walking_carpet

Tobar said:

emanswfan said:

First test at trying to reduce the teal-orange color grade and give it a slightly more OT look.  Still needs some work though.

http://youtu.be/zwVjr1URORI

JEDIT: As always, Youtube manages to ruin the video with bad compression.

 Night and day! I actually got excited watching it this time. Now the only real complaint I have is that stupid saber. Fantastic work emanswfan!

 interesting.  im not good at spotting the whole teal/orange thing but this trailer it looks like the overall color is slightly dialed back.  I think the nighttime forest scene in the teaser was fine, and we dont know if the blue light with the stormtroopers was because it just had interior light thats blue. 

But its nice to see that john boyega didnt crash land on a planet made out of Tang!!!BWAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAA

Color grading can be a great tool for fantasy movies, and all movies have some look that make it a product of its time due to technology and materials, but I dont want Star Wars to go on a bandwagon and take a look just because its trendy.

its funny cuz on thanksgiving I finally saw SW on Blu Ray at someones house and it looked ridiculous.  He is very knowledgeable about home theatre and had his tv calibrated.  Its a Mitsubishi DLP TV - and this was an underrated display technology that never caught on.  Anyway, even setting aside all cgi crap, the video quality left a lot to be desired.  There was one shot with C3PO walking in the desert and it was almost like he had a magnetic field and was repelling the film grain around him!!  another scene - obi-wan rescuing luke and he looked SO orange, John Boehner would have found it excessive.  I know there has been some debate regarding the color and contrast of that particular scene, but i dont ever remember obi-wan looking almost like a carrot. 

again, i am not as good as others at noticing this stuff.  so when I can spot the ridiculous DNR on TPM and sub-par, oversaturated tiknering on SW, you know its bad.

lurker77 said:

....

 every frame just has too much going on....

oh man....

sorry, i couldnt help myself bwaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaaa

Bingowings said:

One that is bound to annoy me for months to come.

Max Von Sydow is pronounced Max Von Sidoff not "Sid-Ow"

 Really? wow thats been a misunderstanding...for almost his entire 50 year career probably ;P

well, watched it a few more times. and the things I mentioned arent as annoying the second time, but still doesnt really hook me to Episode VII anymore than I was prior to today.

I keep reading that people arent understanding the difference between what is simply the first 'trailer' opposed to a 'teaser'.  In other words, the first trailers for TPM, DOFP arent teasers at all.  OTOH, the 'breathe' for AOTC, that first preview of Alien 3 are what we call 'Teasers'.  Thats fine, but if thats the case, I have seen plenty of teasers that I feel grab your attention succesfully.  Hell, ROTS Teaser was better than this.  Eyes Wide Shut had a great teaser.  Superman Returns had a great Teaser.  If the post-credits for The Wolverine can be considered the 'teaser' for DOFP, even that made me more curious.

This seems more like a really short incomplete, unprepared trailer than a compelling 'teaser'.  You know what I think would have worked better?  if the teaser just picked one of the shots and continued it for a minute or so.  Like if we just continued tracking with that soccer-ball droid as we follow it around mos eisley - giving us a glimpse of how much the GFFA has changed in 30 years.  Or if we continued tracking with those x-wings. I dunno.

anyway, I've heard something that could give me more hope for that Falcon sequence - JJ shot some stuff in IMAX right?  if so, I can imagine that shot be a lot more exciting on a huge imax screen.

at the end of the day, that is the only thing that counts.  But I feel the producers could have offered a lot more and still kept it as a tip of the iceberg.

By the way, how many of you guys have seen it in one of the theatres or know someone that has?

88 seconds, lol.  if you start with john boyega's appearence and remove all the fades, this is more like 40 seconds.

so my thoughts?? Well...Do people still say 'Meh' ?  lol, the once proud saga formerly known as Star Wars continuing the tradition- started in 2002 - of failing to meet even the lowest expectations (speaking for myself, of course.)

I guess I can mention the stuff I liked:

-That cute little soccer ball droid looks like fun.  So this is what happens when young whipper-snapper millennials that grew up on Metroid Prime design robots for Star Wars ;P

-The x-wings skimming over the water looked pretty cool.  Has a graceful, clean elegance as opposed to flashy, garish, excessivley opulent over-production that hurt so much of the PT.

-A forest planet with snow.  Endor and Hoth made a baby!!!  BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA.  Oh well, A life-long midwesterner, I am always good for snow.  I am assuming its not endor in the winter-time nor a patch of forest on hoth.

