Yes, I responded in 80 minutes.
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/politics/daca-deal-obstacles-flake-white-house/index.html
President Donald Trump, using vulgar terms, rejected a pitch Thursday from a bipartisan team of senators on a compromise immigration deal to protect DACA participants while increasing border security.
“Why do we want all these people from ‘shithole countries’ coming here?” Trump told senators in the Oval Office, a source briefed on the meeting told CNN.
I don’t understand why we have two Last Jedi discussion threads?
One was created for discussion before the movie was released; the other was created after the movie was released. Not really needed to delete this one, since there’s plenty of good discussion here.
I think I’m suffering from a cold, or possibly, worse.
This is a good Twitter thread that basically reflects my opinions on Luke in TLJ that I’ve tried to express in this thread. Here’s some selected snippets:
https://twitter.com/swankmotron/status/950394363384807424
Rewatch The Empire Strikes Back and I think it’s apparent that there was no other choice for Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi, given the events of The Force Awakens.
https://twitter.com/swankmotron/status/950395526553333760
Luke is the central mystery of The Force Awakens. The opening sentence of the crawl is “Luke Skywalker has vanished.” The closing shot is Rey having found him. The film is begging us to ask these questions about Luke.
Why are we getting sidetracked by Snoke and Rey’s parents?
https://twitter.com/swankmotron/status/950398185192566784
Here we have the single most powerful Force user in the galaxy forced to cut himself off of every instinct he has for fear he’ll do the galaxy more harm than good. From Luke’s perspective, this abstinence of the Force is heroic. Another Jedi purge becomes impossible.
https://twitter.com/swankmotron/status/950403141811322880
Luke goes to check on Ben and the darkness growing inside him. This wellness check is already filled with self-doubt. Luke, like every creative or heroic person I’ve ever known, suffers from impostor syndrome. Just like Obi-Wan’s.
https://twitter.com/swankmotron/status/950403445701226496
And here he sees a darkness greater than anything he could have ever imagined. And a future where all of his loved ones are killed and the Jedi order he cared about burned to the ground. What happened the last time he was confronted with an image of this?
https://twitter.com/swankmotron/status/950404685118160896
The last time this happened, he was in the Death Star Throne Room and Vader taunted him with this vision of the future and he lost control. He ignited his saber out of instinct and fought. With rage and anger.
https://twitter.com/swankmotron/status/950404686149910528
But he pulled himself back from doing the thing he swore he wouldn’t do: kill his own father. Then he tosses his lightsaber and says, essentially, “kill me if you have to, but I’ll die like a Jedi.”
https://twitter.com/swankmotron/status/950404688322555904
Now, he goes to Ben’s hut and sees that future all over again. And, as before, his saber ignites. And this is startling to him. He’s instantly ashamed of himself and must deal with the consequence of that split-second consideration. We know he’d NEVER kill his nephew. Ben doesn’t
https://twitter.com/swankmotron/status/950406663130857472
And that’s why I love the end of the movie. Luke finally learned from his mistakes. He could stick to his non-violence, but still set an example that would ignite the galaxy. Which is why his saber never touches Ben’s during the fight. It’s 100% evasion.
https://twitter.com/swankmotron/status/950408470846521344
From my perspective, given Luke’s inaction in TFA, this is the ONLY thing that could have been done with him. And why I’ve embraced the arc so much. I love it.
Holdo’s sacrifice actually did something, though.
What do people not like about her?
A perspective:
https://twitter.com/bobbyrobertspdx/status/950497196704608256
I mean, people still don’t even know what the hell Yoda EVEN IS, much less who his parents are.
But Rey Nobody from Nowhere gotta have her birth certificate & 2 forms of ID before we’ll let her lift some rocks & fly some spaceships real good.
OK.
Frank your Majesty said:
This rehash argument is just the Ring theory with a twist. Instead of using these constructed superficial “similarities” to show how great the prequels are, they are now a sign of how bad the new movies are. Why can’t angry fans come up with something new? Do they want to alienate other fans?Why do angry fans have to come up with anything? Why don’t they just watch the movies they like and ignore what they don’t like? This is a 40 year old franchise spanning several generations. It consists of nine films, several TV shows, animated movies, hundreds of novels, children’s books, video games, comic books, newspaper series, theme parks, annual conventions, etc, etc.
There is absolutely no way the franchise can be one size fits all. I can’t make sense of fans battling a franchise they like and I really can’t fathom battling a different portion of the fan base. There isn’t a brolly girl waiting with a big cardboard check. No one is going to win Star Wars.
By all means feel free to vent, deconstruct, debate, rage, etc. I do it occasionally myself. It’s what makes this forum work. However, maybe give some serious thought to focusing on what you like. The stuff we don’t like about the franchise isn’t going away.
This assumes ranting about stuff you dislike is unpleasant. Why do you have to focus on the stuff you like? Is it because it is in some way bad for you, or because the opposite side doesn’t want to read these rants? I suspect the latter. Every time someone writes a passionate critique of the film, we get these suggestions to focus on stuff we like. In other words stop b****ing about stuff that I like. Well I like to write about this stuff, amongst other things.
I would agree with this.
I’m not sure if you have to get liberals riled up for a particular candidate. You just have to get them to be really anti-Trump. Isn’t that what the Republicans did during Obama’s tenure?
A lot liberals have sticks in their asses about who they believe to be Acceptable Candidates.
You could argue that the moderates are more open to having someone that just isn’t Trump.
This is true.
Rogue One made about $75 million more after the first three weeks at the box office. If TLJ has the same trend, it should end up at about $650 million at the end of its run. Not too shabby.
Coming so soon off the heels of TLJ, I think the Solo movie won’t have the benefits of the year-long marketing pushes for the previous three movies. I think that Solo won’t do as well as RO, but still pretty well.
