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#159257
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Do you think Lucas really knows there is demand for the O-OT on DVD?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/159257/action/topic#159257
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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
Yeah....isn't it unholy ironic that we're cheering for the money makers instead of the artist here???

It is indeed, but I'm pulling for the suits also. Give me the first film in it's original form and I'll be very happy. After that, I won't care if he releases 10 different versions.

The first version of the first film, George, that's all. As the band Nazareth put it....." I aint asking for much"

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#159159
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redeeming lucas
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/159159/action/topic#159159
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Originally posted by: Cable-X1

Adam....you haven't seen the entire OOT and yet you come here and sprout all your bullshit.

A clever troll doesn't need a history with the subject matter of a forum. They need only a basic understanding of the subject matter and knowledge of what most of the members like and dislike. After a little lurking to get a feel for the level of moderation, they join and start contradicting the views of the others accordingly. It's control for them. They can make people react remotely and through the anonymity of the internet. It's power and notoriety they lack in their real world.

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#159060
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Rank the changes made to the OT from worst to best (or least worst?)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/159060/action/topic#159060
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Originally posted by: battlewars

well there you go, lucas has no damn clue

That's it really. He's lost his ability to keep up with all his bullshit about how it's now actually the story he had in his head back in the 70s.
His constant altering of, and lying about the first films to try to make them fit the current films (28 years later), is where his weaknesses as a story teller\writer really show themselves.
A truly great writer would have made the new story fit in with what they had already written decades earlier. They would have done this by deep thinking and using their imagination. Since he can do neither, his only recourse is to remove scenes and erase the performances of actors that don't fit the new(and much weaker) storyline and that contradict his lies about the past.

In doing so, he's had to shrink the story significantly as well as the imaginary, vast universe it takes place in and that all the original characters came from. The story used to be something on par with the enormity of the Milky Way Galaxy. Now it's a little story that could take place in our solar system.

In 1977, Star Wars was a giant, wondrous, magical, outer space adventure story with a hero, a princess, a vigilante, a mentor, a villain, and an array of creatures from far away imaginary worlds.

Now, it's just a family squabble bedtime story where everyone lives happily ever after.
It's no different and no bigger than The Wizard Of Oz - turns out that the lion was only uncle Zeke.

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#158568
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redeeming lucas
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158568/action/topic#158568
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Originally posted by: Anchorhead
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
I wouldn't really have a problem with it.

You don't know how you'll feel about it twenty years from now. You can't.


And neither can you.



But I can know, and I do know. The movie I saw as a kid 28 years ago has been altered considerably. Scenes have been added, characters changed, added, and removed. The whole story has been altered. I don't like the changes. I don't like what someone did to the film I saw as a kid.

The movies you're experiencing now (prequels), are still the same and it's still now.
The movies I experienced as a kid (originals), are not and it's 28 years later.

You can't see your future - but I can see my past.
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#158563
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redeeming lucas
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158563/action/topic#158563
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Originally posted by: Anchorhead
...after he removes scenes with actors you are watching now and replaces them with actors that weren't even born when the prequels were filmed and then lies and says it's what he actually had in mind way back in 2004 ...
Originally posted by: The Bizzle
but he's already done that...There's stuff added


No. He hasn't. He's only enhanced the movie from what it was a couple of years ago - with footage or CGI that was done at the same time as the original, with the same actors. He's not changed the story or the characters.
You won't be able to understand the difference until you experience it. You won't be able to experience it until a long time has passed. That's just the way it is.
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#158535
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redeeming lucas
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158535/action/topic#158535
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Originally posted by: CO

As I said, somewhere down the road Lucas is gonna change something that you think is wrong, and he'll say as always, "These are my movies, and this is my vision." And you'll be bitching like the rest of us.


That's it in a nutshell. Prequel lovers don't understand yet because no matter how hard they try, no matter how much they think they can understand -- they can't understand twenty years from now.

Years from now, after Lucas makes major story and character changes to your beloved prequels, after he inserts scenes that didn't take place, after he removes scenes with actors you are watching now and replaces them with actors that weren't even born when the prequels were filmed and then lies and says it's what he actually had in mind way back in 2004 - then and only then will you finally understand.
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#125183
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Did George actually have an "original vision?"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/125183/action/topic#125183
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Originally posted by: DarthAstuart
I do think one significant distinction is that the prequels HAD to have been made with at least one eye toward the marketing and tie-ins, and I don't know that ESB was. ANH definitely wasn't cause who knew if toys and shit would even sell?

