release, that Lucas can easily say, "See? There is no demand for the original versions." And even if they do sell well, it doesn't gaurantee anything. He could just as easily say that now the minority who wanted the OOT have what they've wanted. We're passionate, but we're a minority (though perhaps a growing minority). Maybe all of the passion in the world can't change the fact that 2+2=4. Maybe Ozkeeper's brutally honest pessimistic/realistic post just rattled me. But this looks like the final nail in the coffin for OOT fans. Lucas appears to have won. There is the ray of hope of the discs well and the 30th anniversary. But my optimism is waning at this point. I guess that all we can do now is cross our fingers. I'm not giving up, but at this point, I just don't know what to do.

What's he going to say? "I'm releasing this crappy set with the OOT to persuade people who never bought the 2004 sets (since I have so many sitting in storage unsold), but just know there's a better set coming in a few months for the 30th anni." That's going to persuade a lot of people to buy them. The thing I look at this is the timing of it all. If this was the last set ever released, why wouldn't he wait till the 30th anni in a few months? It makes no sense to me other then they have a bunch of unsold 2004's sitting in storage and this is a new way to get rid of them. That's all. There should be a line on some gambling site on the chances of the uber set being released next year for the 30th anni, which I'm still banking on that happening.


This whole thing doesn't make any logical sense. Something here doesn't add up. The comments from LFL and Sansweet state that this was just an attempt to release the SEs individually. But the marketing campaign keeps streesing that the originals will be in the set, as though that is the reason to buy it. Then there are the conflicting reports. "We have no plans, now or in the future, to restore the earlier versions (they're the originals guys)." Then we have Lucas himself. "It's just the originals, as they were. We didn't do anything to them at all (no, you certainly didn't). We;re not sure how many people want that. Now (notice this word) we'll find out wheter people really (that word was italicized in the original interview) wanted the originals, or whether he wanted the improved version." Now, here's the interesting part. "It will all come out in the end." Now, this could mean an number of things. Lucas could just be talking to here his own voice. In other words, it might not mean anthing. It could mean that he wants to appease the minority (from his point of view) who want the OOT so that we will shut (which we of course won't until we get a release that treats the films with the respect which they deserve). There is, however, a third, very remote possibility. Perhaps, just perhaps, LFL were going to releae the films individually and then decided to include the originals to test the waters to see if there is a market for these versions, possibly for the 30th anniversary? Of course, LFL might have also just attached the OOT to sell the discs of the SEs, and really have no plans to include the originals ever again. And then there is the bizzare possibility that the latter was the original plan, and the former has become a side effect. There's just something here that doesn't add up. God willing, the situation will work out well. Maybe Ozkeeper's post and the Comicon situation just exacerbated the problem or put up in black and what what I already knew. I don't know yet. But come the 30th anniversary, if the discs aren't in it, which I for some reason doubt that they will (which is the opposite of what I thought a mere few days ago), then I just don't know. Maybe it will be over and maybe not. This whole thing is so confusing. But I have this nagging feeling that, with this release, Lucas has blown the doors on the situation wide open, and with Mark Hammil and, most particulary, Gary Kurtz, having a go at him in the press, it seems that, at the very least, this release has made a bit of noise, although whether that is a good thing or a bad thing remains to be seen. I guess that it depends on how pessimistic or optimistic you want to be. All that we can do now is wait and hope. Again.

Besides, they need to clear out the old stock so they can have an excuse to fix more problems and have a new release for '07. And by problems, I mean not fixing the matte lines or miscolored lightsabers, but adding dinosaurs to more scenes. And spaceships and characters from the comicbooks and video games. You know, his 'original vision'.


