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#1070130
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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imperialscum said:

DominicCobb said:

imperialscum said:

DominicCobb said:

imperialscum said:

TV’s Frink said:

But if you think the PT is better made, or do something insane like give the PT a 5/10 and RO a 1/10, you’re just trolling for reactions.

TFA plot is way bigger mess than any PT plot. It is simply horrible. So ranking TFA below PT is completely natural in this respect. When you also count in the complete lack of originality in TFA, the judgement is clear.

Evidence that your repeated opinions are worthless and add nothing to the discussion: Frink isn’t even talking about TFA, he’s talking about RO (which I thought you liked).

Check his post again…

Just because he mentioned it once doesn’t mean he’s talking about it. Dat SW Guy put TFA above the PT and RO below, that’s what he’s responding to. You even cut out the part where Frink mentioned TFA. Clearly you made a mistake, I’m just shocked, I didn’t know the Truth™ made mistakes.

He said: “If you don’t like either TFA or RO, that’s fine. If you prefer to watch the PT to those two movies, ok that’s your prerogative. But if you think the PT is better made, or…”

The last part refers to what was established in the first sentence. The longer version of it would be “But if you think the PT is better made than either TFA or RO (those two movies), or…”. It is basic grammar.

But if you think the PT is better made, or do something insane like give the PT a 5/10 and RO a 1/10, you’re just trolling for reactions.

This is what you quoted, which explicitly refers to RO, which Dat SW Guy ranked below the PT, but then you talked about TFA. I don’t know how to make this clearer.

Also the fact that you talk about grammar when you have consistently the worst grammar of anyone on this site is hilarious.

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#1070105
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
Time

imperialscum said:

DominicCobb said:

imperialscum said:

TV’s Frink said:

But if you think the PT is better made, or do something insane like give the PT a 5/10 and RO a 1/10, you’re just trolling for reactions.

TFA plot is way bigger mess than any PT plot. It is simply horrible. So ranking TFA below PT is completely natural in this respect. When you also count in the complete lack of originality in TFA, the judgement is clear.

Evidence that your repeated opinions are worthless and add nothing to the discussion: Frink isn’t even talking about TFA, he’s talking about RO (which I thought you liked).

Check his post again…

Just because he mentioned it once doesn’t mean he’s talking about it. Dat SW Guy put TFA above the PT and RO below, that’s what he’s responding to. You even cut out the part where Frink mentioned TFA. Clearly you made a mistake, I’m just shocked, I didn’t know the Truth™ made mistakes.

Wazzles said:

imperialscum said:

TV’s Frink said:

But if you think the PT is better made, or do something insane like give the PT a 5/10 and RO a 1/10, you’re just trolling for reactions.

TFA plot is way bigger mess than any PT plot. It is simply horrible. So ranking TFA below PT is completely natural in this respect. When you also count in the complete lack of originality in TFA, the judgement is clear.

I think that your opinion is ridiculous, but would you care to explain why you feel that way?

I can help - “rehash, crap, rehash, rehash, crap, crap, rehash.”

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#1070074
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
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imperialscum said:

TV’s Frink said:

But if you think the PT is better made, or do something insane like give the PT a 5/10 and RO a 1/10, you’re just trolling for reactions.

TFA plot is way bigger mess than any PT plot. It is simply horrible. So ranking TFA below PT is completely natural in this respect. When you also count in the complete lack of originality in TFA, the judgement is clear.

Evidence that your repeated opinions are worthless and add nothing to the discussion: Frink isn’t even talking about TFA, he’s talking about RO (which I thought you liked).

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#1069945
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars Soundtracks
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Anakin’s Dark Deeds is probably simultaneously the best and worst part of the soundtrack. The beginning is just waaaay too much. I’m of the opinion that choir should only be used sparingly in SW scores, and on this cue it just goes way over board. However the latter part of the track (as it’s presented on the OST) is kind of undeniably amazing (especially as it appears in the film and in fan expanded scores).

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#1069942
Topic
Star Wars Episode IX to be directed by Colin Trevorrow
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Fang Zei said:

Disco_Lobot said:

Fang Zei said:

This discussion of changing writers from one movie to the next kind of begs the question of whether VIII and IX will even vaguely resemble George’s outlines for VIII and IX or if Lucasfilm is totally and completely doing its own thing now.

I’m highly doubtful that there was ever much of an outline in the first place.

