yhwx

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

People buy Apple because they want the Apple image, that’s the way it is.

I’m gonna have to say in my experience and in many others, that’s blatantly false.

Your experience as an Apple fan and the experiences of people who have bought into the idea of Apple Culture.

None of the people I see on a regular basis who are Apple fans act in a way you seem to project on them. I mean, does this post by an Apple fan reek of Apple culture to you?

I can send more examples to prove my point.

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

Hopefully I’ll get to discuss why file name extensions are stupid.

I think you’re confused on the meaning of “hopefully.”

It’s really interesting, I promise.

Sounds fishy.

Back in the day, Macs had a unique way to identify file types: Type/Creator codes. In the resource fork of a file, the OS would store the type of file (basically the file name extension) and the creator of the file (the application you used to create the file). This system has many advantages, including the most important one (to me, at least): You can name the file whatever you want, and it’ll still open correctly.

The impossibility of this is what makes file name extensions terrible: You can’t give the user control of their data. Coding the file type in the file name is a fundamentally bad idea. Would you put the date created in the file name? Size? Metadata? You’d probably say no. These are all file metadata that are as important as the file type. But, no, file type is a-ok because that’s how it’s always been outside of the Mac world! That’s just how things are, isn’t it?

It is, but it doesn’t have to be this way.

Apple solved the problem again eleven years ago with Uniform Type Identifiers. This system has solves many major problems with type/creator codes, file name extensions, and MIME types. It first solves specificity problems: Type/Creator codes are limited to four characters, which is small enough to have collisions with other file types. (This is also a problem with file name extensions, as file name extensions can theoretically be as long as possible, Microsoft & Co. refuse to break from the EIGHT.THREE file naming convention of yesteryear) It also doesn’t need a registration with a standards committee, which is a problem with MIME types. There’s also many more benefits and intricacies to Uniform Type Identifiers, which you’ll have to see the link I linked above to get all the juicy details on.

Now, Apple has been far from perfect in this arena. Back around the transition from Classic Mac OS to Mac OS X (Windows users: Think of the transition from Windows 9x to XP, but much bigger), Apple basically abandoned Type/Creator codes, making file name extensions the required form of file type identification. This lasts until today, which many Apple users (such as myself) are grumbly about. (Along with the lack of a new file system — but that’s on the way!)

I don’t know why you posted this, given the fact that there was no way I’d ever read it.

It’s not that full of technical jargon. The only problem is that it’s a few paragraphs long, which seems to be beyond your attention span.

Tyrphanax said:

People buy Apple because they want the Apple image, that’s the way it is.

I’m gonna have to say in my experience and in many others, that’s blatantly false.

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

Hopefully I’ll get to discuss why file name extensions are stupid.

I think you’re confused on the meaning of “hopefully.”

It’s really interesting, I promise.

Sounds fishy.

Back in the day, Macs had a unique way to identify file types: Type/Creator codes. In the resource fork of a file, the OS would store the type of file (basically the file name extension) and the creator of the file (the application you used to create the file). This system has many advantages, including the most important one (to me, at least): You can name the file whatever you want, and it’ll still open correctly.

The impossibility of this is what makes file name extensions terrible: You can’t give the user control of their data. Coding the file type in the file name is a fundamentally bad idea. Would you put the date created in the file name? Size? Metadata? You’d probably say no. These are all file metadata that are as important as the file type. But, no, file type is a-ok because that’s how it’s always been outside of the Mac world! That’s just how things are, isn’t it?

It is, but it doesn’t have to be this way.

Apple solved the problem again eleven years ago with Uniform Type Identifiers. This system has solves many major problems with type/creator codes, file name extensions, and MIME types. It first solves specificity problems: Type/Creator codes are limited to four characters, which is small enough to have collisions with other file types. (This is also a problem with file name extensions, as file name extensions can theoretically be as long as possible, Microsoft & Co. refuse to break from the EIGHT.THREE file naming convention of yesteryear) It also doesn’t need a registration with a standards committee, which is a problem with MIME types. There’s also many more benefits and intricacies to Uniform Type Identifiers, which you’ll have to see the link I linked above to get all the juicy details on.

Now, Apple has been far from perfect in this arena. Back around the transition from Classic Mac OS to Mac OS X (Windows users: Think of the transition from Windows 9x to XP, but much bigger), Apple basically abandoned Type/Creator codes, making file name extensions the required form of file type identification. This lasts until today, which many Apple users (such as myself) are grumbly about. (Along with the lack of a new file system — but that’s on the way!)