Fox didn't think the film was going to do too well, so instead of giving Lucas a cut of the box office take, they gave him the rights to the marketing tie-ins as a token gesture. Little did they know the Pandora's Box they were opening by turning product tie-ins over to a marketing genius.

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ROTJ was the beginning--that interview bit from lucas (in one of the many books) where he reveals he created the ewoks so that he could have a toy ewok to give his daughter.

He really is a sad figure.

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#125182
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Did George actually have an "original vision?"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/125182/action/topic#125182
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Originally posted by: electrictroy

Just off the top of my head, here are some sci-fi stories I consider superior to Star Wars:

- Gattaca - .....

An awesome film and a great story as well. I would add Solaris to my list of great science fiction stories also.


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Star Wars....from a not-so-talented author. ...if you expect more, you're going to be disappointed.

Which is exactly why he shouldn't have given us any more after 1977. He should have quit while he was ahead. When Star Wars was all there was. Personally, I didn't need to know any more about the characters or the story. I had my imagination for that.
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#125181
Topic
Did George actually have an "original vision?"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/125181/action/topic#125181
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Originally posted by: The Bizzle
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It will instead be long remembered for how vulgar the mass marketing tie-ins became.

how vulgar they "Became?"

I was speaking of the whole Star Wars timeline - 1977 to 2005. I should have been more clear on that.

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chances are... you were like, 8 years old and wanted to buy the stuff.

No, I was 16 and had no interest in it.

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The prequels don't do ANYTHING to the first films unless you LET THEM.

Yes, I KNOW that. That's WHY I didn't SEE any OF them after TPM.


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the prequels are their own movies

That's not the way Lucas sees it. He's doing everything he can to make sure that future generations(as well as the current fans) can't seperate the two either.

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But to claim that these movies didn't get over-merchandised until 1999 is ridiculousness.

I didn't make that claim - you assumed I did.

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you can ignore the prequels. It's real easy.

Yes it is, and I have.

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You're telling me TPM, AOTC and ROTS somehow made Star Wars and Empire LESS GOOD?
Don't buy it.

When viewed as a single entity (as Lucas would like people to), yes - the last 4 films weaken the story and taint the history of the actual films because most people won't single ANH or ESB out - and Lucas is working as fast and as hard as he can to see to it that they can't.
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#124639
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Did George actually have an "original vision?"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/124639/action/topic#124639
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Originally posted by: Jedikev
.... a bunch of fucking bullshit.
Everything about LucASS' prequels are.

I completely agree. They radically cheapened the credibility of the first films. The Star Wars saga will never be considered great film making now. It will instead be long remembered for how vulgar the mass marketing tie-ins became. It may have been different if he left the two sets of films separate. People could choose one storyline or the other. Instead, he made everything in the prequels somehow related to the first trilogy - no matter how preposterous or small the story became. Even more obscene is how he altered the first set of films 25 years later by castrating and altering characters, and adding footage from the new films. All in the name of marketing tie-ins directed at children.

Sad.
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#123911
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Did George actually have an "original vision?"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/123911/action/topic#123911
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Originally posted by: Shimraa
...if he had just alowed the guard to shoot.

He would have killed one of the more popular characters in the film. One that represents a huge portion of the marketing tie-ins. No more Chewie action figures or halloween costumes - no more using Chewie to sell potato chips, breakfast cereal, candy, tacos, or soft drinks.

Marketing first, story last.

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#123266
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Quotes from Gary Kurtz
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/123266/action/topic#123266
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Originally posted by: joe_H
...he is wrongly given this credit by disgruntled fanboys like those on this site. It's a complete load of bull.

...He created nothing, wrote nothing, and directed nothing...

...Typical stupidity from whiny fanboys angry at Lucas...who don't have a clue.

...Bullshit Kurtz. You split over money

....At least McCallum can keep a film on budget and on schedule, unlike Kurtz.

...If Kurtz was half as brilliant as disenchanted fanboys think he is, he would have his pick of films to produce.


Dude....might be time to start considering decaf.

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#122567
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Quotes from Gary Kurtz
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/122567/action/topic#122567
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"There's a lot of undercurrent in Star Wars .....the thing that bothered me a bit about Jedi and certainly about Episode I, is that those layers, those subtexts – they're all gone. ..... There's nothing to ponder."

That's exactly what I was referring to in another post when I said Lucas started to shrink the adventure of the story towards the end of Empire. He continued to do it even more in the prequels.

That is an awesome read, especially coming from someone who was there.