Why Star Wars and physics aren’t always on the same page, based on what I remember from high school:
In Star Wars, the force is an energy field that surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together.
In physics, force just equals mass times acceleration.
DrDre said:
No, I don’t think, you understand how the laws of physics work.I work in the space sector and in fact I credit seeing Star Wars at a young age as being the catalyst for that interest. So I assure you my understanding of physics is fine, albeit entirely unnecessary for an appreciation of Star Wars.
I don’t want to turn today into another episode of “The Dre Show” so suffice to say that this discussion has already happened, and you have already been given many sound and sensible reasons. If you’ve forgotten them already then I would suggest you read back through the thread for your answers.
Yet, you cannot resist the temptation to rain on my parade, rather than leave the discussion between OutboundFlight and me, and whoever wants to participate. If you don’t want today to turn into “The DrDre Show”, then just ignore my posts. I assure you, I will be very pleased when that happens. It will save us both a lot of time, and frustration.
This thread in a nutshell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XZ6FC7hXs0
I don’t peruse this thread often anymore. I should make an effort to peruse it even less.
Maybe Holdo was the first person to think up the kamakizee lightspeed attack. As others have pointed out kamakizee is only useful in certain situations, it makes sense no one would have thought of it until now. They did say she was a brilliant general, and Poe + Hux (both experienced in the military) are confused when she turns the ship around.
Heck, Anakin in a The Clone Wars episode crashes a Republic Cruiser into a Sepratist blockade, almost sacrificing himself.
DrDre said:
No, I don’t think, you understand how the laws of physics work.I work in the space sector and in fact I credit seeing Star Wars at a young age as being the catalyst for that interest. So I assure you my understanding of physics is fine, albeit entirely unnecessary for an appreciation of Star Wars.
I don’t want to turn today into another episode of “The Dre Show” so suffice to say that this discussion has already happened, and you have already been given many sound and sensible reasons. If you’ve forgotten them already then I would suggest you read back through the thread for your answers.
If you don’t want today to turn into “The DrDre Show”…
How about “The Eminem Show”? That’s a good one.
Is it?
This thread in a nutshell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XZ6FC7hXs0
I don’t peruse this thread often anymore. I should make an effort to peruse it even less.
Awesome! LoL
" I am altering the perusal, pray I don’t alter it any further"
The problem with criticizing the kamakaze act in TLJ is that in the name of fairness, you’re going to have to nitpick the use of Ion Cannons.
“Well, if a few blasts of an ion cannon can cripple a star destroyer, why doesn’t the empire use more of them against the rebels!”
And while we’re at it, let’s nitpick how Luke was able to leave Hoth with little trouble while everyone else had to go through a blockade.
And while I’m thinking about it, if Leia knew the Falcon was rigged with a tracking device, why didn’t they go out of light speed somewhere far from the base, rendez-vous with a cruiser, and leave Han.
So yeah, you see where I’m going with this?
What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.
Rian Johnson 1 hr Q+A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xW6woTAof0&feature=youtu.be
It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher
The problem with criticizing the kamakaze act in TLJ is that in the name of fairness, you’re going to have to nitpick the use of Ion Cannons.
“Well, if a few blasts of an ion cannon can cripple a star destroyer, why doesn’t the empire use more of them against the rebels!”
Have we ever seen an Ion cannon fired from a spacecraft? Seems like the thing is huge, and probably dependent on that big power generator the Walkers took out. One can argue that particular SD captain was overconfident (our first catch of the day) and didn’t have his shields up. We also don’t see any other SD’s get hit.
And while we’re at it, let’s nitpick how Luke was able to leave Hoth with little trouble while everyone else had to go through a blockade.
The Imperial fleet is probably chasing down the bigger ships, (all of which have fled Hoth at that point) and it’s easier to slip away. Space is big, really big Wedge and those other pilots getting to their X-Wings probably did the same.
And while I’m thinking about it, if Leia knew the Falcon was rigged with a tracking device, why didn’t they go out of light speed somewhere far from the base, rendez-vous with a cruiser, and leave Han.
And make sure the cruiser brings Han his money? 😉 There are arguments that the Rebels want to bring the DS to them, gambling that they will find a weakness in time. Han refused to believe they were being tracked anyway.
Where were you in '77?
He should have. Sadly Jyn Erso forgot to tell him she found out in the Imperial archives their ability to track lightspeed 😦
The problem with criticizing the kamakaze act in TLJ is that in the name of fairness, you’re going to have to nitpick the use of Ion Cannons.
