yhwx

TV’s Frink said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I’ve always said Oh-Lay. *shrug*

What is wrong with you people???

It’s Ah-Lee.

I agree. As such, I must label myself a MiniFrink.

Aren’t all weapons dangerous?

Mrebo said:

CatBus, just as one shouldn’t ignore the beginning of the 2nd Amendment, one shouldn’t ignore the “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms.” When you recall that the 2nd Amendment was a restriction on the federal government and a preservation of state authority, the existence and meaning of each phrase makes perfect sense. You’re correct there are legal theories for all kinds of rights not explicit in the Constitution.

How would you feel if the second amendment were to be repealed?

Mrebo said:

CatBus said:

Mrebo said:

As a non-gun person, this is about reason and logic. It’s emotion and fear when any story involving a gun is said to prove that guns need to be banned.

The story doesn’t prove anything that wasn’t proven long ago, it just prompts questions about whether we’re going to do anything about it or kick the can down the road a few more years.

I do care about the Constitution’s protection of liberty too.

Yes, and our unalienable and self-evident rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are being impaired to many due to the number of guns in this country. Glad we’re on the same page.

Yes, I know, different document.

Mrebo said:

Death and violence is not going to end, subject to a total remaking of the world.

Nah, it would require further evolution of the human species.

DuracellEnergizer said:

yhwx said:

Do audio VHS’ exist?

They probably don’t.

FTFM

Could just be a VHS with a blank video feed.

Not sure why one would do that, however.

^ very good point

ChainsawAsh said:

I hate that I’m surprised at the number of school shootings since Columbine.

25 seems low.

Fatal school shootings.

https://twitter.com/samswey/status/967068790814134272

25 fatal school shootings since Columbine. How did each shooting come to an end? A thread. (1/x) https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/02/15/fox-news-anchor-shepard-smith-lists-all-25-fatal-school-shootings-since-columbine/23362465/#slide=ad%23fullscreen

https://twitter.com/samswey/status/967090653011292160

Some of the common themes:
-many shootings happened quickly and ended in suicide
-unarmed school staff de-escalated or subdued shooter in many cases
-in many of these cases school police were on campus. None stopped the shooting

Conflicting language. Let’s grt the Supreme Court on this.

Do audio DVDs exist?

They probably do.

Crikey.

If the universe were different, life would simply evolve in a different way to accommodate that. We can’t imagine how that would happen because our thinking is bound by our own universe.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/ajit-pai-nra-cpac-award/index.html

The chairman of the Federal Communications Commission was awarded a handmade rifle by the National Rifle Association Friday at the Conservative Political Action Conference.

Ajit Pai, the FCC’s chairman who oversaw the highly controversial repeal of the commission’s net neutrality rules last year, was awarded the rifle, along with the NRA’s “Charlton Heston Courage Under Fire Award,” for his efforts last year during the repeal.

The award came as a surprise to Pai, who was expecting to give a speech unrelated to the NRA. The rifle is awarded “when someone has stood up under pressure with grace and dignity and principled discipline,” said Carolyn Meadows, the second vice-president of the NRA.

Then I don’t really get your point. If suicides are most gun deaths, then shouldn’t these statistics apply to gun deaths too? I don’t just want a solution for mass shootings. We should want one for other gun problems too.

Firstly, you have misread the chart. It’s showing the correlation between gun deaths in general and certain things, not suicide.

Back to that Atlantic article I linked to earlier:

The correlation between gun deaths and mental illness is far, far smaller than the correlation between gun deaths and an assault weapons ban. Mental illness policy would help, but not as much as people think it does.

DominicCobb said:

This kind of thing happens every now and again. Usually it makes more sense though.

The world has seemed to be getting progressively dumber for the past year though, so maybe this is just an extension of that.

Mrebo said:

yhwx said:

Mrebo said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Mrebo said:

I think we should all be pleased we’re talking about gun control (mostly large scale banning of guns) exclusively, while some are)admitting it’s almost certainly not going to happen in the foreseeable future. Meanwhile we ignore the enormous numerous failings that could have been avoided to prevent the deaths here and at other schools. Round of applause!

Okay, why don’t you start? What sort of failings?

