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#1162162
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The Sequel Trilogy complete redux
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Jake Skywalker said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

reducing Starkiller Base to just that: a base.

Yes. Or maybe, just maybe, the FO capital planet?

It’d be kind of anticlimactic to destroy the enemy captital in the first film. Besides, it didn’t look like an actual city. It seemed to be only a military base. Then again, for all we know, military bases might be the closest the First Order has to cities, and maybe all their “citizens” are conscripted into the army. Anyway, I just don’t see the point in making it their capital.

I would like to add cacti to Jakku and maybe water to make it more distinct from Tatooine.

That would be great! Or, maybe, just changing the sand and/or sky colour could be enough to make Jakku different.

I had also considered changing the sky color, but I didn’t think it was possible, given that chroma key couldn’t do it (I tried). I don’t think we’re gonna keyframe a third of the film to change Jakku’s sky color. I figured adding things like cacti would be more feasible.

Han’s character can be fixed extremely easily by making him a Resistance general who does smuggling on the side, and was sent to find out what happened to Poe. If you remove the Rathtar scene like so many seem to, you could even make him a fulltime general with no smuggling.

How do you make him search for Poe? I don’t recall him even speak about or interact with him.

He just needs to say he’s looking for a certain Resistance member.

I don’t see any problem with what happened to Luke’s character, and while I do agree it sucks to be back to the “last Jedi” status quo, there’s not much we can do about it.

Well… I’m wondering if it’s possible to move the Luke Vs. Kylo duel at the end of VII, making Luke to be actually there. And then having the Rey training in VIII, as it is but before she make any use of the Force. Of course this isn’t easy…

That’s an interesting idea, but I’m pretty indifferent to it. Besides, it’s not really doable.

Luke had no problem lifting his lightsaber from the snow in ESB. I agree that performing a mind trick is on a whole other level, and thus should be cut, but that’s about it.

Luke already had some sort of training with Ben a the beginning of TESB. Before meeting Ben he wasn’t able to do any of the Force related stuff. So should be Rey before meeting Luke.

Oh yeah, I’m sure one session of blindfolded blaster bolt deflection is all you need to reach the skill level of a padawan.

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#1162151
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Lucasfilm's movie plans post Ep. IX
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ElectroDroid said:

2018 HAN SOLO
2019 EPIX
2020 OBI WAN MOVIE
EARLY 2020s: “NEW REPUBLIC” TV SHOW (ANIMATED), ON DISNEY XD
EARLY 2020S: LIVE ACTION TV SHOW, EXCLUSIVE ON DISNEY’S ANTI-NETFLIX STREAMING PLATFORM
LATE 2020S: RIAN JOHNSON TRILOGY
EARLY 2030S: SEQUEL SEQUEL TRILOGY

There’s no way it’ll be that long before Johnson’s trilogy comes out. It’s already been announced, meaning it’s probably in pre-production. I expect it it’ll take over the saga film’s role of being the big movies releasing every two years, with the spinoffs releasing during this trilogy’s off years.

Since this isn’t a saga trilogy, though, I really think not making it three parts would be nice. It would help it feel more unique. Might I suggest four parts? It could be the last SW before the franchise goes on hiatus, eventually leading to the…uh…Post-Sequel Trilogy? Second Sequel Trilogy? It’s just gonna be called the Fourth Trilogy isn’t it. sigh Anyways, Episode X would release around 2030.

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#1161970
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Childhood Misconceptions (aka The Trap Thread, but misconceptions still welcome)
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As a kid I thought a green lightsaber meant you were a Jedi Master, since Luke got one when he finished his training, and everyone who had one was a master (Yoda, Qui-Gon). It then occurred to me that Obi-Wan had a blue saber despite being a master. I assumed that was just an exception, but over the years, I noticed more masters with blue sabers and came to realize how meaningless the coloration was.

