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Cobra Kai

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#1099288
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The Kenobi Movie
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I can’t wait to find out who they’ll name as the replacement director when they start all the reshoots!

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#1093221
Topic
4K restoration on Star Wars
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DominicCobb said:

Cobra Kai said:

SilverWook said:

And Spielberg has re-edited the movie so many damn times, I don’t even know what his preferred cut is anymore.

Well, in fairness to him, he really only re-edited it once, which is his preferred “director’s cut”.
Since the theatrical version had to be rushed into theaters to save Columbia from Bankruptcy, Spielberg didn’t have time to shoot everything and so he requested extra money the next year to finish his cut.

As for the third “special edition” cut with the footage from inside the ship, Spielberg was 100% against it from the beginning, but the studio would not give him money for his cut unless he agreed to do it.

You’ve got it a little backwards. The special edition was second, and the director’s cut was third. All three have gotten proper home video releases of course, showing it’s actually not that hard to include multiple versions of a film in one set (there is however a TV cut I believe that’s basically the theatrical and SE put together that’s never gotten a true release).

I’m personally hoping it’s the director’s cut that goes in theaters as it’s sort of the best of both worlds in terms of theatrical vs. SE (though I’ve still never seen the SE - Spielberg said the Mothership’s interior wasn’t meant to be seen and that sounded about right to me).

Yeah, I know I didnt mean to imply that was the release order, but rather that the special edition was the least significant, since Spielberg never wanted to do it. I agree with him on not showing the inside of the mother ship, and I dont consider that one a legitimate cut of the movie.

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#1093198
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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SilverWook said:

And Spielberg has re-edited the movie so many damn times, I don’t even know what his preferred cut is anymore.

Well, in fairness to him, he really only re-edited it once, which is his preferred “director’s cut”.
Since the theatrical version had to be rushed into theaters to save Columbia from Bankruptcy, Spielberg didn’t have time to shoot everything and so he requested extra money the next year to finish his cut.

As for the third “special edition” cut with the footage from inside the ship, Spielberg was 100% against it from the beginning, but the studio would not give him money for his cut unless he agreed to do it.

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#1092916
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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moviefreakedmind said:

Cobra Kai said:

I’ll send him a message and see if he knows what it was. I found another guy that was there as well.

Did anything come of this?

Not really. I got a reply back from one guy, who simply said: "The picture and sound quality was of a lower standard that we as a modern cinema audience are used to."
I again asked him if he could specify whether it was an actual 35mm print or something else, but he never replied back.

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#1091881
Topic
4K restoration on Star Wars
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My first thought was that it could even be Legacy. Mike has been in contact with members of the original crew, so I could see how that could happen.

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#1089952
Topic
Awesome Star Wars art (pic heavy!!)
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oojason said:

I’m not sure if it’s the old memory - or just that there’s just so much great Star Wars art out there, but stuff like this…

http://www.iamag.co/features/star-wars-the-art-of-ralph-angus-mcquarrie-100-concept-art/

with pics on there like this below - in which there are great little pieces I don’t recall seeing before - is pretty great…

Very cool.
I dont remember seeing these before either. Mcquarrie obviously did a ton of work over the years.

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#1086416
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Han - Solo Movie ** Spoilers **
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Alderaan said:
The question is why she hired them in the first place.

A fair question. An article I read said it was Kasdan who chose Lord and Miller and then made a big push for them with Lucasfilm/Disney.
I’m not sure why he or KK thought they would be a good fit, especially since Kennedy stated last year that the movie would have more of a “western” feel. A comedy duo doesn’t seem like the most obvious choice, although I haven’t seen all of their work.

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#1086398
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Han - Solo Movie ** Spoilers **
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Alderaan said:

Hardcore Legend said:

Alderaan said:

Why would Kathleen Kennedy have any say whatsoever on camera setups anyway.

She should start acting like a producer IMO.

You do realize she is also the president of LFL, correct?

I’m sorry, but when is it a good idea for the president of the company, to be deciding how many cameras should be used and where they should be placed?

Where can we sign up and direct Ms. Kennedy’s movies for her?

