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The forum software is putting Batman & Robin at 11 when I wrote 101. Stop interfering with my posts.
You should report Jay to Jay.
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I hated Batman. I hated Gordon. Joker was fine but everyone went crazy over him only because Ledger died.
That’s BS. I had heard in passing that he had died and knew almost nothing about him and I thought he was great.
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I hated Batman. I hated Gordon. Joker was fine but everyone went crazy over him only because Ledger died.
That’s BS. I had heard in passing that he had died and knew almost nothing about him and I thought he was great.
Ok, I’ll change my statement.
Joker was fine but a large number of people went crazy over him only because Ledger died.
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I hated Batman. I hated Gordon. Joker was fine but everyone went crazy over him only because Ledger died.
That’s BS. I had heard in passing that he had died and knew almost nothing about him and I thought he was great.
Ok, I’ll change my statement.
Joker was fine but a large number of people went crazy over him only because Ledger died.
Ok that’s fair enough. I guess it depends on how you define “crazy”. I thought he was great but I don’t remember going crazy.
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I hated Batman. I hated Gordon. Joker was fine but everyone went crazy over him only because Ledger died.
That’s BS. I had heard in passing that he had died and knew almost nothing about him and I thought he was great.
Ok, I’ll change my statement.
Joker was fine but a large number of people went crazy over him only because Ledger died.
Ok that’s fair enough. I guess it depends on how you define “crazy”. I thought he was great but I don’t remember going crazy.
Crazy people often don’t remember how they got that way. 😉
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The character and the performance would have been a hit regardless (perhaps even more so if he had another chance to play him).
You think people quote “why so serious?” and etc. just because Ledger died? That’s the only crazy thing I see.
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[shrug]
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Frinks got it right. Fans would have loved Ledger anyway because it was a great performance of a loved character. But the rest of the world (most people) went nuts over it because of his death after portraying such a dark character.
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Frinks got it right. Fans would have loved Ledger anyway because it was a great performance of a loved character. But the rest of the world (most people) went nuts over it because of his death after portraying such a dark character.
To a degree you’re probably right, but I’m certain it would have been a widely popular performance (and film) regardless. Because it was great. If it wasn’t great, no one would have cared.
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Amen.
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(Replying to this post from the “[fill in the blank] Just Died!” Thread:
(Don’t even mention Chris Nolan, those films aren’t Batman or even comic book at all.)
They aren’t‽‽‽‽‽
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(Replying to this post from the “[fill in the blank] Just Died!” Thread:
(Don’t even mention Chris Nolan, those films aren’t Batman or even comic book at all.)
They aren’t‽‽‽‽‽
No, they aren’t. I actually like TDK as a movie (Though there are still some problems in there), but it still isn’t a true representation of Batman as far as I’m concerned. And none of Nolan’s films are good comic book movies. Everything about them is realism-driven, which just makes it worse when something unrealistic happens, and even aside from that, I don’t want a comic book movie that tries to distance itself from being a comic book. If you like them, that’s fine. I much prefer the wonderful comic book world of Burton’s films.
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Dek Rollins said:
And none of Nolan’s films are good comic book movies. Everything about them is realism-driven, which just makes it worse when something unrealistic happens
I’m not sure if I’m agreeing with you or disagreeing with you. I’ve never seen The Dark Knight, but The Dark Knight Rises was as dumb a comic book movie as I’ve ever seen.
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^Rises is just a poorly written film. And dumb things happening doesn’t make it a comic book. I’m talking about style. Making a world that feels like it jumped right off the pages. Giving Batman suits and gadgets that feel like comic art moving on the screen.
I think a wonderful example of what I mean is the Batmobile. Take the Tumbler and compare it to the '89 and '66 Batmobiles. The Tumbler just isn’t the batmobile. It looks like some sort of real world military equipment, not a stylized high tech supercar from a comic book.
And given that example, I do realize that in the original comic run Batman just had a regular car, but even then it didn’t take that long to get a little superhero style.
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(Replying to this post from the “[fill in the blank] Just Died!” Thread:
(Don’t even mention Chris Nolan, those films aren’t Batman or even comic book at all.)
They aren’t‽‽‽‽‽
No, they aren’t. I actually like TDK as a movie (Though there are still some problems in there), but it still isn’t a true representation of Batman as far as I’m concerned. And none of Nolan’s films are good comic book movies. Everything about them is realism-driven, which just makes it worse when something unrealistic happens, and even aside from that, I don’t want a comic book movie that tries to distance itself from being a comic book. If you like them, that’s fine. I much prefer the wonderful comic book world of Burton’s films.
I can understand thinking that the first Burton Batman movie was a true representation of Batman, but Batman Returns? Batman Forever‽ Batman and Robin‽‽‽ Bat nipples? Bat credit card‽‽‽‽ Sorry, but I’ll take the any of the Nolan films over the final 3 of Burton era easy.
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I don’t consider Batman Returns a Batman film as much as I consider it a Burton film, but I still love it way more than any of the Nolan movies.
