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Post: #107180
Topic: Ep. III: Focus on tracked music
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107180/action/topic#107180
Time: 20-May-2005 8:17 PM

I really liked the score during the Order 66 scene, very Godfather-esque. Also, there is a cresendo in a certain part of the film, I do not remember exactly where that I remember saying to myself, wow...that's powerful.

Post: #107038
Topic: The Liam Neeson Mystery (spoilers within but questions answered)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107038/action/topic#107038
Time: 20-May-2005 10:49 AM

Here is another deleted scene with photo:

116 INT. CORUSCANT-CHANCELLOR'S OFFICE-SUNSET

PALPATINE listens to a delegation from the Senate, which includes PADME and five other Senators: NEE ALAVAR, FANG ZAR, MALEDEE, SWEITT CONCORKILL, and MON CALAMARI. ANAKIN stands to one side of PALPATINE.

PALPATINE: I understand your reservations completely, Senator, and I assure you the appointment of Governors will in no way compete with the duties of the Senate.

PADME: May I take it then, that there will be no further amendments to the Constitution?

PALPATINE: I want this terrible conflict to end as much as you do, My Lady, and when it does I guarantee an immediate return to democracy . . .

PADME: You are pursuing a diplomatic solution to the war, then.

PALPATINE: You must trust me to do the right things, Senator. That is why I am here.

FANGZAR: But surely . . .

The Chancellor turns on FANG ZAR.

PALPATINE: I have said I will do what is right, that should be enough for your . . . committee.

PADME: On behalf of the "delegation of two thousand," I thank you, Chancellor.

PALPATINE: I thank you for bringing this to my attention, Senator.

PADME gives ANAKIN a frustrated look, then turns and exits with the other FIVE SENATORS. PALPATINE turns to ANAKIN.

PALPATINE: (continuing) Their sincerity is to be admired, although I sense there is more to their request than they are telling us.

ANAKIN: What do you mean?

PALPATINE: They are not to be trusted.

ANAKIN: Surely Senator Amidala can be trusted . . .

PALPATINE: These are unstable times for the Republic, Anakin. Some see instability as an opportunity. Senator Amidala is hiding something. I can see it in her eyes.

ANAKIN: I'm sure you're mistaken.

PALPATINE: I'm surprised your Jedi insights are not more sensitive to such things.

ANAKIN: I simply don't sense betrayal in Senator Amidala.

PALPATINE studies ANAKIN carefully and gives him a skeptical look.

PALPATINE: Yes, you do, but you don't seem to want to admit it. There is much conflict in you, Anakin.

Post: #107036
Topic: The Liam Neeson Mystery (spoilers within but questions answered)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107036/action/topic#107036
Time: 20-May-2005 10:41 AM

What am I supposed to be looking at?

Post: #107024
Topic: My review of Episode III (minor, minor spoilers)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107024/action/topic#107024
Time: 20-May-2005 10:19 AM

I think all of us in this discussion are grounded in reality. We just take joy in using this MASSIVE story that spans 40 years to explain how it all comes together.

Post: #107019
Topic: Episode 3 was disappointing on many levels...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107019/action/topic#107019
Time: 20-May-2005 10:16 AM

I dunno, I guess you kind of have to suspend time on that one, much as you do with Luke becoming a Jedi in about 20 minutes on Dagobah. People want to complain about Anakin's fall happening so quick, how about Luke becoming atleast a well trained in a matter of a day or two?

Post: #107011
Topic: Episode 3 was disappointing on many levels...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107011/action/topic#107011
Time: 20-May-2005 9:59 AM

That's a very good point.

Post: #107008
Topic: Episode 3 was disappointing on many levels...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107008/action/topic#107008
Time: 20-May-2005 9:45 AM

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"I just thought of something though, Ben's line in ANH 'You cant win Darth, if you strike me down i will become more powerful than you can ever imagine' He's basically telling him the same thing in that battle that he did in the Episode III battle, that Anakin cant win the fight."

Good point on that parallel. That hadn't occurred to me.

[EDIT] Thanks. You too.

I was just about to say that.

Obi Wan saying, "I've got the High Ground" fits well with the character. Everything with a wink and a grin. If anyone has ever watched an Errol Flynn movie, you'll understand the reference, but when he throws his hands open like that and delivers the line, it almost a "You've fought a good fight my friend, I have the advantage now, you can not win, good show" . Then Anakin, like any other villian in a swashbuckling tale, tries to snatch the victory because of his ego, and ultimately fails.