You’re jumping to conclusions here. Obviously KK was not that involved in the shoot from the beginning. It sounds like they are simply talking about the directors not working fast enough and how they did not accomplish as many shots as was on the schedule. “Set-ups” do not refer to the number of cameras being used. A set up involves everything that has to come together to get a certain shot: camera position and movement, lighting, dolly tracks, in-camera special effects, actor movements, etc. And all of these set-ups would have been planned in advance.

And remember, the specific day mentioned in the article took place very recently, after everything had pretty much reached a boiling point. I’m sure after KK and Kasdan saw the rough cut, and saw how the scenes were playing out when everything was edited together, they gave the directors specific instructions on what changes to make, scenes to reshoot, etc in order to fix certain problems with the scenes. And of course everything needed to happen within a set timeframe.

That being said, I find this all to be pretty amusing. This movie was a bad idea from the beginning and I wasn’t even planning on seeing it in the first place.

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#1084690
Topic
Automated color grading and color matching with a Machine Learning Algorithm
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DrDre said:

Stotchy said:

It’s so pleasing that there is potentially a solution to to appease everyone’s different color timing tastes without HUGE efforts of doing so manually shot-by-shot.

I for one am not a fan of the green technicolor look so Neverarbot and Vertabot alternatives are fantastic to have available!

RE your limited Verta references, can you use screen shots from Mike’s videos? Or will the Vimeo compression likely have messed with the colors?

If I understand correctly, the Verta videos are not graded yet. He first corrected Legacy to neutral colors, which he shows in his videos, and then does the color grading at the end. The four earlier shots all represent preliminary grades.

I’m just going off memory, but I assumed at least some of those videos were already graded, since he sometimes compared the color to the blu-rays and seemed to imply his restoration was how the movie was supposed to look?
Also, in the Yavin launch video when he compares the restored shot to the original print, he specifically remarks how much the “color grading” impacts the final shot in terms of dynamic range.

Again, just the impression I got from watching them, so I could be wrong.

*edit - I just watched another of his color comparison videos and he mentions that his version is how the technicolor print looked. So I guess I misunderstood and the versions in the videos are just simply corrected to match the techs and from there he does the final color grading. Is that correct?
Thanks.

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#1084070
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Well, my experience has been the complete opposite of some of you.

I have discussed the OOT with a LOT of friends and acquaintances over the years, ranging from hardcore to casual fans. Not once did I hear anything other than disgust for the SE’s, and everyone expressed their wish for an OOT release.
The last guy I talked to had just shown his kids the trilogy for the first time. They watched the blu-rays, which was his first time to see 2011 versions. His first comment was “I had forgotten how many changes were made to the movies,” and then said he would never watch those versions again. I then told him about Harmy, TN1, Legacy, etc.
(I am 40 years old, BTW, and everyone I’ve talked to about it has been about my age, give or take a few years.)

Now apart from my personal experiences, when they first announced the digital releases a while back I did look at all the social media reactions from fans. When it was first announced on Facebook from the official Star Wars page, I went through the hundreds of comments to see how many people were asking about the original versions. On the first post, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of all the comments were about the OOT. I would have to go back and look to be sure, but I recall that the number was over 70%, and then it was pretty much the same thing on all subsequent posts regarding the digital releases.

Now let’s forget all that. The fact is SW obviously has the biggest fan base of any movie in history. The original versions started one giant pop culture phenomenon and existed for 20 years before the SE’s with millions of fans growing up watching them at home on VHS.
With all of the other restorations and blu-ray releases of classic movies that have been done over the years, I find it strange that people believe an OOT release would not be profitable enough for a studio to mess with. Star Wars fans will buy just about anything anyway, and have been double-dipping on releases since the VHS days. So you will even see a significant percentage of fans who are content with the current blu-rays, purchasing an OOT release just to have in their collection.

Now, that being said, I’ve pretty much given up hope since the 40th anniversary came and went without any mention of it. I would love to hear from Mverta, but he obviously can’t or won’t share any info from his conversations with people at Disney/Fox.
Personally, I’m completely done with all things Disney at this point. I hated TFA and R1 anyway, so no big loss there…

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#1081735
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StarWarsLegacy.com - The Official Thread
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JokerRulez said:

No news is good news guys.

Patience.