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^Rises is just a poorly written film.
I agree it has problems and the ending was badly thought out, but it was still and entertaining movie. TDK and Batman Begins were great movies. I think TDK is the best Batman movie so far.
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I don’t consider Batman Returns a Batman film as much as I consider it a Burton film, but I still love it way more than any of the Nolan movies.
I have no idea why anyone would think that. I think Batman Returns is terrible. Batman tricked into taking it easy on Catwoman because “I’m a woman!”‽‽‽‽ Seriously‽ The Danny Devito’s Penguin just isn’t an effect villain. Nor is Max Shrek. I can easily watch Batman Begins and TDK and even TDKR over and over again. I have no desire to ever watch Batman Returns ever again.
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Ok.
Keep in mind I don’t read comic books and don’t care about superheroes. I just like Burton’s two Batman films on their own merits.
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I don’t consider Batman Returns a Batman film as much as I consider it a Burton film, but I still love it way more than any of the Nolan movies.
I have no idea why anyone would think that. I think Batman Returns is terrible. Batman tricked into taking it easy on Catwoman because “I’m a woman!”‽‽‽‽ Seriously‽ The Danny Devito’s Penguin just isn’t an effect villain. Nor is Max Shrek. I can easily watch Batman Begins and TDK and even TDKR over and over again. I have no desire to ever watch Batman Returns ever again.
Agreed. I really enjoy Batman 89 but found Returns was really not that good. I do recognize that it receives a lot of love however.
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Ok.
Keep in mind I don’t read comic books and don’t care about superheroes. I just like Burton’s two Batman films on their own merits.
What merit(s) do you think Batman Returns has?
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(Replying to this post from the “[fill in the blank] Just Died!” Thread:
(Don’t even mention Chris Nolan, those films aren’t Batman or even comic book at all.)
They aren’t‽‽‽‽‽
No, they aren’t. I actually like TDK as a movie (Though there are still some problems in there), but it still isn’t a true representation of Batman as far as I’m concerned. And none of Nolan’s films are good comic book movies. Everything about them is realism-driven, which just makes it worse when something unrealistic happens, and even aside from that, I don’t want a comic book movie that tries to distance itself from being a comic book. If you like them, that’s fine. I much prefer the wonderful comic book world of Burton’s films.
I can understand thinking that the first Burton Batman movie was a true representation of Batman, but Batman Returns? Batman Forever‽ Batman and Robin‽‽‽ Bat nipples? Bat credit card‽‽‽‽ Sorry, but I’ll take the any of the Nolan films over the final 3 of Burton era easy.
Batman Forever and Batman and Robin aren’t Tim Burton films, they’re Joel Schumacher films, and they suck. And as for Returns, I don’t see how it isn’t a good Batman film. I don’t think it’s quite as good as Batman, but I think it captures the same rendition of the character that the first film did, and it’s definitely just as comic book oriented as the first film. It’s true that there is a lot more “Burton-y” stuff in it, but I don’t think that’s a negative by default.
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(Replying to this post from the “[fill in the blank] Just Died!” Thread:
(Don’t even mention Chris Nolan, those films aren’t Batman or even comic book at all.)
They aren’t‽‽‽‽‽
No, they aren’t. I actually like TDK as a movie (Though there are still some problems in there), but it still isn’t a true representation of Batman as far as I’m concerned. And none of Nolan’s films are good comic book movies. Everything about them is realism-driven, which just makes it worse when something unrealistic happens, and even aside from that, I don’t want a comic book movie that tries to distance itself from being a comic book. If you like them, that’s fine. I much prefer the wonderful comic book world of Burton’s films.
I can understand thinking that the first Burton Batman movie was a true representation of Batman, but Batman Returns? Batman Forever‽ Batman and Robin‽‽‽ Bat nipples? Bat credit card‽‽‽‽ Sorry, but I’ll take the any of the Nolan films over the final 3 of Burton era easy.
Batman Forever and Batman and Robin aren’t Tim Burton films, they’re Joel Schumacher films, and they suck.
Exactly right.
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Ok.
Keep in mind I don’t read comic books and don’t care about superheroes. I just like Burton’s two Batman films on their own merits.
What merit(s) do you think Batman Returns has?
Most of them?
The characters are great, even The Penguin. The movie looks great. The score is great (one of the few I still listen to).
It’s not a perfect movie by any stretch but I really enjoy it.
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I’ve tried to like Batman Returns because I enjoy Batman '89 so much, but no matter which way I look at it, I can’t stomach it. Most offending is the horrid portrayal of Penguin. If people are going to get hung up on the accuracy of character portrayals, how can anyone find the transformation of that villain from the “Gentleman of Crime” to the disgusting DeVito representation as acceptable is beyond me. People get hung up on the realism of the Nolan trilogy whenever anything unrealistic happens, but Returns even violates the Burton suspension of disbelief on multiple occasions. Last time I watched it, I was determined to enjoy it. And I didn’t.
Soundtrack is great, though. Danny Elfman is my favorite movie composer, even above John Williams.