From what I remember, Lucas had a 50-page story outline for the entire ST and hired Michael Arndt to write the screenplay for VII. Abrams eventually rewrote the script himself, keeping certain elements from Arndt’s earlier draft. For example, we know that a female protagonist was always in the cards. One of the very earliest rumors following the Disney deal was that Matthew Vaughn would direct with Chloe Grace Moretz in the starring role.

The only major difference I remember hearing about was Abrams giving the original characters a bigger role in the story. I’m sure there were other differences, apparently enough for the “white slavers” comment from Lucas, but did TFA at least vaguely resemble his outline for VII or was it really that different?

George showing up at Celebration makes me wonder if TLJ isn’t going to get back to what he had in mind for the ST.

EDIT: Cobb beat me to it.

50 pages? I never got the impression it was that exhaustive, but then again there hasn’t been a whole lot said on the matter.

One of the closest things to official BTS material about the script is the Art of book, which doesn’t go into much but it does make it seem like there were some specific ideas from the outset (female protagonist - Rey, some sort of pirate type I think? - Finn, and a Jedi Killer - Kylo) that may or may not have been from Lucas. The book also makes it clear that the development process was very much an evolution, presumably starting with the treatment, through with Arndt’s contributions (and it’s not clear if he ever completed a draft) and when JJ was added, and then when JJ brought Kasdan on and they took over writing duties (I think many assumed that Arndt was fired or something but it seems like he still contributed even after he stopped physically writing).

Ultimately I guess whatever Lucas’s contributions were weren’t enough to get him a “story by” credit, while Arndt’s contributions were enough to just get him a straight up screenplay credit. So they must have evolved the script quite a bit beyond whatever George had in mind.

Whether TLJ or IX will have anything to do with that initial treatment, who knows. We probably won’t find out until after IX is out (I’m sure the reason the TFA Making of book was indefinitely delayed is because there were potential TLJ and IX spoilers in the development stages).

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#1069917
Topic
Star Wars Episode IX to be directed by Colin Trevorrow
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There was at least a vague outline and apparently a few concepts did make it to TFA. I don’t know why the filmmakers should feel like they have any obligation to follow it though, it’d be pretty silly to lock themselves into that story, whatever it was (and who knows how much of a story it was). Lucas drifted quite a bit from his own treatments for all the other SW movies anyway. Just how the creative process works.

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#1069912
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars Soundtracks
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joefavs said:

DominicCobb said:

Doesn’t make up for the fact that the rest of the score is mostly pretty boring, honestly.

I don’t think it’s any more boring than ROTS. A big part of what I’m considering for my ranking is the relative strength of the themes introduced in each film, and on those grounds Sith is absolutely the loser.

No doubt about that. ROTS pretty much only has Grievous’s theme and Battle of the Heroes, the former being merely serviceable and the latter a set piece more than an actual theme. AOTC’s non-Across the Stars themes aren’t much either (one for Kamino, one for the Separatists, and then one for the monsters which barely counts because it was mostly cut out), but Across the Star is really freaking good.

Still, for me, it’s a lot of factors that push ROTS over. The biggest being that AOTC has almost a complete cut and paste job for its climax (both films suffer from this but it really doesn’t get any worse than the battle of Geonosis). The other being that ROTS is just more enjoyable an experience to listen to on its own. Sure, it’s way over the top, but taken as its own thing, separate from the other SW scores, it works really well actually. There are some good expanded score edits of both of them out there and I find ROTS a much more fulfilling listen than AOTC.

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#1069821
Topic
STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"**ADYWAN** - **Suggestions now closed**
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Tantive3+1 said:

doubleofive said:

Editroid said:

Please don’t judge me when I say that I hope the Revisited versions of the OT won’t contradict the official versions of the PT. Then again, since the OT is so sacred to many, most of the changes made to them are aesthetic, and not story-related.

Some of Adywan’s changes to RotJ may depend on what he can change in the PT. I’m still sure they’ll fit better than how much the PT already contradicts the OT.

Can you make a list on everything that’s been announced about ROTJ:R.

One of the things I’ve heard about is that Lando will be dying.

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#1069713
Topic
The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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Chlorine said:

DominicCobb said:

Chlorine said:

DominicCobb said:

Chlorine said:

DominicCobb said:

I’d rather not repeat arguments I’ve had here ad naseum, but I’ll say there’s only one egregious use of abilities from Rey, and that’s the mind trick. Using the force in the duel is easily explained. Maz’s words were specifically that the force has always been there in her and if she closes her eyes she can feel it.