As for the idea that the Death Star could be completed before hand:
"Princess Leia, before your execution I would like you to be my
guest at a ceremony that will make this battle station operational. No
star system will dare oppose the Emperor now"

": Not after we demonstrate the power of this station. In a way,
you have determined the choice of the planet that'll be destroyed
first. Since you are reluctant to provide us with the location of the
Rebel base, I have chosen to test this station's destructive power...
on your home planet of Alderaan."

It could be said that the station was completed, but the weapon was not operational. It's hard to test run something that destroys planets without people noticing. So the station could have been completed, but the weapon taken longer to finish. Thus, when they built DSII, they constructed the weapon very early on, before even completing the shell.

Post: #106985
Topic: How do you rate EpIII?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106985/action/topic#106985
Time: 20-May-2005 9:00 AM

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Oh crap....there isn't a list long enough for that bad boy.

We'd have to include some Pepsi commercials and 'Sith Happens' spots to finally get to Xmas's spot on the list.

Post: #106982
Topic: Episode 3 was disappointing on many levels...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106982/action/topic#106982
Time: 20-May-2005 8:54 AM

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Originally posted by: Asha
A 'groundless' nitpick? Then riddle me this: why was Kenobi able to defeat Maul when Maul was standing above a dangling Kenobi? Maul had "the high ground." It didn't hold Ben back, so why would Ben have believed that Anakin wasn't able to pull of his jump?

Because Maul doesn't use the high ground, he toys with Obi Wan, using the sparks from his saber. When Obi Wan leaps, Maul doesn't react, that's why the high ground was of no use to him. Maul had the advantage, he just got bitched anyways.

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And the attempts at explaining away the construction of the Death star don't work for me AT ALL. Sorry, but it just doesn't add up. Twenty years to construct one Death Star ... and six months to two years to construct a second? Not even Henry Ford could achieve that feat. Lucas was feebly trying to tie-in images from the original film to justify Revenge of the Sith in the face of all logic.

It seems to me that you're choosing to file plot holes YOU don't like as "nitpicks."

Twenty years to construct one Death Star is a problem for you? How long has it taken the World to build the ISS which is 1/1000th the size of a fully operational military base with a massive weapon inside? They were kind of designing it on the fly, I'm sure as no one had ever done something like this. Also, it had to be kept hidden from the Rebellion and the Senate, to keep them for suspecting. How long is the gap between AOTC and ROTS? Atleast 9 months, I know that. If that's the case, then it took them just 9 months to get like 5 pieces of a frame up for that final scene.

Post: #106975
Topic: Episode 3 was disappointing on many levels...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106975/action/topic#106975
Time: 20-May-2005 8:46 AM

Avoiding Luke Skywalker's wrath, could it not be believed that the Jedi would record their interaction with Palpatine when they went to arrest him. Getting the camera in there would be a problem, but then again, they were the keepers of the peace or basically in charge of security, thus would have control of survellience video.

Even if Palpatine was overtly evil, the Jedi would have to watch the tapes in his office at all times to catch anything that might give it away. I just don't see them doing that. Also, I'm sure it wasn't intended but when Palp reveals himself to Anakin, they walk out of the office into the hallway area. Could that be to avoid detection. I'm sure it wasn't intended.

But then again, the video doesn't play exactly the same way the scene does in the movie, does it? I remember seeing it and think, that's not what he said!

Post: #106972
Topic: Episode 3 was disappointing on many levels...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106972/action/topic#106972
Time: 20-May-2005 8:40 AM

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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
i find it funny that although i didnt like this movie i can admit what i did like and what things were done well...

however when we make a comment about how something was done bad in this movie... people are just jumping in with explanations left and right trying to back up what was seen onscreen.... lol

maybe it was just a mistake...???
could that be it?

does everything have to have a explanation?

No, but if there is a logical explanation, wouldn't it be smart to talk about it on a message board? I mean, we could ignore logical explanations and pile on Lucas, but that doesn't make much sense.

Post: #106964
Topic: ROTS: The Child Birth Scene and Sidious Motives? SPOILERS
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106964/action/topic#106964
Time: 20-May-2005 8:25 AM

I laughed at the ending of ROTK. The first time you see it, it's ok, but if you watch it again, you're just like "Jesus, end the damn thing already" We aren't children, we don't have to know how EVERYONE ends up. I expected to see an ORC walking back to his home, kissing his kids on the head and then sitting down to eat as we pan out. Some of the characters had like 2 seperate endings, or 2 times where their character should have stopped.

