MalàStrana

The teaser is a teaser, with nothing great in it (oh the Falcon… oh Tie fighters… oh X-Wings… Finn is sleeping… Poe is running away from an explosion… well, not enough to be hyped !). But 2 things are to be noticed:

• it seems very well shot and doesn’t look cheap like Episode VII;
• there is an idea which can give some needed depth to the sequel trilogy after the emptiness of Episode VII, something that could make this 9-part story a movement (as a whole, in spite of a few weak inner stories - I, II, VII). I just hope it will bring mythology back again instead of the lame idea of R1 (such as the retcon of the Death Star flaw).

Not great but I’m confident it can be far more interesting than just a dumb action movie with a SW skin (yep, R1, seriously guys…) or than a weird and cheap rehash of the OT with a PT narrative approach (Episode VII).

(prospect SW ranking: VI-V-VI-VIII-III-I-VII-II-R1, Rian, I trust you, don’t let me down !)

TK-422 said:

In Rogue One we see Red and Gold Leader, Garett Edwards said that this was unused footage from Episode IV. So if they can make old, grainy, film from 1977 seamlessly blend into a major 2016 blockbuster with no one noticing

To be clear: the ANH footage in Rogue One is very noticeable. Overuse of DNR, not the same print quality. It took me out of the movie each time. It was a cool idea (and it somehow makes Lucas an additional director of R1 by the way 😃) but it was not seamless at all.

Hal 9000 said:

Yes. It’s thematically linked more than logically. The same point could be made about Luke in ROTJ; presumably, the team would have destroyed the Death Star regardless of Luke’s success or failure onboard.

Yeah but that’s one thing I like with ROTJ: there is a rehash of the Death Star but it’s not the heart at all of the story, just another story in the background to bring the chain of events in one place.

That’s being said, you should indeed stick to the v1 version of the destruction of the NR.

Jetrell Fo said:

Frink is correct

The state of this world is decaying every day…

Bannon fired…
Syria under US fire…
McCain/Kerry/Clinton’s ideas on fire…

Damned neo-con that are finally winning… Such a disappointment, I really thought Trump could beat these morons. Seems he needs to give them power again to avoid impeachment from his own majority. Hope he will strike back against these warmongers. So in the meantime I give Donald the benefit of the doubt.

NeverarGreat said:

The only video of Snap talking in this scene is before the Starkiller is projected, so I wouldn’t know how to incorporate that. And I actually slowed Snap’s dialogue down a bit, but it still seems fast.

I’ll see what I can do to improve it. The issue, like you say, is that we have an idea of how the scene should play, and we’re conditioned to accept the lack of any mention of the Republic even though it should be addressed during this scene.

JEDIT:
Here is an updated scene with further slowed Snap speech and only the single reaction shot:

https://mega.nz/#!yctFSDhS!dqhRxznCFMjVburVoXxlrZ8qu7XnEELPCU7uonr9zfU

Voice Only:

https://mega.nz/#!3AdDnaJK!wCRH1IBlsX3EUIyn0Plvyz4IiIi4aAy9ixAFTpOjwac

The only issue is the mix which is not seemless. And that we don’t get to see the guy talking (but I don’t really mind it I must say). The idea is good.

Well to me it’s the cheapest looking SW of the entire series (R1 included) with some questionable CGI (Falcon on Jakku, some shots of the troopers geeting killed near Maz castle that are more or less the same quality of PT clone troopers) and empty production value (the resistance base, very lazy set…), so I don’t think the size of the print would change anything 😃

But maybe I’m harsh with modern CGI and I tend to be more tolerant for older movies.

It looks CGI and in a bad way. Such as the Falcon for the Jakku sequence. Not dated but unfinished then.

Possessed said:

If we were talking about in fanedited form I could see ranking a good tpm edit over perhaps ROTJ, but never anh or esb.

It’s madness to rank any PT or “Star Disney Whores” films higher than the OT. Period !

People who think TFA is better than ROTJ are as mad as those who think that TPM is better than ROTJ. That’s all folks.