I’m not sure if you have to get liberals riled up for a particular candidate. You just have to get them to be really anti-Trump. Isn’t that what the Republicans did during Obama’s tenure?
As though his opinion is somehow superior to mine.
No, it’s not my opinion. It’s Nate Silver’s opinion, and yes it’s superior to yours, no question.
By the way, this does not make you an idiot. I never said that and I’m not implying it.
You may not intend it, but sometimes the way you talk and your wisecracks and comebacks and what not make it seem like you think the person you are arguing with is an idiot. I have have felt this way after several arguments/debates with you. Just saying.
I did not say he’s an idiot and I don’t think he’s an idiot. Nor do I think you’re an idiot. You guys can choose to believe me or not.
I choose to believe that picture is only viewable in the forum to you.
Glad that wasn’t only me.
His “name” is yhwx. It doesn’t get capitalized just because it’s the first word in the sentence. Doing so is kinda like kneeling when saying his name, it’s very disrespectful.
Yes.
Don’t remember, I’d have to go back and listen. Actually he just slotted her in, the previous ranks were done in the previous podcast, so I’d have to go back to that one and listen.
Speaking of “Who’s Running”…
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/joe-arpaio-running-for-senate-in-arizona/article/2645354
Republican Joe Arpaio, a close ally of President Trump and former sheriff known for his provocative approach to combatting illegal immigration, is running for Senate in Arizona.
The 85-year-old Arpaio could shake up the late August Republican primary in a critical open-seat race to replace retiring Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz. Trump pardoned Arpaio last summer, sparing the former sheriff jail time after he was convicted of ignoring a federal court order in a racial-profiling case.
The polarizing yet iconic former Maricopa County sheriff, beloved by many conservatives for his hawkish immigration policies, presents an alternative to the unimpressive Kelli Ward and a potential obstacle to Rep. Martha McSally. She is expected to launch within days and is widely viewed as the Republicans’ strongest general election candidate.
Oprah stands way more of a chance than Lincoln Chaffee.
Perhaps.
Definitely.
I’m not attacking you, I’m attacking your position. Which is wrong. But ok.
I said STOP ATTACKING ME.
Invalidating peoples’ opinions won’t make you any friends. Stop treating me like this. Stop attacking me and telling me I’m wrong. Just stop. You’re being rude and childish.
And don’t you dare condescend to me just because I use a media server or watch cartoons.
How am I attacking you?
You are being condescending, invalidating and rude.
Here is the definition for “invalidate:”
make (an argument, statement, or theory) unsound or erroneous.
That’s perfectly within normal decorum of this forum. As for the other two, yes, there is more of a case to be made for those.
You don’t know politics, polling, or probability very well, as evidenced by your posts.
You can let me have my opinion that Oprah doesn’t stand a chance without attacking me. You don’t have to turn it into a debate over statistics. You don’t have to say my opinion takes a Trumpian view or accuse me of only being willing to talk to an echo chamber. You can be polite to people on these forums.
Well, your saying that Oprah stands no chance would have probably invited some discussion about probabilities and stuff. Your statement is just factually incorrect. Oprah stands way more of a chance than Lincoln Chaffee.
But seriously, discussion about Oprah’s chances annoys me somewhat because I really don’t see how the voter base could be interested in her becoming President.
I’m just curious, other than not being Trump, what qualifications does Oprah have for being President?
Being Oprah.
I agree with Jeebus and CatBus but I think this is a good answer.
It is not an answer at all.
No it’s not. It’s a joke.
I actually think that the mere fact of “being Oprah” is a big asset for her. As I said earlier, people like Oprah, just as they do Trump.
But seriously, why are we actually discussing Oprah being elected? Why is anyone anywhere discussing it?
She made a big and inspiring speech.
I will have to do some research on this Kamala Harris.
I think the road for her was (ominously) mapped out by Al Gore and Hillary Clinton. She is on many occasions doomed to be the smartest person in the room. Gore tripped over that by seeming too eager to crush his neophyte opponent in a debate. Clinton (I felt) successfully managed to walk the line between being strong and knowledgeable without showing any drive to kneecap her opponent just because he didn’t know how to defend himself, preferring to let him hang himself instead.
That’s the trap of an Oprah candidacy IMO. If Kamala does anything that seems mean to Oprah, it’s over. She’s got to get that tough but fair balance just right.
If Kamala is the smartest person in the room, I view that as a big plus. I want the President to be the smartest in the room.
Depends who else is in the room.
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I don’t think smartness is enough anyway, as smart people can be dishonest, corrupt, and shrill.
Nixon.
I’m just curious, other than not being Trump, what qualifications does Oprah have for being President?
Being Oprah.
I agree with Jeebus and CatBus but I think this is a good answer.
What qualifications does Warbler have for being President?
Being Warbler.
What qualifications does Frink have for being President?
Being Frink.
What qualifications does Mrebo have for being President?
Being Mrebo.
😦
I’m pretty sure both yhwx and Mrebo were joking, though.
Yhwx
It’s lowercase.
The rules grammar indicate that the first letter of someone’s name be capitalized.
It’s not a proper first name. It’s an online username.
I’m just curious, other than not being Trump, what qualifications does Oprah have for being President?
Being Oprah.
I agree with Jeebus and CatBus but I think this is a good answer.
What qualifications does Warbler have for being President?
Being Warbler.
What qualifications does Frink have for being President?
Being Frink.
What qualifications does Mrebo have for being President?
Being Mrebo.
😦
I’m pretty sure both yhwx and Mrebo were joking, though.
Yhwx
It’s lowercase.
The BernieBros don’t like Harris though.