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We did both.

moviefreakedmind said:

I couldn’t even sit through it once. It’s not funny and it’s not exciting and it’s two hours long. I’d probably rather watch all three prequels in a row than the Holiday Special once.

Absolutely

Handman said:

We did both.

What kind of monster are you?

Indubitably.

ROTJ is my least favourite of the OT, but only 0.5 higher than the Holiday Special? That’s cruel.

NeverarGreat said:

Handman said:

I started watching Return of the Jedi at about 6am, and its issues outweighed the good for the first time. Honestly, it gets worse each time I watch it.

I had this experience the last time I marathoned the trilogy. In isolation, I can appreciate the charm of Jedi, but as the capstone of the trilogy it really drags.

Exactly!

i was thrilled with it when i watched it as a kid in isolation (during the 97se theatrical releases) when you had to watch one at a time. and we didn’t really do ‘sit down all day and watch movies’ in my house so marathons weren’t a thing. I found Jedi to be mostly pointless when i watch all three back to back now. it wraps up some things, but it feels so pointless at the same time. (although your description is pretty spot on: it drags)

Handman said:

I started watching Return of the Jedi at about 6am, and its issues outweighed the good for the first time. Honestly, it gets worse each time I watch it.

I have been going through a similar experience with ROTJ but I don’t think I’ll ever see it as being anything less than okay. What was the one aspect of the film that caused you to change your opinion?

Lord Haseo said:

Handman said:

I started watching Return of the Jedi at about 6am, and its issues outweighed the good for the first time. Honestly, it gets worse each time I watch it.

I have been going through a similar experience with ROTJ but I don’t think I’ll ever see it as being anything less than okay. What was the one aspect of the film that caused you to change your opinion?

Nearly every character is misused and flat compared to their dynamic counterparts from the previous films. Han has nothing to do and is stupidly jealous, Lando’s betrayal is not addressed, Leia could be interchangeable with anyone, the sister plot twist has never sat well with me, Vader goes from wanting to overthrow the Emperor to being fine with having Luke kill him to prove a point that doesn’t make sense, the “I can turn him to the good side!” is incredibly naïve and sounds very childish, “A certain point of view?!”, Boba Fett didn’t need to be in the movie, the Ewoks ruin the film’s pacing, I could probably go on. These issues just got to me where the parts I usually enjoyed couldn’t save the film anymore.

darthrush said:

Handman said:

Lord Haseo said:

Handman said:

I started watching Return of the Jedi at about 6am, and its issues outweighed the good for the first time. Honestly, it gets worse each time I watch it.

I have been going through a similar experience with ROTJ but I don’t think I’ll ever see it as being anything less than okay. What was the one aspect of the film that caused you to change your opinion?

Nearly every character is misused and flat compared to their dynamic counterparts from the previous films. Han has nothing to do and is stupidly jealous, Lando’s betrayal is not addressed, Leia could be interchangeable with anyone, the sister plot twist has never sat well with me, Vader goes from wanting to overthrow the Emperor to being fine with having Luke kill him to prove a point that doesn’t make sense, the “I can turn him to the good side!” is incredibly naïve and sounds very childish, “A certain point of view?!”, Boba Fett didn’t need to be in the movie, the Ewoks ruin the film’s pacing, I could probably go on. These issues just got to me where the parts I usually enjoyed couldn’t save the film anymore.

Damn that was a good dissection of the films issues. You actually are the one of the first people to be able to fully articulate most of my issues for me. Nostalgia has partially blinded my vision 😉

Coming from a guy who’s gone out of his way to fix most of those issues, I’m very flattered.

Handman said:

Lord Haseo said:

Handman said:

I started watching Return of the Jedi at about 6am, and its issues outweighed the good for the first time. Honestly, it gets worse each time I watch it.

I have been going through a similar experience with ROTJ but I don’t think I’ll ever see it as being anything less than okay. What was the one aspect of the film that caused you to change your opinion?

Nearly every character is misused and flat compared to their dynamic counterparts from the previous films. Han has nothing to do and is stupidly jealous, Lando’s betrayal is not addressed, Leia could be interchangeable with anyone, the sister plot twist has never sat well with me, Vader goes from wanting to overthrow the Emperor to being fine with having Luke kill him to prove a point that doesn’t make sense, the “I can turn him to the good side!” is incredibly naïve and sounds very childish, “A certain point of view?!”, Boba Fett didn’t need to be in the movie, the Ewoks ruin the film’s pacing, I could probably go on. These issues just got to me where the parts I usually enjoyed couldn’t save the film anymore.

The only point I disagree with is when you said Luke seeing good in Vader is naive. He surely should have felt something in Vader when he was offered a place at his side. I wish Luke could have said something like “Bringing our father back won’t undo all the things he’s done but it’s a start” or something stating the realistic nature of redeeming the right hand of The Devil.

I disagree that there needs to be a scene with Lando and Han reconciling. Lando did the right thing and Han knows it. I would like a scene where that conversation happens.

I never said there needs to be a certain way it needs to happen, all I said is Lando’s betrayal is unaddressed. I’d be fine with either of the things you suggested, but as is it just seems to be forgotten as if it didn’t even happen, which is weird. There’s simply nothing in the movie that gives us anything other than “How are you, old chum, tra la la!” when the dynamic between the two could have been much more interesting.

The only point I disagree with is when you said Luke seeing good in Vader is naive. He surely should have felt something in Vader when he was offered a place at his side. I wish Luke could have said something like “Bringing our father back won’t undo all the things he’s done but it’s a start” or something stating the realistic nature of redeeming the right hand of The Devil.

I just think it was done in a very black and white way, when it could have been much more complicated. Vader’s eventual turn is great, one of my favorite moments in the trilogy, but Luke just believing there’s good in him without really giving any reason (his reaction at the end of ESB didn’t really convince me he felt anything for being offered a place at his side, and that specific point isn’t really addressed in ROTJ), and just the phrase, “The good side!” rubs me the wrong way. It’s not something I felt would have been uttered in the previous films. Luke’s conversation with Ben could have really set up Luke’s motivations, but it’s also a missed opportunity.

In the original two films, it looks like Vader is slowly gaining power, rather than being the right hand of “The Devil”, as you say. His character is pretty different in ROTJ, he doesn’t do any of the dirty work he used to, he just sulks around. It’s odd to me.

Anyway, it looks like this stuff is also being discussed in the General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread, so if we’re going to continue with this discussion, I’ll continue it there.

Phantasm: Ravager

Frickin awesome flick.

Doctor Strange (2016).

I really don’t get the appeal of Bennyhill Cumbernauld, he sounds like Hugh Laurie trying to do an American accent (just get an American actor it will sound better).
Tilda is the best thing in the movie but I still think they could have cast her as a face of a shape shifting Ancient One and sidestepped the whole brew haha about whitewashing asian characters and still sold the film in China.
The Inceptionesque effects are a mess. In a world where Inception didn’t happen they might have been a draw but even then they are over used.
The whole thing felt a bit like that Green Lantern movie (2011) that everyone hated but I didn’t mind.
It’s a shame because I’ve loved the comics since I was very small. They are so arch and colourful, something the film gets right, with a little help from Mads Mikkelsen in the kinkiest bondage thing seen in a family movie since Flash Gordon (1980)
In some ways I wish he was introduced in a more low key way.
Maybe guesting with Ghost Rider in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
I do hope they eventually find a way of getting the DC television universe to cross over into the MCU.
It would be up there with Roger Rabbit in WTFness.
Balls Supreme.