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#1134648
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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The deleted scenes need consistent room tone. This is especially necessary in the transition between the two scenes and in the fabricated Kor Sella reaction moments.

Otherwise looking good.

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#1134172
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.

You should have said that from the beginning.

Regardless, you might ask yourself why.

Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.

The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.

But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?

Why should it be?

There’s no reason why Star Wars should appeal more to men than women

You don’t know that.

Star Wars is a universal story about good vs. evil, hope vs. despair, and selflessness vs. selfishness.

Honestly tell me why should Star Wars appeal to men more than women?

You boil the story down to that to suit your argument, but there’s more to the films than just that.

Yes but that’s what they’re about. There’s nothing inherent about “Star Wars” that should be more suited to a man than a woman. The films aren’t about the male experience specifically, nor should they be. They should be for everyone.

You might say, well the OT only has Leia and then only a couple very minor female roles. To which I say yes, that is definitely a problem with the OT.

It is not the job of Star Wars to cater to all.

Why the fuck not? What is it about Star Wars that requires it to cater to straight white dudes only? Star Wars is supposed to be a universal story about the human experience.

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#1134171
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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chyron8472 said:

If I may, since we’re arguing equality, why does the culture tell us men shouldn’t like cartoons originally targeted toward female children?

Because the culture is a mixed up, no? Don’t you see what I’m saying and how this is a good example for my argument?

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#1134169
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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chyron8472 said:

Why does it matter that fewer women like Star Wars?

It doesn’t matter. People like what they like. They don’t what they don’t. It’s not for you to feel oppressed on their behalf when they couldn’t care less about it.

I’m saying it’s not a problem in and of itself but it is emblematic of other problems that exist in our culture (and in some ways the films specifically).

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#1134167
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.

You should have said that from the beginning.

Regardless, you might ask yourself why.

Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.

The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.

But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?

Why should it be?

There’s no reason why Star Wars should appeal more to men than women

You don’t know that.

Star Wars is a universal story about good vs. evil, hope vs. despair, and selflessness vs. selfishness.

Honestly tell me why should Star Wars appeal to men more than women?

You boil the story down to that to suit your argument, but there’s more to the films than just that.

Yes but that’s what they’re about. There’s nothing inherent about “Star Wars” that should be more suited to a man than a woman. The films aren’t about the male experience specifically, nor should they be. They should be for everyone.

You might say, well the OT only has Leia and then only a couple very minor female roles. To which I say yes, that is definitely a problem with the OT.

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#1134153
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.

You should have said that from the beginning.

Regardless, you might ask yourself why.

Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.

The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.

But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?

Why should it be?

There’s no reason why Star Wars should appeal more to men than women

You don’t know that.

Star Wars is a universal story about good vs. evil, hope vs. despair, and selflessness vs. selfishness.

Honestly tell me why should Star Wars appeal to men more than women?

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#1134149
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.

You should have said that from the beginning.

Regardless, you might ask yourself why.

Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.

The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.

But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?

Why should it be?

There’s no reason why Star Wars should appeal more to men than women, and yet it does, due to cultural/societal bullshit. I think it is a problem, though to what degree is definitely up for debate.

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#1133939
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

chyron8472 said:

Ever wonder why dudes used to go crazy over legs?

They still do in some cultures. I’m saying cultural acceptance of a norm is not unfair per se.

It is if it’s not just a norm but a law (and if women the people who are subject to this norm/law find it unfair).

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#1133929
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

Citing equality doesn’t really fit, because they are not equal. Saying a woman should be paid as much as a man because a woman’s ability or intelligence is equal is not the same thing as saying women’s bodies, which are not identical to men’s, should be treated identically. Having a woman cover her breasts does not lower her social standing or make her to be inferior to a man.

Let’s turn the tables. Is the argument that a certain part of a man’s body should be censored because it’s different from that part on a woman a valid argument to you?

I don’t think it is censored because it different. I think there are reasons other than simply it being different as to why it is censored, and those reasons are potentially sound.

Women’s breasts aren’t just different-and-that’s-it. Men have sexual responses to them. Women have clothing that accentuates them. Women and men both treat women’s physical bodies differently than women and men both treat men’s bodies. Women have different attractions to men than men do to women, and so arguing that men’s bodies and women’s bodies should be treated equally (or identically) “because” isn’t reason enough to not treat the differently.

You don’t think women have sexual responses to men’s exposed chests? Part of the reason why men have such pent up attraction to breasts is by the nature that most of the time they are concealed - if they were more common place, this wouldn’t necessarily be the case. Ever wonder why dudes used to go crazy over legs?