Which makes no sense. If his original vision will be in the 07 release, then why would they be trying to release the 05 version again? To make more money, obviously, but then why is Lucas so adamant about the originals not being his vison? Something isn't right here. Is there something going on that we don't know about? This doesn't make sense.
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#229188
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death of star wars
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Lucas is softening slightly. The fact that the OOT is getting released at all is, at the very least, a sign. And with th digs at him Hammil and Kurtz have taken in the press lately, the situation appears to be coming to a head. Let's not give up hope quite yet. And careful. Lucas could very easily put into his will that the OOT can never be restored or released again. Let's hope that we can get it while he is alive.
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#229026
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News on the TV Series if Anyone Cares.
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But do you think that there is a chance? Optimist that I normally am, I just don't know. In any case, even if it was anamorphic, there would still be other issues. I just wonder if they will ever give the OOT the treatment it deserves. The only ray of hope is Lucas's comments in the MTV interview, and even then we don't know if the DVDs will sell well. I guess that we should just cross our fingers and hope for the best. At this point, I don't know what to do anymore.

Lucas looks at the original film stocks of the OOT: "Wipe them out. All of them."

Fans: "NOOOOO!"
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#228925
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The "original crawl" on the new DVD is NOT the original crawl! Screenshot inside!
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
This is what I've been fearing ever since it was first announced. That they were simply going to paint away the "Episode IV: A New Hope." And sure enough, every worst case scenario comes to fruition. Okay, so I'm definitely not buying these releases. If the picture quality had been shown to be halfway decent, I probably would have bought it. Had it just been them relegating it to the second disc as bonus material, I most likely would have bought it.

But this, this is the one thing I absolutely refuse to tolerate. In their initial press release, that was one of the things they originally touted. I knew there was a reason to get suspicious when that paragraph mysteriously disappeared for a few hours. This is just flat-out lying. This isn't even lying due to minds changing or business practices changing. And I refuse to cater or give my money to a company that is clearly lying. Obviously the footage exists! It was on Empire of Dreams for crying out loud! Wouldn't it have been easier to splice the original crawl in rather than paint out the "most offensive" element?

I'm sure most people won't be able to tell the difference. And I'm sure George and his Merry Men will be snickering about it. "Coming soon! The original theatrical cuts! Or close enough that you George vision-haters won't be able to tell the difference! Nyah-nyah!" Well, suck on this, George. You are not getting another red cent from me until you actually start producing quality products and stop lying about the less-than-quality ones you are releasing.


Assuming, of course, that he does release a high-quality version, which doesn't look like a possibilty at this point.
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#228899
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first viewing of the 2006 OOT dvds
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We're going to get fine DVDs of the OOT as part of a retrospective collection, you mark my words! I will not be palmed off with these September Discs!


Initially, I thought so too. I thought that LFL was using these discs to see if anyone would buy the OOT and then maybe they would remaster it for the 30th anniversary boxed set. Now, well, I'm not so sure. Apart from Sanwseet (who is really just parraoting what the higher-ups tell him anyway), there seem to be other signs. "We have no plans, now or in the future, to restore the earlier versions." And then there are all of the comments being made about how the real prouduct is the SE and this release is for people who don't care which versions they get and don't want to buy the boxed set (which makes absolutely no sense). Then there are Lucas's comments, however. "It's just the original versions as they were. We didn't do anything to them at all (No, you bloody well didn't.). We're not sure how many people want that. Now we'll find out whether people really wanted the originals, or whether they wanted the mproved versions. It will all come out in the end." So many people are probably going to avoid this release, that Lucas can easily say, "See? There is no demand for the original versions." And even if they do sell well, it doesn't gaurantee anything. He could just as easily say that now the minority who wanted the OOT have what they've wanted. We're passionate, but we're a minority (though perhaps a growing minority). Maybe all of the passion in the world can't change the fact that 2+2=4. Maybe Ozkeeper's brutally honest pessimistic/realistic post just rattled me. But this looks like the final nail in the coffin for OOT fans. Lucas appears to have won. There is the ray of hope of the discs well and the 30th anniversary. But my optimism is waning at this point. I guess that all we can do now is cross our fingers. I'm not giving up, but at this point, I just don't know what to do.