But then again you called Maz “orange Yoda” so I don’t know why I’m bothering.

I mean, they make a point to one up Yoda by saying she’s not 900 years old, no, she’s 1000 years old.
And she’s a little knee high thing, and she’s wise.

Oh sorry, didn’t realize that made them the exact same character. By that logic, at least 50% of all SW characters are rehashes of each other.

What is a joke?
Obviously she is not literally "Yoda, but orange."
BUT, she is used as a plot device for the for a similar purpose. She tells Rey about the force. And as I said, she’s about as old as Yoda, she is also dimunitive, and she is also wise.

Again, I don’t know why I bothered. Joke or not, you’re still making a lame and really strained comparison. Just to poke one whole in, how is Yoda not “Obi-Wan, but small and green”?

Because my comparison was about both appearance and characteristics.

I can see there’s no helping you.

imperialscum said:

DominicCobb said:

Again, I don’t know why I bothered.

Instead of posting this question here several times, I suggest you take five minutes and ask that question yourself instead. Then make a decision whether you can ignore the fact that TFA is shit or you will continue to bother people who state that fact.

Ironic as you post for the millionth time your worthless opinion on the film.

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#1069695
Topic
Last movie seen
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dahmage said:

i really like Interstellar as well. it was probably my top movie of 2014. I need to watch it again soon!

Same

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#1069693
Topic
The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
Time

Chlorine said:

DominicCobb said:

Chlorine said:

DominicCobb said:

I’d rather not repeat arguments I’ve had here ad naseum, but I’ll say there’s only one egregious use of abilities from Rey, and that’s the mind trick. Using the force in the duel is easily explained. Maz’s words were specifically that the force has always been there in her and if she closes her eyes she can feel it.

But then again you called Maz “orange Yoda” so I don’t know why I’m bothering.

I mean, they make a point to one up Yoda by saying she’s not 900 years old, no, she’s 1000 years old.
And she’s a little knee high thing, and she’s wise.

Oh sorry, didn’t realize that made them the exact same character. By that logic, at least 50% of all SW characters are rehashes of each other.

What is a joke?
Obviously she is not literally "Yoda, but orange."
BUT, she is used as a plot device for the for a similar purpose. She tells Rey about the force. And as I said, she’s about as old as Yoda, she is also dimunitive, and she is also wise.

Again, I don’t know why I bothered. Joke or not, you’re still making a lame and really strained comparison. Just to poke one whole in, how is Yoda not “Obi-Wan, but small and green”?

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#1069672
Topic
The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
Time

Chlorine said:

DominicCobb said:

I’d rather not repeat arguments I’ve had here ad naseum, but I’ll say there’s only one egregious use of abilities from Rey, and that’s the mind trick. Using the force in the duel is easily explained. Maz’s words were specifically that the force has always been there in her and if she closes her eyes she can feel it.

But then again you called Maz “orange Yoda” so I don’t know why I’m bothering.

I mean, they make a point to one up Yoda by saying she’s not 900 years old, no, she’s 1000 years old.
And she’s a little knee high thing, and she’s wise.

Oh sorry, didn’t realize that made them the exact same character. By that logic, at least 50% of all SW characters are rehashes of each other.

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#1069667
Topic
The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
Time

I’d rather not repeat arguments I’ve had here ad naseum, but I’ll say there’s only one egregious use of abilities from Rey, and that’s the mind trick. Using the force in the duel is easily explained. Maz’s words were specifically that the force has always been there in her and if she closes her eyes she can feel it.

But then again you called Maz “orange Yoda” so I don’t know why I’m bothering.

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#1069659
Topic
The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
Time

Haha don’t think I’ve ever seen that done before in this conversation. Good job? I guess? I feel like I could probably nitpick some of those but whatevs.

I wish the debate would die. With the Mary Sue thing, I feel like I’ve said this waaay too many times, but the thing is that with the term there are misogynistic implications. Hypothetically that kind of criticism could be thrown against characters of any gender, but they rarely do. When people specifically mention her gender when talking about how implausible her abilities are, that’s when the unfortunate implications become clear.

Ultimately, the term is just downright lazy. If people actually had well reasoned and thought out arguments about Rey’s characterization and how it affected the story/drama, I’d be more willing to engage with them. But if they’re just going to skip to name calling, that’s where I’ll brush them aside. If you’re just going to regurgitate something someone else has said on the internet, there’s no point in wasting my time.

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#1069513
Topic
Am I a Bully?
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Yeah but you have a face tattoo so what do you know

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