yhwx

Possessed said:

Yeah but those walls in the background should be gray instead of green.

Also look at the collars on Tarkin’s hair.

Possessed said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

Man, what is in the water here lately?

Also, none of us can say that we haven’t been guilty of whatever it is.

Trident can. Where is trident?

Ah Trident. We hardly knew ye.

Jeebus said:

My point is not that Apple caters to idiots and as such people who like Apple must be so. My point is Apple is very user-friendly-centric to the point of blocking off certain customizations, both in the front end and the back end, that I desire (many of which don’t come to mind, but I could immediately point out with an iPhone in hand)—and in being so it’s simply not for me.

And I’d argue that that’s a better decision, as the operating system should yield to the user, unless it is very likely that the user will do something bad.

Why is it Apple’s job to coddle the users and make sure they don’t accidentally fuck something up?

Firstly, it’s not just specifically Apple’s job. It should be every tech company’s job.

Secondly, because technology should be for everybody, not just those who have dedicated a significant portion of their lives to learn the intricacies of it. Technology helps people, and we shouldn’t make it too hard for other people to use it.

90% of people use Windows on their home computer, 70% use an Android phone of some sort; if non-Apple tech is so hard to use, why are so many people using it with no trouble?

It’s actually pretty hard to ruin an operating system, it isn’t something you can just do accidentally.

I’m not talking about completely ruining an OS (though that is a concern too), I’m just talking about the things that may seem little in the moment but add up to a big sum. There are many frictions that people have with technology that make them not want to use it as much. That should be minimized.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Maybe you need a plumber.

Could just be a mouse.

Jeebus said:

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

Apple is vanilla. It’s easy to use, if you use it the way Apple intends you to use it. But that’s about the most going for it.

I’d argue against your vanilla point, as if you actually used an Apple product, they’re very opinionated in their design of things

See; iPhone 7 headphone jack.

Yes.

Also, Google’s Pixel 2 has no headphone jack anymore.

My point is not that Apple caters to idiots and as such people who like Apple must be so. My point is Apple is very user-friendly-centric to the point of blocking off certain customizations, both in the front end and the back end, that I desire (many of which don’t come to mind, but I could immediately point out with an iPhone in hand)—and in being so it’s simply not for me.

And I’d argue that that’s a better decision, as the operating system should yield to the user, unless it is very likely that the user will do something bad.

Why is it Apple’s job to coddle the users and make sure they don’t accidentally fuck something up?

Firstly, it’s not just specifically Apple’s job. It should be every tech company’s job.

Secondly, because technology should be for everybody, not just those who have dedicated a significant portion of their lives to learn the intricacies of it. Technology helps people, and we shouldn’t make it too hard for other people to use it.

Also of note:

Apple’s response to their tax scandal.

A good piece from Fortune about it.

chyron8472 said:

@yhwx I’m a gamer. Macs are not for gamers. Yes, Steam does have a decent Mac game library catalogue now, but it pales in comparison to PC.

This is true.

And Macs are still grossly overpriced.

I’ve covered this before.

JEDIT: Also, on my Android phone, this is my home screen.

I failed to convey the point that design isn’t just how it looks in my previous posts. While looks are a significant part of design, many times, it feels like Android and Windows are less well thought out than a Mac or an iPhone. The nice little touches that might not be much individually but add to a great sum are just not there. There just isn’t as much polish and thought into how things work on the other side of things.

Apple is vanilla. It’s easy to use, if you use it the way Apple intends you to use it. But that’s about the most going for it.

I’d argue against your vanilla point, as if you actually used an Apple product, they’re very opinionated in their design of things

In my opinion, beyond that it’s just hype and brand loyalty.

No.

If this were just about hype and brand loyalty, then none of the people who use Apple products would have any complaints about them. But that’s just not the case. Apple users have a discerning eye to the flaws in any product, including Apple’s. You could say that they have too much of a discerning eye. The sum product is what makes Apple users chose Apple products, because the sum is just better than other things out there.

JEDIT:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

Trying to make things so that a wide cross-section of people can use a technology without reading a four-hundred page manual is not dumbing things down so that a monkey could use it. In fact, that’s pretty insulting to the people who don’t want to or can’t read that four-hundred page manual.

My point is not that Apple caters to idiots and as such people who like Apple must be so. My point is Apple is very user-friendly-centric to the point of blocking off certain customizations, both in the front end and the back end, that I desire (many of which don’t come to mind, but I could immediately point out with an iPhone in hand)—and in being so it’s simply not for me.

And I’d argue that that’s a better decision, as the operating system should yield to the user, unless it is very likely that the user will do something bad.

I assume the consensus is that I’m the one out of line here.

I don’t know how GSWD ended up with more threads than Off Topic.

The whole story is stupid. Anakin killing younglings (youngyoungs) will help him save his wife from an imagined death? Jeez.

TV’s Frink said:

Man, what is in the water here lately?

Also, none of us can say that we haven’t been guilty of whatever it is.

It’s just that time of year again. It’s a cycle.

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

Also: y’all should use Macs.

If you’re into graphic design or video editing, sure. I am not.

This is a misconception that a lot of people have about Macs: they’re only for artsy-fartsy people. That’s just not true. They’re for everybody, from the lest competent computer user to a visual artist to a web programmer. That last one, I think, is a particularly important point, as there was a bit of an exodus from Windows and other platforms to the Mac for programmers in the last decade.

Apple products are, by and large, overpriced

Not in comparison to similarly speced products.

and heavily restrictive.

At lest in the case of the Mac, a Mac is hardly more restrictive than a PC.

Sure, you can install Bootcamp on a Mac and run Windows, but isn’t that defeating the purpose?