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#1133895
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Women’s hair is different than men’s. I guess we need to cover that up.

Now that I think of it, women’s faces are different too. We should probably also cover that up.

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#1133695
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Handman said:

I don’t get where the inequality is, and find it frankly perverted we have a bunch of men here telling women to go topless. This argument is dumb. That’s the last I’ll have of it.

Haha okay. I never even considered it an issue until I became aware of the “free the nipple” movement that was lead by women, fucking obviously. I’m sorry you can’t put yourself in their shoes and you’re too prude to give them that freedom.

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#1133538
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Not in my usage it doesn’t.

How do you use it then?

I guess that’s kind of a bad example on my part because it’s a rare word for me to use. I don’t really like the sound of it. On rare occasions, I use it to describe obnoxious people that can’t help but vocalize how gutless they are.

But don’t you see how “gutless” feeds into that stereotype?

Kind of, but I don’t think it matters because the words are separated from the genders in my mind. To quote a brilliant man, “Calling someone a pussy isn’t the same as saying ‘Don’t be such a woman.’ Calling somebody a dick isn’t the same as saying ‘Don’t be such a man.’” No one in this day and age with a shred of decency or intelligence believes that women are inherently gutless. I actually just realized why I hate all this language policing. It’s basically because we, and by we I mean people that aren’t complete morons and aren’t complete and total piles of shit, have to watch what we say because stupid people believe stereotypes. I hate stupid people more than anything on earth, and to me, judging people based on their color or gender is essentially the stupidest, most ignorant thing that a person can do. I don’t do that because I’m not stupid enough to believe there’s merit to racism or sexism, so why should I change up my arbitrarily-deemed-offensive insults because other people are stupid enough to believe a stereotype that I myself don’t believe and everyone that knows me knows I don’t believe?

Jeebus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I guess my hangup is that there is one specific gendered insult that is supposed to be far, far worse than any other, even other female-gendered insults, and is unacceptable in any context for very vague reasons of nondescript power dynamics and vague references to “history”. I know about the historical oppression of women, but why this word rather than any other?

I’m pretty sure it’s the same reason that “fuck” is a lot worse than “shit”.

Perhaps to a soccer mom it is, but like yhwx said, they’re kind of on par with each other. I’d say those two are considered worse because of what they literally mean, but then that brings up the hypocrisy of people considering “crap” worse than “shit” so, like I said, the only consistent way to handle this stuff is to either say they’re all okay, or they all aren’t. OR even better, you take it on a case by case basis. Did the person saying it use it in a way that made him asshole? If no, then move on. If yes, then, well, move on but remember that that guy is an asshole.

You’re looking at it as if it’s cut and dry. Gendered insults like pussy might seem like they’re harmless ultimately harmless, like you don’t really mean it in that way and that should be obvious. But the truth is that when a culture has an insult that’s irrevocably to a stereotype, whether you believe that stereotype or not, using the insult promotes it. It’s not like if you hear the word pussy enough you will suddenly come to the conclusion that women are gutless. It’s more subversive than that. It’s the kind of thing that feeds unconscious biases. Same thing with the other f-word and etc.

I guess I just don’t assign as much importance to individual words as you, or larger society for that matter. Interestingly enough, I actually gave y’all my thoughts on the so-called other f-word earlier, and no one cared! Why’s that?

I must have missed that.

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#1133492
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Not in my usage it doesn’t.

How do you use it then?

I guess that’s kind of a bad example on my part because it’s a rare word for me to use. I don’t really like the sound of it. On rare occasions, I use it to describe obnoxious people that can’t help but vocalize how gutless they are.

But don’t you see how “gutless” feeds into that stereotype?

Kind of, but I don’t think it matters because the words are separated from the genders in my mind. To quote a brilliant man, “Calling someone a pussy isn’t the same as saying ‘Don’t be such a woman.’ Calling somebody a dick isn’t the same as saying ‘Don’t be such a man.’” No one in this day and age with a shred of decency or intelligence believes that women are inherently gutless. I actually just realized why I hate all this language policing. It’s basically because we, and by we I mean people that aren’t complete morons and aren’t complete and total piles of shit, have to watch what we say because stupid people believe stereotypes. I hate stupid people more than anything on earth, and to me, judging people based on their color or gender is essentially the stupidest, most ignorant thing that a person can do. I don’t do that because I’m not stupid enough to believe there’s merit to racism or sexism, so why should I change up my arbitrarily-deemed-offensive insults because other people are stupid enough to believe a stereotype that I myself don’t believe and everyone that knows me knows I don’t believe?