They’ve been in the news and I’ve mentioned them previously in the thread. But there were the calls to the FBI, including a post by Cruz that he wanted to be a “professional school shooter.” He was expelled from school because he had bullets in his backpack. The family he lived with knew he was deeply troubled, knew he had guns (but apparently not how many and where). Kids at school were afraid of him. People knew he tortured and killed animals. Numerous police and social service visits to the house with no actions taken. The deputy working at the school that day stayed outside when the shooting was going on.

But if he hadn’t had a gun, we wouldn’t be talking about this right now. We would be talking about Trump’s claim that he is, in fact, one-fourth Chinese.

Setting aside the practicality of gun bans, if he didn’t have a rifle, I don’t see why he wouldn’t use a handgun, and if not a handgun, a knife or an explosive device. And then maybe we could talk about how we could stop him from killing whatever number of people he killed. Would it be only 5 dead children? Maybe. We can only guess. There’s a sleight of hand going on here and it’s not by me. If you think this kid only killed people because he had a gun you’re ignoring all those facts, strangely because they’re not controversial.

Of course he had the desire to kill because of all these factors — where did I ever doubt that? Making the process more efficient at catching those at risk is part of the guns debate.

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

In before “Frink doesn’t.”

…care.

chyron8472 said:

And not helping.

We get it.

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

Mrebo said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Mrebo said:

I think we should all be pleased we’re talking about gun control (mostly large scale banning of guns) exclusively, while some are)admitting it’s almost certainly not going to happen in the foreseeable future. Meanwhile we ignore the enormous numerous failings that could have been avoided to prevent the deaths here and at other schools. Round of applause!

Okay, why don’t you start? What sort of failings?

They’ve been in the news and I’ve mentioned them previously in the thread. But there were the calls to the FBI, including a post by Cruz that he wanted to be a “professional school shooter.” He was expelled from school because he had bullets in his backpack. The family he lived with knew he was deeply troubled, knew he had guns (but apparently not how many and where). Kids at school were afraid of him. People knew he tortured and killed animals. Numerous police and social service visits to the house with no actions taken. The deputy working at the school that day stayed outside when the shooting was going on.

But if he hadn’t had a gun, we wouldn’t be talking about this right now. We would be talking about Trump’s claim that he is, in fact, one-fourth Chinese.

Wait is that true? I can’t find anything on it.

Ha! I almost fooled you.

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

Trump’s claim that he is, in fact, one-fourth Chinese.

[infinite facepalm]

To be clear, I pulled that out of my ass as an example of a plausible headline in an alternate universe.

Mrebo said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Mrebo said:

I think we should all be pleased we’re talking about gun control (mostly large scale banning of guns) exclusively, while some are)admitting it’s almost certainly not going to happen in the foreseeable future. Meanwhile we ignore the enormous numerous failings that could have been avoided to prevent the deaths here and at other schools. Round of applause!

Okay, why don’t you start? What sort of failings?

They’ve been in the news and I’ve mentioned them previously in the thread. But there were the calls to the FBI, including a post by Cruz that he wanted to be a “professional school shooter.” He was expelled from school because he had bullets in his backpack. The family he lived with knew he was deeply troubled, knew he had guns (but apparently not how many and where). Kids at school were afraid of him. People knew he tortured and killed animals. Numerous police and social service visits to the house with no actions taken. The deputy working at the school that day stayed outside when the shooting was going on.

But if he hadn’t had a gun, we wouldn’t be talking about this right now. We would be talking about Trump’s claim that he is, in fact, one-fourth Chinese.

You don’t even have to look to other countries to prove that gun control works. You just have to look at other states.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/01/the-geography-of-gun-deaths/69354/

And what about gun control? As of July 29 of last year, Arizona became one of only three states that allows its citizens to carry concealed weapons without a permit. Might tighter gun control laws make a difference? Our analysis suggests that they do.

The map overlays the map of firearm deaths above with gun control restrictions by state. It highlights states which have one of three gun control restrictions in place - assault weapons’ bans, trigger locks, or safe storage requirements.

Firearm deaths are significantly lower in states with stricter gun control legislation. Though the sample sizes are small, we find substantial negative correlations between firearm deaths and states that ban assault weapons (-.45), require trigger locks (-.42), and mandate safe storage requirements for guns (-.48).

States with fewer guns have fewer gun deaths, on average.