Honestly, I find it kind of dumb that they would give Jedi an alternate saber color without any real reason. It’s not like they decided Jedi could have any color saber. They specifically gave them blue and green. All colors, or just blue, and only Luke had green because he was more balanced than the Jedi, I could understand, but blue and green? Why? On top of that, the two BTS explanations I’ve heard provide pretty weak reasoning for Luke having green in RotJ; either they didn’t think audiences were smart enough to figure out that this was a new lightsaber and that they’d wonder how he got his old one back, or they thought blue didn’t contrast enough against the blue sky of Tatooine.

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#1161966
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Eliminating the Map MacGuffin in TFA
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I’d say have it be a map to the first Jedi Temple, which Luke had been looking for when he disappeared. That way instead of the map literally being a record of Luke’s journey, the map leads to the place where the Resistance had logically deduced Luke would be.

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#1159935
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Idea: Editing SW into a Game Of Thrones style tv series
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I wouldn’t too much about a dissonance in how advanced the camerawork is. I think it’s something that’s easy enough to overlook. At most you might need to add a shot or two that fit modern standards into OT so they feel less out of place, but much of that has already been done with the SE anyways.

In regards to episode length, how about the standard 22 minutes? I certainly don’t think it should be cut down to the length of a single scene.

Also, I’ve been thinking of adding a slight visual filter to hide the difference between lifelike CG cinematics and actual live-action. This could perhaps also help hide the difference in style between scenes shot in different decades. Maybe it could even hide film defects in OT deleted scenes. Idk. Just a though.

Btw, you should probably remove the Boba Fett film from you intial post, since that’s definitely not happening ATM.

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#1159924
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How many 'Bad' Star Wars movies could you take before you check out?
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jollyreaper said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

jollyreaper said:

The three Disney films all share the same flaws. Rogue One had a decent third act but that didn’t redeem the first two acts. They should have avoided EU-style tie-in stories and simply done a separate Rogue Squadron film. That’s what I’ve been dying for since ROTJ, more adventures set in the Galactic Civil War era but separate from the OT heroes.

That’s exactly what RO is. Yes, it does tie in to ANH, but it still stars entirely new characters.

Not exactly. It is an EU-style tie-in by which I mean it’s taking a story from the OT and telling the other side of it in a way that feels redundant. It also introduces serious head-scratcher with Vader seeing Leia’s ship escape and then confronting her in ANH.

“I’m on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan.”
“Princess, please. I literally just saw you fly away from the battle on this very ship like ten minutes ago.”

While I have some sympathy towards wanting to explain how the Empire could have a flaw in their superweapon so great that a team of engineers with like an hour to look over the plans could spot it, the way they executed the plot point was awkward. Making it be protagonist’s father and having him on mountainous rain world and circumstances conspiring for him to have a final talk with her before dying in her arms and then the plans being in a robotic tape archive and all that. It felt cumbersome and like video game logic.

What’s interesting is that there’s actual canon explanations for what that first battle to get the plans was like. It’s in the radio drama and was elaborated on a little bit more with input from Lucasfilm. I think they did reference some of this when writing RO since there’s a battle to get the plans on the ground and everyone in the raid is killed after transmitting the plans into space which are intercepted by the Tantive IV.

I just felt the first two acts had too many characters, not enough focus and tried to hang on cool visuals rather than plot beats that made sense. But that’s just me.

My point is it’s technically what you asked for, even if it isn’t necessarily what you wanted.

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#1159708
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How many 'Bad' Star Wars movies could you take before you check out?
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jollyreaper said:

The three Disney films all share the same flaws. Rogue One had a decent third act but that didn’t redeem the first two acts. They should have avoided EU-style tie-in stories and simply done a separate Rogue Squadron film. That’s what I’ve been dying for since ROTJ, more adventures set in the Galactic Civil War era but separate from the OT heroes.

That’s exactly what RO is. Yes, it does tie in to ANH, but it still stars entirely new characters.

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#1159448
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Idea: Editing SW into a Game Of Thrones style tv series
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HerekittykittyX said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

What’s wrong with using the LotR scene?

One why use lord of the rings footage.

Two most people will pick up on this.

Three Gandalf doesn’t sound like a jedi name and they explain in attack of the Clones that Yoda is count dookus master and star wars a greddy future not fantasy.