–JokerRulez

Not that I have abandoned all hope, but I simply don’t have any confidence in Disney/Lucasfilm anymore. Yeah it definitely looks like Mike has gone dark for a reason, but that doesn’t automatically mean it’s good news.

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#1078843
Topic
Our open letter to Disney and Lucasfilm
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Just off the top of my head, you might try these guys, although they don’t have an enormous amount of followers, but both are OOT fans:

  • Bill Hunt / Digital Bits
  • Eric Vespe (Quint from Aint It Cool News)
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#1078437
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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poita said:

I know people have already posted this, but it was confirmed in a digital bits interview a few months ago: (https://tr.im/1c09C)
"We’ve essentially confirmed that Disney’s current 4K scan of the film is the most recent revised version (essentially the latest “special edition”), not the original theatrical edition. What’s more, Disney’s director of Library Restoration and Preservation, Theo Gluck, held a special event at Ohio State University’s Wexner Center for the Arts last night, a presentation called Animation Restoration at Walt Disney Studios. Gluck was asked there about Star Wars and reported that the original cut negative for the film currently exists in its “SE” configuration only."
When asked if there were any plans for an OT restoration, the answer was no:
"Disney’s director of Library Restoration and Preservation Theo Gluck, and 20th Century Fox’s Senior VP of Library and Tech Services Shawn Belston have confirmed to the outlet that no such work on a reconstruction has begun."
https://tr.im/1c09C

More recently, about 16 minutes into this interview, Kathleen Kennedy seems to rule it out:
https://omny.fm/shows/steele-wars/ep-131-3-star-wars-celebration-orlando-day-2-the-l

So, it looks like the will just isn’t there.

That LRM article is misleading. Because Nowhere in the original digital bits article did Bill Hunt quote the Disney guy as saying that there was no reconstruction effort going on. They never addressed that specifically during the event. That was just Bill Hunt speculating, and that article states Bill’s speculation as fact.
I’ve actually talked to Bill Hunt about it. He doesn’t know anything or at least he didn’t when that article was written. It was all speculation.

Also on the Kathleen Kennedy interview. That audio clip you posted is heavily edited. Watch the unedited video. It’s obvious that she initially has no idea what he is talking about, and then he actually specifies at the end about making changes to the “special editions” to which she replies that she wouldn’t touch those.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZO0_yYvmxo

Now all that being said, do I believe they have plans to release it? No, not really. I will be pretty shocked if it actually happens this year or in the near future. But there hasn’t been any definitive statement yet from someone at Disney/Lucasfilm that rules it out.

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#1073688
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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I am not a great writer, but I do write copy for a living as a marketing director for a medium size corporation. There is some good stuff here (I love the line about Lucas lighting a spark), although I still see some things that can be tightened up and edited. I’ll take a stab at it tonight/tomorrow and let you look at it, ignore it, whatever.

I also agree with others here that the “alternative methods” part needs to be omitted. I think this letter needs to be 100% positive in tone, and that line kind of stuck out to me as I read it as not fitting in with the rest of the message. I really wouldn’t even bring up that whole subject in the first place.

As for the whole nostalgia angle… Heck yeah. Nostalgia can be a very powerful thing, and I totally agree with using that as the foundation for the letter. A personal and passionate plea for something that had such an incredible impact on us growing up, is a sentiment that a lot of people who may possibly read this will be able to relate to.

Anyway, I just watched this cool video that was recently made about that very subject, so it seems perfectly relevant to the conversation here. In fact, we need this guy to make a video for us, haha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaSWGwKKFxk

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#1072179
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Cthulhunicron said:

So why does Lucasfilm know about his restoration if he doesn’t plan on releasing it?

Because he told them about it, probably.
Mike has done contract work on a few projects for Lucasfilm and Disney over the years and has many contacts there. He has always been open about Legacy and the fact that he wasn’t going to release it is precisely why he was able to obtain such good sources.

His plan after finishing the work was to set up a screening for executives with the hope that one day it might be actually used for a release. He last stated in November that he had found “the guy” at Disney and through those conversations was connected with “the guy” at Fox with tentative plans for a screening in late February.

And yes, he has good sources but he also developed new techniques to combine information together from his multiple sources, so his restoration is most definitely the best SW has ever looked.

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