If you want nice-looking hardware and a useable trackpad, perhaps not.

The advantage of a PC is if I want to fix or upgrade a part, I can open my box and upgrade it. Like adult Legos. If a part on a Mac breaks, it’s time to buy a new Mac.

True, but the premise is that a Mac should last long enough to where that isn’t a problem, in part, because of the sealed-in-ness of them.

Also, I don’t want adult Lego bricks or toys. They already sell those.

Also, I can not stand iOS. My dad gave me an old iPad when he upgraded to a newer model once upon a time, and I almost immediately was compelled to jailbreak it. Seriously—you can’t even do something as simple as change the app icon titles on the home screen, or give the folders actually interesting looking icons. Among other things. It’s beyond frustrating to have to cope with vanilla iOS.

“Interesting looking” does not necessarily mean “good looking.” You could be as creative as you want and create something that just looks terrible. I’d find it frustrating to cope with that, along with the myriad of other not specifically visual design problems that both Android and Windows have.

Also, when was this iPad gifted to you?

The primary advantage Apple has is the ability to dumb down their interface and simplify settings so a monkey can probably use it.

Just to note before I make this point: I have done what I will be accusing you of, so I am one hundred percent the pot calling the kettle black. But I’m still uncomfortable with it, nonetheless. Trying to make things so that a wide cross-section of people can use a technology without reading a four-hundred page manual is not dumbing things down so that a monkey could use it. In fact, that’s pretty insulting to the people who don’t want to or can’t read that four-hundred page manual.

Also, there are many power user features in Apple’s platforms that have a lot of ins and outs to them, so your point is partially incorrect.

But I want more flexibility in my software, so no thank you.

It is also among these reasons that Apple TV is only a tiny fraction of the streaming box market, since they waited until the recent Apple TV 4 before you could install apps from the Store that didn’t come stock on the device when you bought it. So if my dad wants his ATV2 to access his media server, he has to install certificates on the ATV and run a script on the server that lets the server hijack the Trailers app. It’s ridiculous.

That was ridiculous.

ray_afraid said:

yhwx said:

ray_afraid said:

yhwx said:

ray_afraid said:

yhwx said:

ray_afraid said:

yhwx said:

Also: y’all should use Macs.

chyron8472 said:

If you’re into graphic design or video editing, sure. I am not.

I’m into graphic design (part of how I make a living), video editing (hobby) and music production (both) and I just don’t get along with Macs.

Good for you.

What’s that supposed to mean?

It means what it says.

To me it says that you are, for some reason, being a snarky little shit.
If that’s not what it is, please explain.

I don’t get the problem here.

“Good for you.” isn’t something anybody typically says when someone else says they prefer a different tool unless it’s sarcasm. It seemed to be a non sequitur to me, so I asked for clarification instead of just assuming.

I told you that it meant what it said. If you were to take it at face value, that comment would not have indicated that I was being a snarky little shit.

I disagree.

I told you that you should not take it like that.

No you didn’t. You said “It means what it says.” which only backs up my “snarky little shit” theory.

I meant what I said. “That’s good for you.”

Ok. Weird, but groovy.

I could just say “I disagree” with any of this, which represents the inane quality of this argument. As such, I will not be engaging with you any further on this topic of my wording of that post.

That’s not the way it was meant. But, as I’ve acknowledged many times before, the way it was meant does not matter. So, I did make a mistake in the way that was worded. I apologize.

ray_afraid said:

yhwx said:

ray_afraid said:

yhwx said:

ray_afraid said:

yhwx said:

Also: y’all should use Macs.

chyron8472 said:

If you’re into graphic design or video editing, sure. I am not.

I’m into graphic design (part of how I make a living), video editing (hobby) and music production (both) and I just don’t get along with Macs.

Good for you.

What’s that supposed to mean?

It means what it says.

To me it says that you are, for some reason, being a snarky little shit.
If that’s not what it is, please explain.

I don’t get the problem here. I told you that it meant what it said. If you were to take it at face value, that comment would not have indicated that I was being a snarky little shit. I told you that you should not take it like that.

I meant what I said. “That’s good for you.”

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Frink posted an article. In the article was a tweet from Trump. So, when referencing the tweet, I said “in the article”.

I barely click on any links on this forum, so I’ll assume that you are right and I am wrong.

He is right and you are wrong.

That’s what I said.

ray_afraid said:

yhwx said:

ray_afraid said:

yhwx said:

Also: y’all should use Macs.

chyron8472 said:

If you’re into graphic design or video editing, sure. I am not.

I’m into graphic design (part of how I make a living), video editing (hobby) and music production (both) and I just don’t get along with Macs.

Good for you.

What’s that supposed to mean?

It means what it says.

Warbler said:

Frink posted an article. In the article was a tweet from Trump. So, when referencing the tweet, I said “in the article”.

I barely click on any links on this forum, so I’ll assume that you are right and I am wrong.

Warbler said:

typo. I meant “in” not “is”.

But still, the point applies.

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

In the article I see we have the pot calling the kettle black.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/931357870024687616?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Ffemale-former-staffers-of-al-franken-come-to-his-defense%2F

Two things:

1. You fixed a typo, so that was part of my initial confusion.
2. Tweets are not “articles” so that was the rest of my confusion.

the tweet was is the article you linked too.

This still makes no sense.

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

I don’t sigh 50 times a day.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hyperbole

like I said I really don’t think I sigh any more often than I used too. Also I have cut down bit since the innocent in the politics thread a few weeks ago.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/innocent

(I’ll admit it, I’m being a bit of a snarky one here.)

Warbler said:

I don’t sigh 50 times a day.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hyperbole