“Well, if a few blasts of an ion cannon can cripple a star destroyer, why doesn’t the empire use more of them against the rebels!”
Have we ever seen an Ion cannon fired from a spacecraft? Seems like the thing is huge, and probably dependent on that big power generator the Walkers took out. One can argue that particular SD captain was overconfident (our first catch of the day) and didn’t have his shields up. We also don’t see any other SD’s get hit.
And while we’re at it, let’s nitpick how Luke was able to leave Hoth with little trouble while everyone else had to go through a blockade.
The Imperial fleet is probably chasing down the bigger ships, (all of which have fled Hoth at that point) and it’s easier to slip away. Space is big, really big Wedge and those other pilots getting to their X-Wings probably did the same.
And while I’m thinking about it, if Leia knew the Falcon was rigged with a tracking device, why didn’t they go out of light speed somewhere far from the base, rendez-vous with a cruiser, and leave Han.
And make sure the cruiser brings Han his money? 😉 There are arguments that the Rebels want to bring the DS to them, gambling that they will find a weakness in time. Han refused to believe they were being tracked anyway.
“Yeah…bbbbut…why didn’t they have someone look into the camera and tell us this info! The movie would have been better as a result!”
What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.
Well to be fair I never thought Leia knew for sure they were being tracked. I thought she had that feeling but that she wasn’t 100% sure.
Well as soon as she arrives, she says “we haven’t much time” and they plan an attack centered around the Death Star coming to them…
What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.
He should have. Sadly Jyn Erso forgot to tell him she found out in the Imperial archives their ability to track lightspeed 😦
Right, isn’t that crazy? She had so many opportunities to do so.
The problem with criticizing the kamakaze act in TLJ is that in the name of fairness, you’re going to have to nitpick the use of Ion Cannons.
“Well, if a few blasts of an ion cannon can cripple a star destroyer, why doesn’t the empire use more of them against the rebels!”
Have we ever seen an Ion cannon fired from a spacecraft? Seems like the thing is huge, and probably dependent on that big power generator the Walkers took out. One can argue that particular SD captain was overconfident (our first catch of the day) and didn’t have his shields up. We also don’t see any other SD’s get hit.
And while we’re at it, let’s nitpick how Luke was able to leave Hoth with little trouble while everyone else had to go through a blockade.
The Imperial fleet is probably chasing down the bigger ships, (all of which have fled Hoth at that point) and it’s easier to slip away. Space is big, really big Wedge and those other pilots getting to their X-Wings probably did the same.
And while I’m thinking about it, if Leia knew the Falcon was rigged with a tracking device, why didn’t they go out of light speed somewhere far from the base, rendez-vous with a cruiser, and leave Han.
And make sure the cruiser brings Han his money? 😉 There are arguments that the Rebels want to bring the DS to them, gambling that they will find a weakness in time. Han refused to believe they were being tracked anyway.
Your post is a plausible explanation but the issue is that you can go down the rabbit hole quickly when trying to answer questions no one knows are true or not. The problem with many TLJ critics is that they don’t realize how many questions like Maviamo asked there are for the OT. They just accept them as part of the movie…or even more likely, don’t notice or think about them at all.
For me at least, I find much of the hullabaloo around TLJ to be based on these kinds of questions…outside of Luke would never act like that etc etc.
The problem with criticizing the kamakaze act in TLJ is that in the name of fairness, you’re going to have to nitpick the use of Ion Cannons.
“Well, if a few blasts of an ion cannon can cripple a star destroyer, why doesn’t the empire use more of them against the rebels!”
Have we ever seen an Ion cannon fired from a spacecraft? Seems like the thing is huge, and probably dependent on that big power generator the Walkers took out. One can argue that particular SD captain was overconfident (our first catch of the day) and didn’t have his shields up. We also don’t see any other SD’s get hit.
And while we’re at it, let’s nitpick how Luke was able to leave Hoth with little trouble while everyone else had to go through a blockade.
The Imperial fleet is probably chasing down the bigger ships, (all of which have fled Hoth at that point) and it’s easier to slip away. Space is big, really big Wedge and those other pilots getting to their X-Wings probably did the same.
And while I’m thinking about it, if Leia knew the Falcon was rigged with a tracking device, why didn’t they go out of light speed somewhere far from the base, rendez-vous with a cruiser, and leave Han.