Since the definitive versions of the SW saga will always be movies to me. They can be fanedits, but they should still be seperated into the Episodes they are traditionally known as. Thus, I see this project more as an alternative than a replacement. Consequently, I think this should be more experimental in an attempt to make the story as long as possible without losing cohesion or becoming boring. I see it as a fun challenge. I don’t know if that’s what the OP intended, but tbf, he opened the can of worms of using other films’ footage.

People picking up on it being from LotR is besides the point.

I was just calling Gandalf to discuss the scene cuz that’s his name in the film. Presumably, he would have a different name. I didn’t say he was Dooku’s master, just a master. Actually, SW is both gritty futurism and fantasy, but I get what you mean; Middle-Earth doesn’t look like SW. Here’s the thing; we would only be using the walk in the woods by the tower, which could easily be SW (haven’t ever seen a SW fan film?) and the fight scene, which takes place in a room that looks no less SW than the Emperor’s throne room, or Snoke’s, for that matter.

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#1159412
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Eliminating the Map MacGuffin in TFA
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You would still need some sort of MacGuffin to give BB-8 so the First Order has a reason to want him captured. I don’t see how you could eliminate the MacGuffin aspect entirely.

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#1159010
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Idea: Editing SW into a Game Of Thrones style tv series
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thebluefrog said:

You are probably right, there’s just not enough material. Perhaps a much much smaller project could utilize the footage. Like, say, a 10 minute short about Qui-Gon’s training.

Example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27M5KWI_q50

I’m sure some of that footage could be edited and redubbed as young Qui-Gon’s early Jedi days or something.

Nah, it looks too distinctly non-SW. There’s candles, renaissance wigs all sorts of stuff like that.

I have an idea for a source of footage that could be used to great advantage: Saruman from Lord of the Rings as Count Dooku. At some point before the Clone Wars break out, Jedi Master Dooku Serenno (the planet he is Count of) for longer than usual. The Council sends master Gandalf to find out what he’s up to, and discover he has allied with the dark lord Sauron Darth Sidious. They have a Force-off, and Gandalf loses. Seeing as he would suddenly disappear from the plot if the Eagles save him, best to leave Gandalf dead at Dooku’s hands. And that crystal ball he uses is totally the Gungan’s plasma sphere from the end of TPM. I’m not sure what it’s power should be, but it should have some significance.

In case it somehow hadn’t come to mind, we ought to integrate the fanfilm Darth Maul: Apprentice. It’s around 20 minutes, but I suggest we trim it to avoid feeling like filler (it’s just one long fight scene) and use it to show Darth Maul doing other things before TPM. Not too sure how we could tie it into the plot.

As someone who hasn’t seen Blade Runner, I’m guessing there must be some stuff we can use in there. It’s probably not much, though. Maybe there’s enough between it and its recent sequel to show a bit of what Han’s up to between RotJ and TFA.

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#1158994
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Idea: Editing SW into a Game Of Thrones style tv series
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HerekittykittyX said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

In an ideal world, the footage of Rebels and other cartoons could be used, but the change in style is simply too jarring to pull that off. Same with most Video games, which is sad that it is too different to use.

I’d say EA’s Battlefront is close enough, so long as you don’t see any faces. Then again, the same could be said about CG Tarkin. If Tarkin is passable, maybe we just ignore the same slight offness in the Battlefront faces and use footage from that. It would provide at least 2 hours worth of content to fill the otherwise jarring gap between RotJ and TFA.

Clone wars arcs???

The visuals need to remain roughly the same throughout. We can’t use the stylized CW (either version), Rebels, or Forces of Destiny (bet you forgot that was a thing), but we can use the photorealistic CG cinematics of EA Battlefront 2, and, as you brilliantly suggest, the OR trailers. I would try to avoid time skips though. Part of what makes this project interesting is that it would theoretically flow seemlessly from TPM or earlier up to Episode IX, without any significant time skips. Not exactly sure what parts of the OR trailers would be really usable, though.

