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#1140325
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Well then, maybe it could be improved by changing 3POs line to something like. “It could be that R2 has the rest of the map in his backup data. If only he would wake up.” BB-8 beeps. “R2 has been in low power mode…” 3PO leaves and BB-8 tries to convince R2 of helping them but leaves as R2 doesn’t react. Then however, R2s lights come on, showing us that he is willing to help.

It’s just that it still feels stupid to me when 3PO basically tells the audience: Nope, R2 can’t help here and then in the end R2 magically (or not quite as magically in this edit) turns up and does help.

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#1140281
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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One more suggestion: What about removing 3POs line “It is very doubtful that R2 has the map in his backup data?” I never liked that line considering that R2 in fact has the map in his backup data. And with R2 starting to wake up after BB-8 talked to him, I don’t think this line is needed at all.

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#1140013
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Yeah, it probably flows better this way. Still, maybe having 3PO say that there are 5 minutes left would be possible. And it’d pretty much fix the issue for me.

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#1140006
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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I would suggest holding off V2.1 until TLJ is released just in case anything needs fixing to make it consistent (not sure what that’d be though) or to see if any material can be used from there, e.g. to have Hux tell Snoke of the Republics destruction.

Apart from that, the one thing I’d like to see changed is to have some more urgency about SKB being almost ready to fire when Han confronts Kylo. Currently you have a scene where it’s stated that it’ll be ready in 15 minutes, then another one where 3PO states that there are only 10 minutes left and then it fires. The problem is that it takes far longer to get from “15 minutes left” to “10 minutes left” than it does from the latter to the actual shot. So to me it felt weird, that SKB was suddenly ready after Hans death. That might be fixable by just having 3PO say “5 minutes left” or by adding another cut to the Resistance being worried inbetween. Maybe the “What do we do? It isn’t working.” scene could be used here already while the “There’s a brand new hole in the oscillator.” part would of course stay where it currently is. That’d also fix that the “What do we do?” sounds like something they’d say while they’re still trying to prevent SKB from firing at all instead of having fired already.

And while I’m at it, I think it’d be nice if it could somehow be shown that the Resistance knows that they’re the next target. No idea how that’d be done though.

Apart from that, the only other tiny issue I had with the edit is Kylos hood in the second Snoke scene. But that shouldn’t even be that hard to fix as it’s mostly seen in the shots from behind and we have a shot from pretty much the same perspective without the hood that could be used to replace Kylo.

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#1139765
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Just watched it and wow, that was amazing. It made TFA not into a masterpiece, but a really enjoyable movie! Thank you all so much for making this happen.

There are some (tiny) things that could be improved in a possible future version, but overall it’s really seamless. I don’t think I’d have noticed any edits if I hadn’t known about them. Honestly, I’m not even sure if I catched all.

So once again: Thank you very much.

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#1139731
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Downloading now and really looking forward to watching it! Thank you very much for making this happen everyone.

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#1139011
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Sir Ridley said:

Understandable, but in Hal’s words from last page: “I totally agree that such dialogue would be great to have there, but I don’t think the existing material to work with yield something worthy of inclusion.”

I don’t know if it would be good to imply that they’ve been talking by seemingly beginning in the middle of a conversation because either way the left out conversation is still just in our “headcanon” and audiences watching wouldn’t necessarily come to the conclusion that they had that exact conversation just by leaving out “Supreme Leader”. And the imagined left out conversation can still make sense with how it’s presented now.

Good point. Maybe TLJ will offer some dialog to improve this scene in a potential V3, but for now you’re probably right in leaving it as is.

Oh, and the slowed down shots are the pilot reactions when Starkiller fires. One of Poe and one from another pilot whose name I can’t remember. They’re both taken from the “There’s a brand new hole in that oscillator” scene IIRC.

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#1138994
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Sir Ridley said:

Here is my final cut, including music:
https://vimeo.com/246094567
pass: hux

I believe this music works fine, and I would personally prefer to only use John Williams’ music if possible. But this is how the scene plays out now, so you can make something for it.