I agree, it could have been included. I wouldn't have had a problem with it. And I certainly wish Qui-Gon was in it, as he is my favorite Jedi. However, I can see why it was left out, as you want the audiences emotions to still be jarred from the ending of the battle, the raw emotion of the child birth, the stun of Vader's birth, and the Twins' being split. You kinda want to overload the audience at the end as quickly as possible.

I mean, ANH ends this way, ESB ends this way, with just a quick ending after the climax.

But yes, I would have liked the Qui-Gon and Dagobah scenes left in, but as I've held all along, I see far superior Special Editions of these three films being released at some point. A CGI Yoda, reinserted deleted scenes and a few CGI things touched up to make the films 'archival' as he likes to put it.

Post: #106958
Topic: Episode 3 was disappointing on many levels...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106958/action/topic#106958
Time: 20-May-2005 8:19 AM

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Originally posted by: Asha

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I also didn't like the "Anakin, don't do it. I have the high ground!" WTF? Since when were battles determined by who has the high ground?

I had envisioned something cool and witty at the end of that fight ... like Anakin was about to kill Ben and then Kenobi turned Anakin's artificial hand against himself. Not some nonsense about "high ground."

Something that is widely held in sword fighting. See:Errol Flynn movies. The fighter higher on the stairs has the advantage. It's pretty believable that if Obi Wan is set to take Anakin's attack, of which Anakin must extend himself, Obi Wan has the advantage.

I see at as Obi Wan saying, "Anakin, I don't want to kill you, end this without blood shed" To which Anakin's pride causes him to believe he can beat Obi Wan, even if he is at a disadvantage.

And you don't think Obi Wan using Anakin's hand against him wouldn't have been comical and BLASTED APART on this site and every other Star Wars site?

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Also, did it bother anyone else that it apparently took the Empire 20 years to complete the first Death Star, yet it only took two or three years to *almost* complete a second bigger, deadlier Death Star. I hate the fact that they showed the Death Star at the end of Revenge of the Sith.

It takes a car company 5 years to build the first of the model, but only about an hour to build every one after that.

Post: #106950
Topic: My review of Episode III (minor, minor spoilers)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106950/action/topic#106950
Time: 20-May-2005 8:12 AM

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Originally posted by: Darth Simon

Kam, Obi-Wan never said he first met Anakin as an adult or during the clone wars. He said (from the script of ANH i foun online, draft 4)

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BEN: He was the best star-pilot in the galaxy, and a cunning warrior.
I understand you've become quite a good pilot yourself. And he was a
good friend. Which reminds me...

and from ROTJ draft 2

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BEN
When I first knew him, your father was
already a great pilot. But I was amazed how
strongly the Force was with him. I took it
upon myself to train him as a Jedi. I
thought that I could instruct him just as
well as Yoda. I was wrong. My pride has
had terrible consequences for the galaxy.

unless i missed something Obi-Wan never said how old Anakin was when they met, or that they met during the war. Just that he was a good pilot/warrior (which i guess you could infer means it was during the war, but isnt necessarily the case)

some people speak of the OT as though it was flawless and didnt contain any contridictions or plot holes until the PT came around which im sure isnt true. The whole father/son brother/sister thing as it stands in the OT can be considered somewhat shaky if you think about it.

-Darth Simon

Even at that, as far as ObiWan knows, Anakin destroyed the Trade Federation ship using skill, not alittle bit of luck. That, and he knew of the Pod Race win (ugh!) that had never been done by a human, I believe.

Post: #106946
Topic: ROTS: The Child Birth Scene and Sidious Motives? SPOILERS
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106946/action/topic#106946
Time: 20-May-2005 8:10 AM

I don't think it was a time issue that it was removed, it was more of a "we've gotten through the climactic battle, we must end it soon or people will feel it is anti-climactic' See: Return of the King.

Post: #106945
Topic: Episode 3 was disappointing on many levels...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106945/action/topic#106945
Time: 20-May-2005 8:08 AM

He bows to the Emperor because of two reasons: The Emperor is still on the side of the Republic (good) while the Jedi seem to have turned against the head of the Republic (bad). He needs Palp to save Padme, or so he thinks and thus must stop Windu from killing him (something against the Jedi code). I can see how very easily, those two things alone could confuse Anakin. Let's not even touch on the fact that when Skywalker walks in, Anakin hears him say "You are under arrest, my Lord". Yeah, I'd be confused as hell at this point. Turning to the Dark Side wouldn't be such an absolute, just an alignment with the only things you believe are still right at the time: Saving the Reupblic and stoping the war and saving the one you love.