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

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yhwx said:

Lord Haseo said:

yhwx said:

Lord Haseo said:

Even if it’s old it’s still overpriced as shit.

I’ve tackled this before. It’s not overpriced.

Care to link me to the post in which you proved that?

I can.

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/956362

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/956362

Also, most people don’t buy the Mac Pro. They buy laptops, as every year since about ten years ago, Apple’s sold more laptops than desktops.

Yeah, because you buy a Mac when you want to overpay to browse Facebook and write your manuscript in a Starbucks and not for any real work, in which case you’d buy a PC.

Look in almost any video production, audio production, or other creative work field, and you’ll see that they all use Macs.

Yeah, because they’ve stupidly bought into the absolutely ludicrous and pretentious notion that “Professional Artists use Macs” and the ridiculous “Apple Culture” which was cultivated specifically by Apple to sell computers to people who don’t know any better. My PC will run any of those programs better and with a longer lifetime (due to swapping hardware) than any Mac off the shelf.

I doubt your claims, but even if they are true, professionals like specific software and the environment that the Mac provides. It’s easier to develop pro software for the Mac.

People aren’t “brainwashed” into Apple. I mean, many Apple fans have been bearish on Apple for the past couple of years. It’s just that Apple is the best option.

Oh please, Apple has been trying so hard for ages to cultivate their hip, with it, modern professional image. It’s all they have. And some companies are more worried about looking hip and modern and with-it, so they buy overpriced computers so they can point at the Apple logo and say they are. Companies buy Apple products for the image. Apple would love you to believe that “professionals” use Apple, but big companies like ILM? They use PCs. Windows-based? Probably not (Linux usually), but they sure as hell don’t use Macs to make the effects for just about every movie that’s out there.

People aren’t brainwashed by Apple, they just have bought into Apples BS that professionals use them.

I’m a professional in the graphics industry. I’ve done everything from graphic design to print design to web design and I’ve used Macs extensively in various jobs and at school, and I would take my PC over any Mac, any day. I know many people in my industry who feel the same.

If Apple were to all of a sudden turn to crap in the minds of people who use their products, they would switch away. They wouldn’t be happy about it (since the other options are meddling), but they would. Trust me, I know this firsthand.

Neglify said:

Is it called “The Windopes Podcast”? If not, it should be.

Accidental Tech Podcast. It rose from the ashes of a car show.

I’ll just stop.

Neglify said:

yhwx said:

Neglify said:

An oldie but a goodie:

This is what that podcast episode was about. It’s coming on Wednesday.

Wait wut there’s a podcast about ancient memes?

There probably is, but this particular one is about how running Windows isn’t all that great and has bunch of pitfalls, bottomless pits, and landmines.

Jeebus said:

yhwx said:

Well, it was a person. And it wasn’t physical, it was mental. It’s complicated.

jfc

Just say what happened.

Nah.

Well, it was a person. And it wasn’t physical, it was mental. It’s complicated.

Neglify said:

An oldie but a goodie:

This is what that podcast episode was about. It’s coming on Wednesday.

Also, really old Windows is even more crappy than new Windows. Both are about the same, though.

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Lord Haseo said:

yhwx said:

Lord Haseo said:

Even if it’s old it’s still overpriced as shit.

I’ve tackled this before. It’s not overpriced.

Care to link me to the post in which you proved that?

I can.

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/956362

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/956362

Also, most people don’t buy the Mac Pro. They buy laptops, as every year since about ten years ago, Apple’s sold more laptops than desktops.

Yeah, because you buy a Mac when you want to overpay to browse Facebook and write your manuscript in a Starbucks and not for any real work, in which case you’d buy a PC.

Look in almost any video production, audio production, or other creative work field, and you’ll see that they all use Macs.

Yeah, because they’ve stupidly bought into the absolutely ludicrous and pretentious notion that “Professional Artists use Macs” and the ridiculous “Apple Culture” which was cultivated specifically by Apple to sell computers to people who don’t know any better. My PC will run any of those programs better and with a longer lifetime (due to swapping hardware) than any Mac off the shelf.

I doubt your claims, but even if they are true, professionals like specific software and the environment that the Mac provides. It’s easier to develop pro software for the Mac.

People aren’t “brainwashed” into Apple. I mean, many Apple fans have been bearish on Apple for the past couple of years. It’s just that Apple is the best option.

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Lord Haseo said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

Haha just kidding, Macs are the anime of computers and I want nothing to do with them.

This might be the most ridiculous thing you’ve ever said.