Anjohan said:

I don’t see the point in re-relasing the prequels in 4K. Their special effects are so dated

Like always, this is highly exagerated. And nowadays CGI are already dated (the CGI Tantive IV at the end of R1 doesn’t match at all the 1977 model for example).

Yep I agree, this is exactly what I meant 😃 And with the removal of 3PO awkward line from restructured v1 (“I don’t think R2 has the rest of the map”) it could work better now.

I don’t think it really fixes this issue, but it looks less problematic that way.

chyron8472 said:

MalàStrana said:

Also, the release of the rest of the Sequel Trilogy might retroactively make TFA a better movie given added context.

Or make it even worse. If The Last Jedi is good, TFA will still be a very weak (and bad) entry. I’ll probably just skip it and watch The Last Jedi immediately afterwards Return of the Jedi.

I don’t see how you could expect The Last Jedi to be good.

I always have faith that something good can happen. I don’t judge in advance. 12 years ago I was very surprised by ROTS big jump in quality over AOTC, I might be as well next december.

I imagine you also don’t like the second half of Return of the Jedi.

I’ve put my ranking somewhere with a strong 8 (or 8.5 ?) to ROTJ, so I really like this movie… and the second half kicks ass. Besides I still think ROTS is a good SW flick while TPM is “decently mediocre”. As fanedited versions they are quite good movies I can easily enjoy in the context of a 6-part story (9-part story maybe ?).

So if the last Star Wars movie released that you thought was “good” from start to finish was probably The Empire Strikes Back,–given 6 successive irredeemably horrible failures to impress after that, I don’t see why you should even bother watching The Last Jedi at all.

In fact, R1 is the only one I dislike that much. I’ll watch it a second time when it’s officially available to be sure (I can change my mind, though I doubt it). First SW ever I was bored to death in the theater. Even AOTC is quite fun the first time you watch it. Even TFA was quite pleasant the first time as well. For some reason, R1 has deep issues in how to tell a story which make it - to me - the weakest SW to date. My review is somewhere on the proper topic where I explained that these issues are emphasized during both Darth Vader sequences (especially the second one). The way this movie was built around obvious fan-service and mythological deconstruction is very questionable. If you add weak characters into the mix (the only interesting one being killed ridiculously), it’s hard for me to find anything good about it.

So you’re wrong: 8 SW films, 3 great (among them 2 masterpieces, whatever the version/edition is), 1 good, 3 bad/mediocre but watchable and very decent when fanedited (well, except TFA which is still short of an edit I would agree at 99% with), and 1 I consider to be the worst (R1). I mostly like SW dude, like you 😃

DrDre said:

TESB (9.5/10)
ANH (9/10)
ROTJ/TFA (8/10)
RO (7/10)
TPM/ROTS (6.5/10)
AOTC (5/10)

Basically you kinda like all of them. Lucky guy 😉

Alderaan said:

Kids these days don’t watch those movies.

How would you know ? I know my nephew and his friends watch all of them.

imperialscum said:

MalàStrana said:

nickyd47 said:

If anything, if Hayden is in the film and gives us a good performance, that would redeem him in the Star Wars universe.

Really, Hayden is not bad. He delieved the best he could considering the lack of direction of Lucas on Episode II. On Episode III with the coach director to help he gave a very strong performance (and he looks badass). The blame is on Lucas, not on him.

He does not look badass at all. He looks like a whiny jerk. And I do not think it is because of lack of Lucas’ direction, but because Lucas wrote/directed him to be like a whiny jerk.

I was talking about the performance, not about the character we was supposed to play according to the script.

nickyd47 said:

If anything, if Hayden is in the film and gives us a good performance, that would redeem him in the Star Wars universe.

Really, Hayden is not bad. He delieved the best he could considering the lack of direction of Lucas on Episode II. On Episode III with the coach director to help he gave a very strong performance (and he looks badass). The blame is on Lucas, not on him.

“breakdown” of your third edit, Children of the Force. Very fun to rewatch, I didn’t like it at first because I don’t like Bane’s plots but in this context with a few silly things removed and a fast-paced narrative it really works very well.

Here are a few suggestions (not that much since you’ve improved with each new installment of your Clone Wars movies series) that could, IMHO, improve some parts:

Crawl:
Missing “…” at the end of the text.