Sounds very seamless to me. The only criticism I have is what I posted before. It should either start with Hux telling Snoke of the Republics destruction or if the intention is to imply that they talked about that off-screen, then Hux shouldn’t start with “Supreme Leader, …” as that sounds like the first sentence of a conversation.

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#1138952
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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My thoughts on the “new” Snoke scene:

I think the scene works better with Hux acknowledging the destruction of Hosnian Prime but I can see the difficulties with making this work. The current wording was weird and it also sounds cobbled together. But maybe something could be put together from other sources, like other movies with Domnhall Gleeson.

However, if this doesn’t work and Hux starts with telling Snoke about the Resistance base and it is thus implied that they talked about the Republic before that, then the scene shouldn’t start with Hux saying “Supreme Leader” as that’s not something he’d say in the middle of a conversation.

And in any case, I think it’d be great if the Resistance somehow reacted to the imminent second attack. I don’t know all the details of what you’re planning for V2, so maybe that’s already in or maybe there’s no way to even do that, but I think it’d improve this restructure.

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#1116330
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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NeverarGreat said:

Here’s a mockup of the scene without Rey’s running away lines:
https://vimeo.com/237337603
Password: rey

I tried to do something different with the cuts and music before her lines, but Ridley’s version is better in that regard. I think the line omissions could work though.

One thing I thought of after uploading - The shot where Rey sees the attack force is worse than superfluous, now that we see the Finalizer. It also makes no tactical sense for Rey to go back to the castle since she has no hope of outrunning fighters that are already overhead, and indeed we see the results of her tactical error directly afterward.

Instead, she could look up into a deceptively clear sky, alerted by the sound of distant TIE fighters. This would also be a callback to the similar situation on Jakku - an organic form of character growth. The Apocalypse Now TIES would tie (sorry) into this idea, and it would make sense to seek shelter in the castle.

It’s funny, how many problems (and solutions) can cascade from a gentle restructure.

I prefer not cutting those lines as I feel that it’s part of Rey’s character development that she still tries to flee and get back to Jakku at this point. Only when she sees the First Order attack, does she realise that she can’t just leave her friends.

And I also disagree about there being no sense in her running to the castle when she sees the TIEs overhead. Well, of course the logical decision for her to make in this situation would be to stay out of the fight and flee with BB-8 to protect him, but she sees that her friends are in danger, so she rushes to help them or to at least find them. That’s a perfectly fine reaction in this situation, just the same as someone rushing into a burning house to save a friend or something similar.

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#1107477
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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I think it’s great this way. The final shot of Sella is really necessary for the scene not to end too abruptly.

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#1107342
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Both of these edits are great. The only things that stood out to me were the missing BB-8 foley during and the “They’re charging the weapon now.” line in the briefing as well as the missing foley in the wide shot of the base. The latter wasn’t really a big deal and any foley in this scene should definetly be very quiet but the troops running towards the camera in the end felt really weird without any sound to accompany them.

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#1087399
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Automated color grading and color matching with a Machine Learning Algorithm
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Deloreanhunter12 said:

Going off needed quite a few photos for references, in theory, could you just use one large high res photo that has multiple frames in it to get a quality lut out of it?

I don’t know if it will work for the automated color grading, but it did for DrDre’s color matching tool. I used that with 9 frames to get a LUT that regrades the AOTC Blu-ray to the DVD colors. This is of course not a perfect solution, but it gives good results.

And I’d assume the same holds for the automated color grading: It should work but won’t be as good as having the algorithm grade single scenes.

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#1086074
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Remind me again, why doesn’t the scene continue as “normal” at that point? Was that part of V1 too?

Otherwise, it’s really good (except for the missing “Looks like our friends got in” 😉 )

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#1086008
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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I would re-add the “Looks like our friends got in.” line, but otherwise that’s pretty good.
The two Ackbar lines still sound slightly different, but it’s very close by now.

