yhwx

MaximRecoil said:

yhwx said:

No, not having it.

It doesn’t matter whether you’re “having it” or not; it doesn’t change the facts whatsoever.

First of all, who the hell has ever called somebody a “Gary Stu,”

Your fellow Rey supporter NeverarGreat, to name one of countless people:

NeverarGreat said:

This is a good, well reviewed book:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/186074.The_Name_of_the_Wind
The main character is a Gary Stu.
Discuss. Or better yet, let’s not.

I suggest you do a Google search. “Gary Stu” is even mentioned in the opening paragraph of the Wikipedia “Mary Sue” article.

Sure.

and second of all, the existence of a male counterpart to the name does not change the inherent misogynistic component of the other name.

There is no “inherent misogynistic component” of the term Mary Sue.

Er… there kind of is. At least in Western culture, there’s a tendency to shun women who are perceived to “do it all,” without perceived difficulty. It does not matter if the term came from an actual character; it’s still a product of the sexist culture that we live in. Culture does not exist in a vacuum.

It denotes a character type. The sex of the character isn’t part of the definition. “Mary Sue” is usually used for characters of either sex, but some people prefer to apply a similar sounding, but male, name to male examples of this character type.

See my above point. There’s still an inherent sexist component to the origin and use of the word.

Just because we have gendered insults for both genders doesn’t mean that one can’t be more problematic than the other.

You’re making stuff up. It isn’t a “gendered insult” at all. Also, the most famous Mary Sue prior to Rey was Wesley Crusher from Star Trek: The Next Generation.

Did I ever say that “Mary Sue” was a gendered insult? No.

Although now that I think of it, it might be.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Trump says he’s giving us all a big tax cut for Christmas. OMG I don’t even know where to begin. With all due respect to his supporters, it’s like a 6-year-old talking to 4-year-olds.

A lot of Republicans are saying it too. It sounds so weird.

You know, one thing I’ve noticed about the news is how one or a few terms just start to get universally used by the media, like “war of words” or “collusion”. Gets a little bit repetitive after a while. Could y’all crack a thesaurus, please?

MaximRecoil said:

TV’s Frink said:

I have heard many men call female characters a Mary Sue. The only time I’ve ever heard anyone call someone a Gary Stu is in a sad desperate attempt to defend their use of Mary Sue.

Is that a joke? In this very thread someone (who seems to like the Rey character) replied to me with this post:

Even though the exact number may be wrong, the point still stands.

NeverarGreat said:

This is a good, well reviewed book:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/186074.The_Name_of_the_Wind
The main character is a Gary Stu.
Discuss. Or better yet, let’s not.

And whether or not anyone uses the term “Gary Stu” for a male character is irrelevant, because it has nothing to do with the fact that it isn’t a sex-specific term. It is a character-type specific term.

I’m gonna go with “no” on this one. It’s very hard to make the argument that a term using very clearly feminine names with a male-named counterpart is not gender specific.

The name of the trope, “Mary Sue”, was taken from the name of a character used in a parody that was written specifically to demonstrate this type of character.

Source?

You want to argue that Rey does not earn her abilities? I disagree with you, but feel free to make the argument.

You want to do it in a derogatory way? Congratulations.

You don’t get to redefine the term “derogatory”.

Also, rating TFA a -1/10 has always been and will continue to be nothing more than a troll move to illicit negative reactions. So again, congratulations.

You don’t get to redefine the term “troll” either. If I don’t like a movie at all, I give it a 1/10. I don’t rate movies based on technical merits such as production values and such; I rate them strictly based on how well I liked the movie. It is the same score I gave it on IMDb the night I saw it in the theater in 2015.

Whatever you want to do, I guess.

TV’s Frink said:

ChainsawAsh said:

They’re little red kiosks at supermarkets or drugstores where you can rent a movie or game for a couple bucks a day (it charges your card every day until you return it). They’re usually pretty convenient and carry Blu-Rays, too.

I honestly am surprised they still exist.

I see them everywhere around here.

I will now bow out from this discussion about my post.

MaximRecoil said:

TV’s Frink said:

Oh good, another "TFA is so terrible it gets a -1 and also I’m going to use a shitty misogynistic term to describe the main character,

^^^ Case in point, with regard to what I said about many people not even knowing what a Mary Sue is. It is not even remotely a “misogynistic” term, given that it isn’t even a sex-specific term. It denotes a type of character, male or female is irrelevant. The optional, equivalent term for such a character, if male, is “Gary Stu”, or “Marty Stu”.