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#1158499
Topic
The Sequel Trilogy complete redux
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Any trilogy is its own thing
The Original Trilogy and the Prequels are really different, both visually and storywise (and yet, at the end of ROTS the two trilogies appears to be wonderfully tied). The sequels are just a copy-paste of the OT: their design are too similar the OT ones and, so much worse, the story it’s almost a rip off of the episodes IV to VI.
What should be done: totally rethink and rework the movies, even mixing them, to make the best out of the shot and try to tell a new story.

I don’t see much we can do about this, unfortunately. Of course we can remove the egrigious third Death Star, reducing Starkiller Base to just that: a base. Tbf, the Resistance doesn’t reuse any designs except the X-Wing and Mon Cal cruiser (supposedly they have A-wings, but I certainly didn’t see them). I would like to add cacti to Jakku and maybe water to make it more distinct from Tatooine.

The rebels won the war
They won. Period. We can’t accept to see that nothing changed. That the OT characters and their efforts lead to NOTHING at all. We can’t be satisfied with just a line in the TFA’s crawl saying that “the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire” to make us watch the same Empire Vs Rebellion story we already saw. I, personally, find depressing seeing the New Republic been destroyed in ten seconds, compared with the great ad “historically accurate” Palpatine’s rise to power we see in the prequels.
What should be done: contextualize the First Order as the reorganised Imperial remnant, a second grade power in a galaxy changed since the OT.

I really think it should’ve been a proxy war, either between the Republic and the Empire, or the populist and centrist parties of the Republic. The First Order and the Resistance should be on even ground. No more underdog stuff.

What should be done: Make Hosnian into Coruscant. Make it been bombed (but not destroyed) by Snoke’s ship a dreadnought as the first act of war. Make Leia be a representative for the Republic in a mission to seek help to other nation against the FO treat. Make Luke the Master of a new generation by imply that there are other Jedi out there or by shooting new scene with new Jedi.

FTFY

Legacy characters need to be respected
Han and Leia are back to their OT selves. Luke is a depressed asshole. No way.
What should be done: make Leia a Republic representative. Give Han some purpose, some background, whatever. Make Luke a believable evolution of his young self: he can be depressed for what happened with Kylo but he can’t be beat. And make is new generation of Jedi a reality. We already seen “the last Jedi in exile” (Ben and Yoda), let’s see something new.

I think Leia’s character progression would be fine if we saw it onscreen. She tried to warn the Senate that the First Order was a legitimate threat but they thought that was ludicrous and labelled her as a warmonger, hence having to resort to forming the Resistance. Han’s character can be fixed extremely easily by making him a Resistance general who does smuggling on the side, and was sent to find out what happened to Poe. If you remove the Rathtar scene like so many seem to, you could even make him a fulltime general with no smuggling. I don’t see any problem with what happened to Luke’s character, and while I do agree it sucks to be back to the “last Jedi” status quo, there’s not much we can do about it.

Inconsistencies with the depicting of the Force
No one can use the Force without training. Nor even Anakin could.

Luke had no problem lifting his lightsaber from the snow in ESB. I agree that performing a mind trick is on a whole other level, and thus should be cut, but that’s about it.

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#1158482
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Idea: Editing SW into a Game Of Thrones style tv series
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In an ideal world, the footage of Rebels and other cartoons could be used, but the change in style is simply too jarring to pull that off. Same with most Video games, which is sad that it is too different to use.

I’d say EA’s Battlefront is close enough, so long as you don’t see any faces. Then again, the same could be said about CG Tarkin. If Tarkin is passable, maybe we just ignore the same slight offness in the Battlefront faces and use footage from that. It would provide at least 2 hours worth of content to fill the otherwise jarring gap between RotJ and TFA.

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#1158478
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Idea: Editing SW into a Game Of Thrones style tv series
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thebluefrog said:

There’s several sci-fi/fantasy movies with the SW cast members that have them in scenarios that could be edited slightly to fit an anthology storyline.

Jon Boyega is in Pacific Rim 2.
Natalie Portman is in Annihilation.
Liam Neeson is in several fantasy films pre-Phantom Menace.
Harrison Ford is in Blade Runner, Cowboys and Aliens, Ender’s Game
Voiceovers by Mark Hamill in cartoons.
Daisy Ridley’s voiceover work in The Eagle Huntress
Plus more examples that I’ll be looking for over time, including video game cutscenes and voice acting.