Jeebus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I guess my hangup is that there is one specific gendered insult that is supposed to be far, far worse than any other, even other female-gendered insults, and is unacceptable in any context for very vague reasons of nondescript power dynamics and vague references to “history”. I know about the historical oppression of women, but why this word rather than any other?

I’m pretty sure it’s the same reason that “fuck” is a lot worse than “shit”.

Perhaps to a soccer mom it is, but like yhwx said, they’re kind of on par with each other. I’d say those two are considered worse because of what they literally mean, but then that brings up the hypocrisy of people considering “crap” worse than “shit” so, like I said, the only consistent way to handle this stuff is to either say they’re all okay, or they all aren’t. OR even better, you take it on a case by case basis. Did the person saying it use it in a way that made him asshole? If no, then move on. If yes, then, well, move on but remember that that guy is an asshole.

You’re looking at it as if it’s cut and dry. Gendered insults like pussy might seem like they’re harmless ultimately harmless, like you don’t really mean it in that way and that should be obvious. But the truth is that when a culture has an insult that’s irrevocably to a stereotype, whether you believe that stereotype or not, using the insult promotes it. It’s not like if you hear the word pussy enough you will suddenly come to the conclusion that women are gutless. It’s more subversive than that. It’s the kind of thing that feeds unconscious biases. Same thing with the other f-word and etc.

Fuck is definitely worse than shit. Which gets you an R-rating?

The rating system is awful and arbitrary, who cares what words they don’t like? Actually, the rating system legitimately is sexist. Exposed breasts of a woman will get you an R these days while the exposed chest of a man wouldn’t even push it to PG.

Won’t find me disagreeing with any of this.

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#1133459
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Not in my usage it doesn’t.

How do you use it then?

I guess that’s kind of a bad example on my part because it’s a rare word for me to use. I don’t really like the sound of it. On rare occasions, I use it to describe obnoxious people that can’t help but vocalize how gutless they are.

But don’t you see how “gutless” feeds into that stereotype?

Jeebus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I guess my hangup is that there is one specific gendered insult that is supposed to be far, far worse than any other, even other female-gendered insults, and is unacceptable in any context for very vague reasons of nondescript power dynamics and vague references to “history”. I know about the historical oppression of women, but why this word rather than any other?

I’m pretty sure it’s the same reason that “fuck” is a lot worse than “shit”.

Perhaps to a soccer mom it is, but like yhwx said, they’re kind of on par with each other. I’d say those two are considered worse because of what they literally mean, but then that brings up the hypocrisy of people considering “crap” worse than “shit” so, like I said, the only consistent way to handle this stuff is to either say they’re all okay, or they all aren’t. OR even better, you take it on a case by case basis. Did the person saying it use it in a way that made him asshole? If no, then move on. If yes, then, well, move on but remember that that guy is an asshole.

Fuck is definitely worse than shit. Which gets you an R-rating?

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#1133426
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

It should be up to us. We speak the language. If people were willing to take the time to realize the context and intent of people’s use of words then it would help a lot.

By “us” I meant the two of us. It’s not as easy as telling everyone “hey, that word that offends you? don’t be offended anymore.”

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#1133415
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

I guess my hangup is that there is one specific gendered insult that is supposed to be far, far worse than any other, even other female-gendered insults, and is unacceptable in any context for very vague reasons of nondescript power dynamics and vague references to “history”. I know about the historical oppression of women, but why this word rather than any other? I don’t get it, I probably never will, I don’t particularly care to, I just find it a little interesting. Also, what about context? You’ve brought it up before. If I live in the UK is it suddenly acceptable? If a UK person moves here are they suddenly “problematic?” Which culture should submit to the other? The UK has a pretty similar history of sexism as the United States does so why is it okay there? I don’t like language policing.

I don’t know why it’s that way either but the fact is it’s not up to us. And I don’t think it’s too hard to adapt to other cultural sensitivities when necessary.

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#1133379
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

yhwx said:

Is ‘dick’ as bad an insult?

To even imply that it might be would be to be completely ignorant of our culture’s history of misogyny.

Either all gendered insults are okay or they’re all unacceptable. I say they’re all okay. That same standard should be applied to all categories by the way.

DominicCobb said:

yhwx said:

Is ‘dick’ as bad an insult?

To even imply that it might be would be to be completely ignorant of our culture’s history of misogyny.

Maybe in the future if men and women swap power dynamics then “dick” will be unacceptable. Ideally, we’d live in a truly equal world, but even then we’d have to be generations removed to get away from the history of the words. But yes, in this ideal future, gendered insults would all be okay. But that’s not the world we live in now.

Do you think “pussy” is an acceptable insult?

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