Things that I strongly disliked:

-sorry, but the MF scene looked like shit.  You know, I'm hearing Star Wars fans loving this trailer but I'm thinking from now on, they should release trailers unannounced thru 3rd party, so fans cannot tell if its fan-made or the real thing.  That should remove any placebo effect.  Cuz I can prmise you if this was in a fan trailer, everyone would say its cgi crap.  It was great first seeing it when the music kicked in, but then it did this stupid circus act and looked CGI weightless and shiny and crap.  That fake GIF of the MF from last week I actually liked better.

-Tatooine Again?!?!?  In the 40 years since Star Wars, we have hubble identifying new and fascinating types of stars and planets, probes sending us shots of Jupiter Moons...and does it translate into any new inspiration for new worlds to create?  evidently not. 

Yes, I know.  Tatooine is the 'heart and soul' of star wars.  but i dont know how they are gonna explain stuff happening on tatooine again w/o it being contrived and ham-fisted.

Things that were uninspiring and maybe a little dubious:

-Absolutely no OT cast.  ok, so we see that john boyega, oscar isaac and daisy ridley are in this movie.  But we have known that all year.  We know nothing about their characters.  so this seems pretty pointless and the brief shots we see don't offer anything.  Yes I know, this is about the ST and a 'new generation' and  'it would be wrong to show OT stuff because it would be nostaglia pandering'.  or something like that :P

I actually find that to be argumentative.  If they had a couple shots of Han, Luke and Leia, fans stil would have loved the trailer and would say stuff like 'this is great. we see these guys we love so much older!! this is gonna generate a lot of interest cuz people are gonna be wondering what they have been up to all these years!!!'.  Besides...they still could have shown r2d2 and/or 3PO.  Are they gonna be also shifted into the background while the soccer ball droid takes center stage?

-The lightsaber with the crossgaurd.  Others have also disliked it, but I think the main problem is how it was ignited..it came off as anti-clmatic and unintentionally funny.  I can picture little kids are gonna be like: 'see that big blade is the daddy blade and the 2 things on the side are the little baby blades!' bwaaaaaahahahahahahahaa.  Hopefully we will have already seen the lightsaber earlier in the movie, fully ignited - kind of like how we saw vaders light saber in SW.

But it made me think of something that i feel could be a great idea but i am afraid there wont be anything like it in the movie.  A lot of talk has centered around how the PT made lightsabers seem boring because of oversaturation.  I kind of understand that - afterall, what sparked a lot of imaginations with the lightsaber wasnt just how it was put together and what it did..but just the idea of a weapon having a history and referencing something from a long time ago.  I actually now believe that this GFFA needs to introduce a new weapon, to recapture that feeling.  This main bad guy is supposed to be some kind of grave robber and/or obsessed with Sith stuff right?  how cool would it be if he discovered a super ancient sith weapon that pre-dates even yoda?  not even a weapon, it could be a talisman or something?  I think that could make for a cool scene - it would be like a bizzarro version of obi-wan showing luke the lightsaber!! :D

-the voiceover.  so much talk about who is saying these lines.  but my problem is, its not sparking anything for me.  Oh well....one things for sure, whoever leaked that the line 'Wake Up' would be in the trailer obviously got a decoy trailer and will be easily marked as a leaker and fired :/

Conclusion:

I'm not sure what the producers wanted to accomplish with this.  Start dialog that a new SW movie is coming?  Well, ANY footage would have gotten the proverbial water-cooler conversations started (do offices still have water-coolers?). 

If this was supposed to be a sign that 'the star wars you knew and love is back!!' im not sure it really acomplished that. 

Maybe they took a look at the cut and want to identify potential pain points and run a test to see what kind of feedback would result? 

Or maybe it was just a device to identify and mark all the word-of-mouth/social media pipelines (such as this site) and how talk is circulated and what type of feedback can be segmented into various groups.

[sigh] I dunno... just give us the damn OOT on blu ray...

Handman said:

SilverWook said:

walking_carpet said:

TV's Frink said:

Am I really seeing people complain about a teaser trailer that is "only" 88 seconds long?  It's a teaser!

 nope.  since star trek has 10 minute trailer, that set the new bar.  accept nothing less.

now, if the 88 second ends with c3P0 announcing the OOT on blu-ray, then it'll make up for it.

 I thought that was just the first ten minutes of the movie, and only if you went to an IMAX venue?