As for Ewok over Greivous, come on. Greivous, while disposable, is atleast believable. If you take no umbrage with tiny forrest creatures bringing the Galactic F'NG Empire to it's knees. Something well armed, well funded Rebels couldn't do for 15 years, then I don't want to hear you complain about plot holes or lack of believability again.

Post: #106935
Topic: Luke's ROTS Review (plot holes included)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106935/action/topic#106935
Time: 20-May-2005 8:02 AM

You missed Tarkin? He was standing with the Emperor when Vader walked up at the end. Tarkin walks away. The actor, while not having any lines, does a good job of giving you a 'Tarkin' feel, the way he stands and moves.

Post: #106933
Topic: ROTS: The Child Birth Scene and Sidious Motives? SPOILERS
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106933/action/topic#106933
Time: 20-May-2005 8:00 AM

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Originally posted by: ricarleite
1- If there ever was a scene with Yoda and Qui-Gon, why was it cut? Perhaps Liam Neeson didn't do the voice over and they cut it? If they did, the whole explanation of the Jedi spirits was not given to the audience!

2- Also, the explanation of why a Jedi disapear and some don't is not clear (perhaps if you know how to mantain your consciousness after death, you can also make yourself disapear).

Post: #106912
Topic: The Liam Neeson Mystery (spoilers within but questions answered)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106912/action/topic#106912
Time: 20-May-2005 7:35 AM

Just doing my part. Here is one of the deleted scenes:

Here is another deleted scene, of which I went and got some screen caps from a BTS doc:

95 INT. CORUSCANT-PADME'S APARTMENT-DAY

PADME, MON MOTHMA, and five other Senators (BANA BREEMU, FANG ZAR. CHI EEKWAY, GIDDEAN DANU, BAIL ORGANA) sit in Padme's living room. C-3PO serves drinks to the guests.

PADME: We cannot let this turn into another war.

BAIL ORGANA: Absolutely, that is the last thing we want.

MON MOTHMA: We are hoping to form an alliance in the Senate to stop the Chancellor from further subverting the constitution, that's all.

PADME: I know a Jedi I feel it would be wise to consult.

BANA BREEMU: That would be dangerous.

MON MOTHMA: We don't know where the Jedi stand in all this.

PADME: I only wish to discuss this with one . . . one I trust.

GiDDEAN DANU: Going against the Chancellor without the support of the Jedi is risky.

PADME: The Jedi aren't any happier with the situation than we are . . .

CHI EEKWAY: Patience, Senator.

FANG ZAR: We have so many Senators on our side, surely that will pursuade the Chancellor.

BANA BREEMU: When you present the "petition of the two thousand" to the Chancellor, things may change.

BAIL ORGANA: Let us see what we can accomplish in the Senate, before we include the Jedi.

PADME takes a deep breath in frustration and disappointment.
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This is the voiceover work that you can hear Anthony delivering the lines " I made them especially" and "I made them myself" referring to the drinks.

Post: #106811
Topic: The Liam Neeson Mystery (spoilers within but questions answered)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106811/action/topic#106811
Time: 19-May-2005 11:12 PM

Rick is off on that number anyways, as there are probably atleast 10 deleted scenes. I will do some screen caps of the stuff from the BTS Docs tomorrow to get this thread really rolling.

Post: #106809
Topic: ROTS: The Child Birth Scene and Sidious Motives? SPOILERS
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106809/action/topic#106809
Time: 19-May-2005 11:10 PM

Did Luke prove Yoda wrong? We will never know. Remember, Anakin first went down the path of darkness in the Episode II and had Episode III to reveal himself. Luke's choices were made in ROTJ, and we are given 20 minutes to decide if he has caught himself for good, or if forever will he be controlled by his urges.

Anakin fulfilled his destiny, dark side or not. He was to bring balance to the Force, whether it be as a Jedi or a Sith.

But yes, I guess you could be right.