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#1085246
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Automated color grading and color matching with a Machine Learning Algorithm
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Just found this thread and I’m in awe. This looks really amazing and I’m definetly looking forward to its release.

One question though: Will the algorithm regrade the entire movie at once or do you give it individual scenes/shots that will then be regraded? I’m asking because in the latter case, scene wipes might be a problem (and also, just getting the entire movie regraded at once would be even more convenient^^).

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#1084048
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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NeverarGreat said:

Most of the problems you observe have been addressed in version 2 😃

There is the problem of the Hosnian System falling off the map before it is destroyed, but any mention of it after the briefing scene would have to be completely manufactured. I’ve been thinking about how to make them into a sympathetic party, and the best I can think of is building a scene during the assault with various shots in the Resistance base:

Taslin Brance staring at a computer screen (seen in the deleted scenes)
"General, are you seeing this?"
Newly recorded dialogue of a Republic official saying something like "You have our full financial support, but it will take some time to scramble any ships to help you"
Voice of C-3PO (over Leia looking concerned): “Oh my, without the Republic Fleet we’re doomed!”

What happened to this idea? Or generally speaking to any of the ideas that try to give a hint of why the Republic doesn’t help the Resistance in the battle? I kinda lost track of where these went.

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#1083636
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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The Ackbar lipsync really is a problem in that version. Maybe it can be fixed by Neverar’s suggestion, otherwise it might be better not to reverse the shot.

The rest of the scene works really well though.

An introduction for Ackbar could maybe make it even better. Something like “All ships…” from ROTJ like in Neverar’s first mockup.

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#1083555
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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KumoNin said:

https://vimeo.com/221635774 (password = radio)

Quick mockup of some of this, what it might look like

Flows way more natural IMO. The only jarring thing now is that you have a wide shot of the damaged oscillator followed by a short cockpit shot followed by essentially the same wide shot again.

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#1083499
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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NeverarGreat said:

I think the Black Leader line makes sense in the context of the scene. After all, Ackbar didn’t mention how the Oscillator was damaged.

As for the new implementation, it still feels like Ackbar isn’t talking with the X-wings. In my version I had reversed the shot so that Ackbar looked from Taslin Brance to the viewer as if addressing someone else, and I think that works better. It also needs something by way of introduction. I used a line from ROTJ, but surely there’s something that will work better.

That’s why I’d keep the “Looks like our friends got in.” line. Basically with this you’d replace the “Black leader, the oscillator is damaged” from the pilot with Ackbar’s version of the same line that also includes the added information of the oscillator still being functional. Then you keep the original line explaining how the damage came to be.

And I agree with your suggestion of reversing the shot.

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#1083487
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:

Here’s my best attempt at implementing a revised X-wing sequence with Ackbar. Same as before, not perfect, but I don’t think anything stands out in a bad way.
https://vimeo.com/221590694
password: radio

I agree with Sir Ridley that Ackbar’s voice, at least in the shot from Poe’s X-Wing should sound more radio-processed. Also, I’d cut the “Black leader, there’s a brand new hole in that oscillator.” No reason to state that if Ackbar has just said the exact same thing. “Looks like our friends got in.” makes for a better response to Ackbar’s line.

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#1083076
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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I really like those new mockups. Great work 😃

One issue with your latest video Hal: The sound of the trooper raising their arms doesn’t work with the troopers turning around like this. Maybe delaying it to when they actually start turning would work, but currently it’s really out of place.

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#1067290
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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I like the idea and the execution is promising, but I don’t think this should be included in this particular edit.

Don’t get me wrong. I like your ideas but unlike the added Snap dialog in the briefing scene which explains the Republic’s absence in the final battle and thus strengthens the restructure, this one is completely independant from the original goal. The same goes for your R2 edit as well.
From my point of view it might be better if you started your own edit based on Hal’s restructure to implement all these additional small changes. But in the end it’s Hal’s call of course 😃

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#1064119
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I fully agree here with Sir Ridley. The line might not be necessary but it makes the situation more clear for the viewer.

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