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#1106218
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

Jeebus said:

chyron8472 said:

Personally, I think a football player sitting during the anthem is ineffectual. It’s less effective even than temporarily adding an overlay to your Facebook avatar after a crisis.

We’re talking about it though, I’d say they were pretty successful.

We’re talking about him sitting. We’re not talking much about police brutality. Case in point.

I talked about it. It’s you guys (mostly Warb) who would rather complain about someone sitting down during a song.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

When he tries to get attention for his cause by doing something shitty, it is not going to make me care much for his cause. Besides, I am not the one they are trying to reach. I am just me. I have no power. I have no authority over the cops. Most of the time I vote more liberal anyway.

You have your vote. And your mind. Those can influence others.

and you know it is not just a “*song*”.

Sure, the song represents something. But your fetishization of the national anthem is misguided flag-waving. Why do you care so much about a kneel?

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#1106119
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

again, same is true for those protesting funerals, yet people still made big deal about that.

The people protesting funerals hate gay people. The people protesting the anthem want equal treatment. Huge difference.

That is irrelevant to point that was being made by chyron8472.

This sounds a lot like Trump’s many sides comments. You’re equivocating two wildly different groups.

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#1105866
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

I found this interesting:

https://twitter.com/gte/status/905957013452140545

Great ad but, no, they don’t. Aspirational edicts aside it’s simply not the case for far too many Americans. https://twitter.com/barackobama/status/905930380783620097

https://twitter.com/gte/status/905969282475053057

@Moltz American values, statistically, favour a poor education, poor health, poverty in pursuit of health, and poor ability to elect leaders.

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#1105431
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

What.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/905381817695526912

Will be going to North Dakota today to discuss tax reform and tax cuts. We are the highest taxed nation in the world - that will change.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/house-prepares-for-harvey-relief-vote/2017/09/06/62919058-92fc-11e7-89fa-bb822a46da5b_story.html?utm_term=.27e957faffc4

President Trump, a man of few allegiances who seized control of the Republican Party in a hostile takeover, suddenly aligned himself with Democrats Wednesday on a series of key fiscal issues — and even gave a lift to North Dakota’s embattled Democratic U.S. senator.

Trump confounded his own party’s leaders when he cut a deal with Democratic congressional leaders — “Chuck and Nancy,” as the president informally referred to them — on a short-term plan to fund the government and raise its borrowing limit this month.

Trump’s surprise stance upended sensitive negotiations over the debt ceiling and other crucial policy areas this fall and further imperiled his already tenuous relationships with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.).

The episode is the latest turn in Trump’s extraordinary separation from his own party, as he distances himself to deflect blame for what has been a year of gridlock and missed opportunities for Republicans on Capitol Hill. It follows a summer of presidential stewing over McConnell and Ryan, both of whom Trump views as insufficiently loyal and weak in executing his agenda, according to his advisers.

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#1105396
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

What bothers me is that there is no definitive answer as to why Trump won. Everyone out there is guessing. Russia. Wikileaks. Comey. Bernie. Status quo. Rust belt. …I want someone with actual quantifiable evidence to say “this is why Trump won the primaries; and that is why Hillary’s poll numbers were oh-so-wrong, and EXACTLY why they tanked in the last week.”

But no. All we have is guesswork, blame games, and a good old fashioned hands-in-the-air WTF.

It’s not that it’s guesswork, it’s that everyone is correct. The margin was so thing that all those things mattered. The people who are wrong are the ones who are insisting it was only one of those things that was to blame.

You forgot to list Hillary. Also forgot to list anyone who didn’t vote for her. Also racism. Also sexism. Also Islamophobia. Also xenophobia. Also other things I’m sure.

Racism? Hillary is white.

Racism was more of a factor towards Trump than against Hillary.

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#1105368
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

chyron8472 said:

You know, I don’t trust Daily Kos polling information anymore. Right up to the end, they had polling that said Hillary was 88% or so likely to win against Trump, even as other polls were tanking hard and fast.

That’s not polling. That’s a forecast based on polling. Yes, it was a bad forecast, but don’t conflate polling and forecasting.

Also, it’s hard to not say that Clinton winning was the most possible outcome. Just because we only live in one universe, a lot of people look at past events and say that that was the only way it could have happened. People are not good with dealing with probabilities.

Also, to reiterate, Clinton’s chance of winning the election was probably lower than that forecast indicated.

What bothers me is that there is no definitive answer as to why Trump won. Everyone out there is guessing. Russia. Wikileaks. Comey. Bernie. Status quo. Rust belt. …I want someone with actual quantifiable evidence to say “this is why Trump won the primaries; and that is why Hillary’s poll numbers were oh-so-wrong, and EXACTLY why they tanked in the last week.”

But no. All we have is guesswork, blame games, and a good old fashioned hands-in-the-air WTF.

I do not take Daily Kos articles as evidence to support supposed fact. Not when the pollsters had worse aim than an OT Imperial Stormtooper.

There’s not going to be one reason. Failures are often multi-faceted, with many reasons and factors contributing.

Clinton’s poll numbers weren’t actually all that wrong. Polling averages had Clinton ahead on the eve of the election by four or so points. She won the popular vote by 2.1 points. The polls were actually more accurate than in 2012. The pollsters did a good job this time. Many people don’t acknowledge that.