Post: #106807
Topic: ROTS: The Child Birth Scene and Sidious Motives? SPOILERS
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106807/action/topic#106807
Time: 19-May-2005 11:03 PM

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Originally posted by: Seiji
Wouldn't that make you depsise the dark side that much more? If accepting the dark side of the force allowed his anger to swell so much that he killed the love of his life, why would he continue down that path? Did the dark side cloud his mind that much that he didn't realize what he was doing?

I don't know if I like that. It makes it seem like he has no control, that Darth Vader is a mindless entity controlled only by the dark side, unable to have any control over his own thoughts and emotions.

From what I'm sure most will tell you is about as accurate and explanation you can get:

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Yes, a Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware of the dark side. Anger, fear, aggression; the dark side of the Force are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you in a fight. If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi-Wan's apprentice

Post: #106803
Topic: The Liam Neeson Mystery (spoilers within but questions answered)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106803/action/topic#106803
Time: 19-May-2005 10:53 PM

From Rick himself:

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When "Episode III - Revenge of the Sith" hits movie screens this month, fans will finally have the opportunity to comprehend the saga of Anakin Skywalker in its entirety. Series mastermind George Lucas said he hopes future generations will watch the prequels and sequels in numerical order, but reports that for now fans will have to continue to purchase each DVD individually if they want the complete set. "At some point," is all Lucas would offer about plans to release a six-DVD box set of the "Star Wars" series. "I am not sure when. First ['Revenge of the Sith'] will probably come out around Christmastime. Then, later on, there will be a six-pack." Before you get ready to storm the gates of Skywalker Ranch, however, you may find your dark side's rage diminishing as you hear about some of the "Sith" disc's bonus features. "There are five or six deleted scenes; they will all be on the DVD," said Rick McCallum, producer of the prequels. "They were great scenes, but they just had nothing to do with getting straight and cutting to the chase of the story. They were more plot-orientated and more setting up of Coruscant, more setting up of the war and kind of understanding where all the politics were." ...

Post: #106801
Topic: My review of Episode III (minor, minor spoilers)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106801/action/topic#106801
Time: 19-May-2005 10:35 PM

How did the Jedi allow the Dark Side to cloud their vision or weaken their powers, after what I believe is years and years of a void in Sith? I'm not much up on the EU, but I would call it being arrogant to overlook the growing threat of Sith. If the light in your flashlight start to go dim, you darn sure better do everything you can to find out if it is the wiring, the bulb or the batteries and fix the problem. I am sure it wasn't just one day the Jedi were weak. They had to have known their was a problem, and in knowing that, if they had taken the time to look, I would have to believe even in the early stages they would have had the power to sense the Sith just down the street.

In the vein of arrogance, they believed Anakin was dangerous and that he could spell trouble. But as you can see in this film, he is probably the most powerful Jedi alive. He is heralded as a great warrior, pilot and swordsman. While his Jedi powers may not be as strong as Yoda's (which is to be seen), he is obviously in the upper level. So why allow for the possibilty of exclusion when it comes to Anakin? Why create an situation that could create an enemy out of a friend. As far as the war went, he was their equal, he lead excursions equaling that of any member of the council. He had every reason to be on that council as much as anyone, yet they treated him as if they were above him. Was he dangerous? Yes, but if they had not made him feel as such an outsider of what truly was going on, he would have not felt deceieved and his fate may have been different.

Thanks for bringing up Qui Gon, of which we don't get delivered...jerk!

Post: #106794
Topic: My review of Episode III (minor, minor spoilers)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106794/action/topic#106794
Time: 19-May-2005 9:50 PM

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Originally posted by: Kam

She doesnt die until years later, then Leia becomes a princess when the King of Alderan adopts her.

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Right, I remember that line in ROTJ. Or was it ESB, or ANH? Man, I forget. Cause those are the only true sources for Star Wars timeline.

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Are you saying he wouldn't have invaded on his own? Would you explain how the Jedi's appearance forced Palps to do this?

I haven't watched TPM lately, but doesn't Palp only order the invasion after being informed about the Jedi? Doesn't he say this move is unexpected, or something?

I feel like I'm portraying myself as hateing the Jedi here, which I'm not. But every action they took only helped, not harmed Palpatine. The blood is just as much on their hands as his. They know this, as reflected in Yoda's attitude at the end of ROTS.

Could Palp have done all this without the Jedi involvement? Probably. But they made it alot easier, whether it be through actions of arrogance or being naive, whichever you prefer. I expect alittle more foresight out of my Jedi, don't you?