All of these examples would have to be heavily trimmed, possibly even using foreign dubs and subtitles, but I think it’s possible to fit them into Star Wars.

In fact I think it would be a good idea for the fanedit community as a whole to have a list of potential OTHER movies that some lines of dialogue and shots could be plausibly used.

That’s great and all, but that’s not gonna be enough to create entire new episodes. If it were that easy, I would’ve made new Eighth Doctor adventures long ago.

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#1156993
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How to refer to Star Wars?
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ray_afraid said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Three parts of one poster?

Indeed. Still doesn’t excuse mismatching the characters, but would you rather they put RotS Palpatine on the poster for TESB?, because that’s the one that’s in the film.

That version has the original Emperor.
And, Yes, I’d certainly prefer that one be on the cover. Because that’s the one in the film.

Oh yeah I forgot this version predates the Prequels.

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#1156681
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How to refer to Star Wars?
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Three parts of one poster?

Indeed. Still doesn’t excuse mismatching the characters, but would you rather they put RotS Palpatine on the poster for TESB?, because that’s the one that’s in the film.

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#1156012
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How to refer to Star Wars?
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crissrudd4554 said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

chyron8472 said:

When I talk to my 14yo nephew about the Star Wars movies, he’s not really that big a fan and has a hard time remembering which Episode number goes by which subtitle. At one point, he asked me why I don’t just call them by their episode numbers, and I said that it wasn’t until the prequels came out that their numbers even were on the box or that Star Wars was marketed as A New Hope.

Then I showed him images of OT posters and VHS boxes to prove my point.

God those were awful posters.

It shows consistency between movies, which I’ve learned on OT.com is generally tossed out the window in favor of nostalgia (just look at the topic of this thread).

If you have a gripe with people who are nostalgic for the films they are trying desperately to preserve, why are you here??

For the fanedits. Where else is there a thriving fanedit community, let alone a SW-centric one?

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#1155978
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STAR WARS: Episode I - THE ANCIENT LORE [Episode I Remade /Proj started: 2014]
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Yeesh that’s dark. I noticed that you didn’t redub JAr Jar, but he sound a little different. Did you make his voice deeper or something? Why? Also, it’s pretty jarring when Qui-Gon says an entire line of dialog offscreen at the end. If you want that to work, you need to at least let us see him say the end of the sentence.

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#1155971
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Star Wars vs. A New Hope
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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

StrafeSawdoffe said:

The movie should have its own name to distinguish itself from the franchise as a whole.

It does…

Star Wars’ sequel is The Empire Strikes Back whose sequel is Return of the Jedi etc.

You screwed your quote. It’s me who said that, not Strafe. TBF, I’m struggling here too to quote within a quote. What’s up with Markdown today?

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#1155969
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How to refer to Star Wars?
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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

chyron8472 said:

When I talk to my 14yo nephew about the Star Wars movies, he’s not really that big a fan and has a hard time remembering which Episode number goes by which subtitle. At one point, he asked me why I don’t just call them by their episode numbers, and I said that it wasn’t until the prequels came out that their numbers even were on the box or that Star Wars was marketed as A New Hope.

Then I showed him images of OT posters and VHS boxes to prove my point.

God those were awful posters.

They’re my favorites. I love the way they all connect with stars coming out from the middle, and not repeating the same characters (though I wouldn’t’ve shoved all the protagonists into ANH’s poster, as it leaves it little for the others; Chewbacca and Jabba? That’s all we’ve got for 6?). I’m using it as the inspiration for my custom covers, using roughly (though not exactly) the same style. It shows consistency between movies, which I’ve learned on OT.com is generally tossed out the window in favor of nostalgia (just look at the topic of this thread). The original posters are not the greatest. The first one has our protagonists idealized (buff Luke, sexy Leia) in a way that seems totally at odds with the film itself. The ESB poster, is okay, I have no major gripes with it, but it could use more Lando. The RotJ poster really should’ve used a different shot of Luke. The one picked just looks…odd.

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