And make sure the cruiser brings Han his money? 😉 There are arguments that the Rebels want to bring the DS to them, gambling that they will find a weakness in time. Han refused to believe they were being tracked anyway.
Your post is a plausible explanation but the issue is that you can go down the potatot hole quickly
The problem with criticizing the kamakaze act in TLJ is that in the name of fairness, you’re going to have to nitpick the use of Ion Cannons.
“Well, if a few blasts of an ion cannon can cripple a star destroyer, why doesn’t the empire use more of them against the rebels!”
Have we ever seen an Ion cannon fired from a spacecraft? Seems like the thing is huge, and probably dependent on that big power generator the Walkers took out. One can argue that particular SD captain was overconfident (our first catch of the day) and didn’t have his shields up. We also don’t see any other SD’s get hit.
And while we’re at it, let’s nitpick how Luke was able to leave Hoth with little trouble while everyone else had to go through a blockade.
The Imperial fleet is probably chasing down the bigger ships, (all of which have fled Hoth at that point) and it’s easier to slip away. Space is big, really big Wedge and those other pilots getting to their X-Wings probably did the same.
And while I’m thinking about it, if Leia knew the Falcon was rigged with a tracking device, why didn’t they go out of light speed somewhere far from the base, rendez-vous with a cruiser, and leave Han.
And make sure the cruiser brings Han his money? 😉 There are arguments that the Rebels want to bring the DS to them, gambling that they will find a weakness in time. Han refused to believe they were being tracked anyway.
Your post is a plausible explanation but the issue is that you can go down the potatot hole quickly
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Well as soon as she arrives, she says “we haven’t much time” and they plan an attack centered around the Death Star coming to them…
The line in the movie is ‘we have no time for our sorrows, commander’. Which would be true whether or not the station was on its way, since they would be keen to avoid another loss like Alderaan.
From the Revised Fourth Draft:
LEIA
We don’t have time for our sorrows,
Commander. The battle station has
surely tracked us here.
(looking pointedly to
Han)
It’s the only explanation for the
ease of our escape. You must use the
information in this R2 unit to plan
the attack. It is our only hope.
So even then she is only making an assumption.
You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)
Well as soon as she arrives, she says “we haven’t much time” and they plan an attack centered around the Death Star coming to them…
The line in the movie is ‘we have no time for our sorrows, commander’. Which would be true whether or not the station was on its way, since they would be keen to avoid another loss like Alderaan.
From the Revised Fourth Draft:
LEIA
We don’t have time for our sorrows,
Commander. The battle station has
surely tracked us here.
(looking pointedly to
Han)
It’s the only explanation for the
ease of our escape. You must use the
information in this R2 unit to plan
the attack. It is our only hope.So even then she is only making an assumption.
Honestly, I don’t really care whether or not Leia was sure or was assuming. I was just trying to make a point that if you look hard, you can find really terrible inconsistencies even in the sacred and beloved OT.
I think this thread, and any TLJ thread in any forum, has run its course for me.
What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.
This thread ran its course about a hundred pages back.
You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)
About 213 pages.
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DrDre said:
Considering the energy released on impact is proportionate to the mass times the velocity squared…consider that an object of 1kg traveling at the speed of light would have a the same energy released on impact as a nuclear bomb.
You’re more right than you may know.
The equation for kinetic energy is 1/2 the mass x velocity squared. Ek = ½mv2
A 1kg object hitting something at the speed of light;
1 Kg - 186,282 m\s = 17,350,491,762 joules.
That’s about the equivalent of 4 megatons. That puts it just shy of Castle Union but orders of magnitude more than Fat Man.
I agree with your posit that it would take very little to destroy something kinetically in the GFFA. Using a ship to do it would be a waste of a ship, nor would it need to be going anywhere near light speed. It’s been used and tested in the real world for decades. Our own SDI - aptly nicknamed Star Wars - had a kinetic energy weapons division. We also used kinetic weapons in Vietnam (Lazy Dog).
All that said; I don’t rail on it or care with regard to the GFFA because it’s a series of movies where I’m more than happy to suspend belief. I’m there to escape and watch my heroes battle the bad guys. If I want realistic space physics, I’ll watch 2001: A Space Odyssey (which I do, often).
If I want realistic space physics, I’ll watch 2001: A Space Odyssey (which I do, often).
This…except the part about watching it again. 😉