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Is Dune a good movie?
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I thought it looked like it had potential, but the story was too big, much too big for a feature film. The recent mini seires might fare better in spite of the lower budget, but somehow I get the feeling that Dune is a story that works best as a novel.
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Bottom line is that Lynch needed more time and more creative control to make Dune everything it could've been. What we got is weird and beautiful, and I suppose the reason so many people love it is because they're able to watch it and see all the potential it had. Somehow, that lets us forgive its shortcomings and enjoy what we did get.
I hope someday we get a Dune feature film trilogy from a great director, but even then, it would be hard to top the visual style established by Lynch.
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Originally posted by: Marvolo
I was just wondering if the movie is worth watching?
I was just wondering if the movie is worth watching?
Yep..
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The extended cut is an Alan Smithee film. They seriously screwed up some FX shots that was his real bone of contention with the EE.
There is a miniseries produced by the SciFi channel that is slavishly faithful to the book. Mostly set against CGI, this isn't as well acted, but is certainly a good watch at least once. But the Lynch/Smithee film merit rewatching like any great cult sci-fi piece.
The recent attention I've given the film reminded me how damn good it really is. Weird, but good. Brilliantly acted by everybody (except maybe Alicia Witt) and directed within an inch of its life. Not to toot my own horn, but if you're going to bother, pick up Fan Filtration's version or my own, as they both correct the worst of the EE flaws. (I haven't seen FF's version yet, but I'm pretty confident in his edit from what I've read.) If the film was worth it to not one but two of us to re-work, that is a testament unto itself.
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Originally posted by: Marvolo
I was just wondering if the movie is worth watching?
I was just wondering if the movie is worth watching?
1. Read the Books - MUCH better (the original 6, then if you really must - read all the later books)
2. The SciFi Channel films, I loved them and really think that they tell the story told in the books (more or less)
3. The David Lynch film is GREAT for what it is but is a re-telling of the Dune saga, yet I feel it's a great story all on it's own
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I really hope some day Lynch will go back and make a true director's cut of the Film. But I'm not too optimistic, we'll ever get to see it, but I almost expect a new Dune Movie (series) to be made in the next 10 years or so, a watered and dumbed down Hollywood epic with huge CGI battles, CGI deserts and CGI worms, streamlined designs, a score by Hans Zimmer, yet everything that made the Lynch Movie special, will be missing.
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Originally posted by: Amok
Despite all it's weaknesses, Dune is probably the most beautiful science fiction film ever made. True, the editing is a mess, the action scenes are weak and the final scene is poor, but all this can be forgiven if you let yourself sink in to the story and the atmosphere.
Despite all it's weaknesses, Dune is probably the most beautiful science fiction film ever made. True, the editing is a mess, the action scenes are weak and the final scene is poor, but all this can be forgiven if you let yourself sink in to the story and the atmosphere.
This is exactly what I was going to say.
The SciFi miniseries is a great adaptation, but all of the sets look like sets and the acting can be downright painful.
If you watch any cut of Lynch's 1984 version, you'll easily see that all of the actors totally embody their characters and it looks like the flick was shot on location on Arakkis and Caladan and the others. Even if you don't like Lynch's films, you at least have to recognize the fact that when he makes a movie, he perfectly creates the world in which it takes place. It's a big part of why Eraserhead is so strong.
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I should preface this by saying I saw the movie long before I read the book, and I am glad that I did it that way. When I did read the book, all the characters from the film inhabited the pages in my mind in the style and aesthetic vision of the Dune film. And I really like seeing the Dune world in that way. It was like visualizing one big long extended version of the film that I wish existed. There were some things that had to be left out, and some things that were changed. But I feel most of them were necessary for filmmaking at the time, and I actually like the movie's addition of using amplified vocal sounds as a weapon with 'weirding modules' - this was NOT in the book (standard combat was used instead), but I think it's great.
Also, Frank Herbert apparently liked Lynch's vision of Dune, and gave it his approval, saying that if you want to see what Dune really looks like then see this film. He also liked the extended cut much better than the edited version.
I'll go with what Frank Herbert said.
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P.S. - When I read the book, almost all of the characters appeared as their movie actor counterparts in my head. Incidentally, the one casting that I just couldn't picture as that character in the book was Patrick Stuart (pre-Star Trek TNG!) as Gurney Halleck. I thought he was great as Gurney, but somehow he just didn't match the way the character in the book looked. I had a different mental picture in my head for Gurney... something more like John Rhys-Davies portraying Gimli.
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"The SciFi miniseries is a great adaptation, but all of the sets look like sets and the acting can be downright painful."
Absolutely agreed. I love putting in Dune just to look at it, and the acting of the miniseries just doesn't even come close. It's not horrible, but the move just has more pure, raw emotion. There's spit coming out of many mouths in the film version.
For me, Dune has an endless watchability factor to it.
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Originally posted by: theredbaron
I think the movies are terrible. There is no substitute for the book. The videogame's awesome too, but about the only thing it has in common with the book is the sand dunes, spice and sandworms.
I think the problem here is in thinking that there IS a substitute for the book. There isn't. The idea isn't to consider the two movies (Lynch's version and the miniseries) a substitute for the book, but more like a supplement to it. Paintings of the same subject material by two different artists, if you will. Each will interpret it differently, and each viewer will further interpret that in their own way as well.I think the movies are terrible. There is no substitute for the book. The videogame's awesome too, but about the only thing it has in common with the book is the sand dunes, spice and sandworms.
And MeBeJedi is right... a big part of it is just looking at it. I prefer looking at Lynch's version, even if the miniseries was a more faithful interpretation of the original.
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Originally posted by: SKot
And MeBeJedi is right... a big part of it is just looking at it. I prefer looking at Lynch's version, even if the miniseries was a more faithful interpretation of the original.
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Originally posted by: theredbaron
I think the movies are terrible. There is no substitute for the book. The videogame's awesome too, but about the only thing it has in common with the book is the sand dunes, spice and sandworms.
I think the problem here is in thinking that there IS a substitute for the book. There isn't. The idea isn't to consider the two movies (Lynch's version and the miniseries) a substitute for the book, but more like a supplement to it. Paintings of the same subject material by two different artists, if you will. Each will interpret it differently, and each viewer will further interpret that in their own way as well.I think the movies are terrible. There is no substitute for the book. The videogame's awesome too, but about the only thing it has in common with the book is the sand dunes, spice and sandworms.
And MeBeJedi is right... a big part of it is just looking at it. I prefer looking at Lynch's version, even if the miniseries was a more faithful interpretation of the original.
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Yeah, but the question is, is Dune a good movie? and I'm flat-out just saying, "no, it's not". It doesn't stand on its own as a movie, and it doesn't distill the basic essence of what Dune is. All it gets down pat is some of the visuals (which isn't hard, what with sand and all that).
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Originally posted by: SKot
The idea isn't to consider the two movies (Lynch's version and the miniseries) a substitute for the book, but more like a supplement to it. Paintings of the same subject material by two different artists, if you will.
The idea isn't to consider the two movies (Lynch's version and the miniseries) a substitute for the book, but more like a supplement to it. Paintings of the same subject material by two different artists, if you will.
Beautifully said. No picture book in the world can capture the essence of what it is like to stand in the Vatican's Sistine Chapel or China's Forbidden City. That doesn't mean such books shouldn't exist.