I’m afraid not.

Nope.

With Windows you’re getting a mediocre (at best) or crappy (at worst) OS.

Also, that picture’s old.

lol k

I guess you’ve just been Stockholm Syndrome’d into thinking the way you do.

Yeah it’s so bad that I’ve used both systems extensively and decided that Macs suck.

Windows isn’t the world’s greatest thing, but pretending that an Apple OS is somehow superior and doesn’t pull the same BS Windows does is ridiculous.

Heh, what BS do you think Apple does?

I would link to a podcast here but it hasn’t come out yet.

People jump on Windows and Cortana for all the tracking and whatnot. OSX and Siri do the exact same thing.

Apple tries harder to make sure that they don’t see your information. The new Photos faces feature that’s coming this fall doesn’t sync to the cloud, almost at the detriment of the user experience.

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Lord Haseo said:

yhwx said:

Lord Haseo said:

Even if it’s old it’s still overpriced as shit.

I’ve tackled this before. It’s not overpriced.

Care to link me to the post in which you proved that?

I can.

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/956362

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/956362

Also, most people don’t buy the Mac Pro. They buy laptops, as every year since about ten years ago, Apple’s sold more laptops than desktops.

Yeah, because you buy a Mac when you want to overpay to browse Facebook and write your manuscript in a Starbucks and not for any real work, in which case you’d buy a PC.

Look in almost any video production, audio production, or other creative work field, and you’ll see that they all use Macs.

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Lord Haseo said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

Haha just kidding, Macs are the anime of computers and I want nothing to do with them.

This might be the most ridiculous thing you’ve ever said.

I’m afraid not.

Nope.

With Windows you’re getting a mediocre (at best) or crappy (at worst) OS.

Also, that picture’s old.

lol k

I guess you’ve just been Stockholm Syndrome’d into thinking the way you do.

Yeah it’s so bad that I’ve used both systems extensively and decided that Macs suck.

Windows isn’t the world’s greatest thing, but pretending that an Apple OS is somehow superior and doesn’t pull the same BS Windows does is ridiculous.

Heh, what BS do you think Apple does?

I would link to a podcast here but it hasn’t come out yet.

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

Hopefully I’ll get to discuss why file name extensions are stupid.

I think you’re confused on the meaning of “hopefully.”

It’s really interesting, I promise.

Lord Haseo said:

yhwx said:

Lord Haseo said:

Even if it’s old it’s still overpriced as shit.

I’ve tackled this before. It’s not overpriced.

Care to link me to the post in which you proved that?

I can.

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/956362

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/956362

Also, most people don’t buy the Mac Pro. They buy laptops, as every year since about ten years ago, Apple’s sold more laptops than desktops.

Neglify said:

yhwx said:

I wonder when the big day will happen.

Can someone else do the calculations for me? I’m tired.

September 11th

Oh dear.

Tyrphanax said:

yhwx said:

Lord Haseo said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

Haha just kidding, Macs are the anime of computers and I want nothing to do with them.

This might be the most ridiculous thing you’ve ever said.

I’m afraid not.

Nope.

With Windows you’re getting a mediocre (at best) or crappy (at worst) OS.

Also, that picture’s old.

lol k

I guess you’ve just been Stockholm Syndrome’d into thinking the way you do.

TV’s Frink said:

I’d like this better if there was some blood on the apple wound…or some juice? Maybe a few seeds?

Ugh, that’s an old logo.

Lord Haseo said:

Even if it’s old it’s still overpriced as shit.

I’ve tackled this before. It’s not overpriced.

Let’s take the Mac/PC discussion from the Random Star Wars Pics thread over here.

Hopefully I’ll get to discuss why file name extensions are stupid.

Let’s take the Mac/PC discussion from the Random Star Wars Pics thread over here.

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/MAC-or-PC/id/2825/page/5#957950

Tyrphanax said:

Lord Haseo said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

Haha just kidding, Macs are the anime of computers and I want nothing to do with them.

This might be the most ridiculous thing you’ve ever said.

I’m afraid not.

They don’t even make real Mac Pros like that anymore.

Well, I will give you that the Mac Pro has been neglected. Believe it or not, not all Apple fans cheerlead everything that Apple does.

Lord Haseo said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

Haha just kidding, Macs are the anime of computers and I want nothing to do with them.

This might be the most ridiculous thing you’ve ever said.

I’m afraid not.

Nope.

With Windows you’re getting a mediocre (at best) or crappy (at worst) OS.

Also, that picture’s old.