Audio glitches (4):

• around 0:15:12
• around 0:57:30 (“the separatist brought tanks to exterminate us”)
• around 1:12:01 (“more freedom than I should have”)
• around 2:14:13

Useless/repetitive dialogues (3):

• at 0:43:34, the droid lines are repetitive:
  “Sergent, the attack is coming. Prepare for the final attack.”
  Maybe you should correct it as simply: “Sergent, prepare for the final attack.” ?

• at 02:00:08, Admiral Yularen who doesn’t react quickly to Anakin’s urgent order is something I would suggest to remove: “What happened since the last time we spoke”

• at 2:14:50: “I’m afraid this installation is lost.” (it’s repetitive with the other dialogues)

Plot issues (2):

• at 01:11:32, during the Ahsoka library assignement scene, there is a line that betrays the scene was taken from another story arc:
  “is the description of the incident by Obi-Wan accurate ?”. I think you can remove it and the scene would still be understandable. Or just remove the fact Obi-Wan has described an accident he wasn’t even there to witness, like: “Is the description of the accident accurate ?” to imply that Anakin is the one who told how it happened.

• the Anakin saving the day scene at the senate should be move a little bit forward, after Bane has begun his entrance into the Temple. That’s way it’s more clear for the audience that the senate crisis is a decoy, a deception. Otherwise we don’t quite see the point of such an operation.

Other suggestions:

• at 1:18:00, unecessary violence when the senate guard is killed (“help me !”)

Anyway, here is a french subtitles file synchonized to your cut: https://mega.nz/#!wx0gRAQK!CRHJ7BNceK1PdBbOnNqdaZaJ9KnkytvbDJyU6tF75Gw

I still find “those beasts” cheesy as hell but otherwise the audio editing is good. The music might be a little bit too loud and there is a jarring “clic” when Finn goes in the smugler’s ship. “They have found us” is near perfection, I don’t know how you could improve it. And gosh the sunset shot is so cool, glad it’s been kept.

Mocata said:

Well I was hoping days or longer… ‘we’ve traced the rebel spies’ sounds like a long process not just glancing out at the corvette’s license plate. Comments floating around make it sound like the latter though. I will see how this all holds up on second viewing.

Yep you’re 100% right about that. This all Vader/Leia affair (sic) which ends the movie is a huge continuity mistake. Leia should have never been at this battle; Vader should have engaged charcaters we know and not just random rebel troopers we don’t care about. This clearly shows the limits of fan-service when it doesn’t serve (and even damage) the story. Without its “OT skin” this movie would already be forgotten.

That’s probably it. Or, even simpler: R1 is really bad. Who knows ?

I’m more concerned about Rogue One being so high. It’s the most boring SW movie to date (basically nothing happens for 1h30 and the remaining 45 minutes are totally uninteresting) with characters so lame even Jar Jar is badass in comparaison… But it’s the SW effect: each new released film is the best until people wake up and start looking without the hype filter (with one movie every year it’s going to take more time but in the end the result will be the same…). For me R1 still stands as the worst SW film… and the dumbest one (which is saying a lot about how dumb it is 😃).

Also, the release of the rest of the Sequel Trilogy might retroactively make TFA a better movie given added context.

Or make it even worse. If The Last Jedi is good, TFA will still be a very weak (and bad) entry. I’ll probably just skip it and watch The Last Jedi immediately afterwards Return of the Jedi.

Yet again a personal attack. This forum will never change…

In a way Jyn Erso’s character is there to remind us that Rogue One is, in spite of Tarkin and Vader stealing the show, at 100% a Prequel movie after all !

Hum… sorry I don’t get it: Episode II & III were shot in 16:9 then cropped to 2.35 ? If I’m not mistaken 2.35 is larger than 16:9 so isn’t it the opposite that was done ? Which would mean the real resolution is in fact higher than 2k (well, not the cgi stuff but the rest would be) ?

https://gemmamayalicesealey.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/40.gif

(I’m pretty sure someone - Harmy perhaps - explained that a few pages ago… i’ll try to find his post)