No, not having it. First of all, who the hell has ever called somebody a “Gary Stu,” and second of all, the existence of a male counterpart to the name does not change the inherent misogynistic component of the other name. Just because we have gendered insults for both genders doesn’t mean that one can’t be more problematic than the other.

I just wanted to induce a discussion.

Jim Smith said:

She also exudes a meanness that I just can’t stand.

Lol.

TV’s Frink said:

If you truly don’t understand why, read Dom’s post again.

Did I ever say that I didn’t understand why?

Is ‘dick’ as bad an insult?

https://twitter.com/Brett_A_Taylor/status/932701344082923520

I am CRYING. The Weather Channel set up for a live shot of the Georgia Dome being imploded, and at the perfectly wrong time … this happened (via @ajc): https://twitter.com/ajc/status/932678261791969288/video/1

Well alrighty then.

I think you’re getting a bit carried away.

☞

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Not really from the time that he would have lived, but this more apt for the religion thread.

I think historians agree that Jesus did exist, whether he was the son of God and could perform miracles and rise from the dead is of course debated.

Whether he existed in a form resembling the biblical narrative is debated. Him being the song of God and performing miracles is debated but not really by historians.

I don’t think anyone believes he is the song of God.

Warbler.

What? I was making a joke out his typo.

Didn’t think that, considering your history of taking things very literally.

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Not really from the time that he would have lived, but this more apt for the religion thread.

I think historians agree that Jesus did exist, whether he was the son of God and could perform miracles and rise from the dead is of course debated.

Whether he existed in a form resembling the biblical narrative is debated. Him being the song of God and performing miracles is debated but not really by historians.

I don’t think anyone believes he is the song of God.

Warbler.

TV’s Frink said:

So…he didn’t die? What?

I think Warbler’s saying that he shouldn’t be called person.

JEDIT: God damn it.

I don’t think that guy was trying to be historically accurate.

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

I mean, if he was talking about a depiction of Christ coming down off of a crucifix, that still doesn’t make sense, because that suggests the actual Man didn’t actually exist.

I’m not sure sure what you’re referring to by this.

A crucifix is a depiction of a Roman cross with Christ nailed to and hanging from it. I’m saying the real Jesus of Nazareth, be He Christ or not, is not on the cross anymore, and the depictions of Christ on a crucifix are not real.

I’m saying that it makes zero sense no matter how you slice it.

I think you derived the wrong point from that clip.

Sheesh.

https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/932579767202844672

Trump voter panelist: “If Jesus Christ gets down off the cross and told me Trump is with Russia, I would tell him, ‘Hold on a second. I need to check with the President if it’s true.’” https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/932579767202844672/video/1

You should check if there’s any fiber services in your area.

Jeebus said:

One more. This one really tripped me up.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/932392209445457920

Shoplifting is a very big deal in China, as it should be (5-10 years in jail), but not to father LaVar. Should have gotten his son out during my next trip to China instead. China told them why they were released. Very ungrateful!

How the hell is 5-10 years a fair sentence for shoplifting? That’s insane!

This is insane.

Tyrphanax said:

“Donald” Trump is a “cunt.”

I (think?) I agree with your message but the messaging could use a little bit of work.

yhwx said:

Hey, that’s one of the few GIFs that will load on my DSL connection.

Speaking of which, I’d like to formally b*tch about how my T-Mobile cellular connection is, at best, one-hundred times better than the Internet I have at home. This is the best speed-test I have ever received with T-Mobile:

Now, my wireline connection:

This is ludicrous. While I usually get speeds like this from T-Mobile:

that’s still a massive improvement. I’ve taken to not using hotel WiFi on my phone at all, just using the cellular data connection. The fact that that ensures my security and privacy as well is an added bonus.

The catch is that T-Mobile’s coverage barely reaches where I live, but it reaches most of the places I go to. And even though this is an unlimited plan, there’s a cap at which they will start throttling if you go over, so I’d never be able to use this as a substitute for an actual grounded Internet connection.

Ugh.

Hey, that’s one of the few GIFs that will load on my DSL connection.