 Yes, that was my impression as well.

 hope everyone had good thanksgiving

i dont know if it was first 10 minutes of movie - i havent actually seen the new star trek movies yet :P

Correct, it was on LieMax Hobbit.  i dunno, its obviously too much to ask for them to show an entire sequence like they did for Dark Knight - maybe for Epsiode VIII they can do it.  Just still think 88 seconds is excessively short.  All a teaser needs to do is set the premise and the tone of the movie.  The teaser for XMEN DOFP was one of the best I have seen in years.  I found out later on that the music used was actually cliche and also used in inception and sunshine, but man it moved me.

actualy starting to get more interested in the teaser poster.  There have been a few movies wehre I thought the teaser poster was better than the release poster.  AOTC was one,  KOTCS was another.

TV's Frink said:

Am I really seeing people complain about a teaser trailer that is "only" 88 seconds long?  It's a teaser!

 nope.  since star trek has 10 minute trailer, that set the new bar.  accept nothing less.

now, if the 88 second ends with c3P0 announcing the OOT on blu-ray, then it'll make up for it.

Tobar said:

timdiggerm said:

You know, despite what you say about original format, I've had no desire to see any Hobbit in 48

 You're not missing out. I tried it and deeply regretted it. Felt like the film was being sped up most of the time. A thoroughly unenjoyable experience, I never bothered seeing it like that for the second.

 i also hope this is just a novelty and doesnt catch on.  Douglas Trumball had some neat tricks for it - can't find the video - but the speed up motion and lighting just kills it.

PJ says 48 fps makes it easier on the eyes for 3D...and he is correct in that regard.  but it screws up everything else :(  I kept hearing that everything has eye-popping clarity, but i thought everything looked dull, cheap and fake.  In DOS, the Laketown scenes looked horrible.

24fps for me still has a richness to it.

happy to hear it'll come out online.  only SW trailers i saw in theatres were the 1st trailer for TPM at Bugs Life and 3rd AOTC teaser (shoot, can't remember the movie I saw but people in the theatre laughed at the AOTC teaser :( )

still wish it was more than 88 seconds.

for STID, the trailer was 10 minutes long!!!   :O

CO said:

walking_carpet said:

I am concerned about some rumors of the story because it betrays the OT in IMO.

 

OK, its one thing to have Vader as Luke's father, but then Luke/Leia are siblings?  Didn't she kiss him in ESB?  Didn't he have a crush on her in SW'77? 

If this were 1982, and the internet existed, many of us here would be saying, "I hope these rumors aren't true that Leia and Luke are siblings, after they smooched in ESB!!!"

So I am essentially saying that none of these movies were needed after Star Wars in 1977.  The deathstar blew up, the good guys won, and yeah Darth Vader and The Emperor were still out there, but the story could have ended, it would be like The Wizard of Oz.  But we went with the changes because we liked the movies, and that is why you have to be open to changes for the ST if they do it right. 

you make a good point CO and as I was thinking about your post, it made me realize there actually could be an opportunity for something in the ST.

before getting to that - its true that Empire and Jedi had contradictions.  I guess i let it go for a few reasons.  In ESB (and star wars overall) Having Darth Vader and anakin as the same person is much more compelling and opened up to many possibilties and gave the OT a lot of depth - even if we all found out that lucas had no real back-story developed.    It also helps that alec guiness gave a delivery that made it look like obi-wan is not being entirely forthcoming. 

Leia as Lukes sister is harder to defend.  Leia as luke's sister AND vaders daughter stretches it and I emphathize with those in 1983 that found it as ridiculous as I found the storyline of anakin creating 3P0 in 1999.  I guess thats why even though a lot of us like ROTJ, we can admit the rot started with that movie.

Maybe one can look at my feelings and come away with thinking that I let a few things go but now I'm drawing a line.  I guess there is some truth to that.  But i still dont think any of those storylines would be nearly as outrageous as the idea that the Empire is still controlling the galaxy or that Luke goes to the dark side.  One can argue that we accepted some of the dubious twists in the OT because the mythology was still developing at the time (nevermind what we know now, things are of course different) but too much time has past.  Unlike SW, there is nothing at the end of ROTJ to suggest the Empire would continue to rule galaxy and it renounces everything and the whole story would just lose its integrity. Its not progressing, its going backwards.  We all know how much the big twist regarding the SandMan in Spiderman 3 actually ruined things.  THis would be a million times worse.

anyway, so what do I think there is an opportunity for?  Luke and Leia's relationship.  The new movies can be used to build more on this angle.  I think that could make for some interesting stuff.  I heard a rumor that Luke disappears and goes into exile right after ROTJ.  and to me, that idea sucks.  One reason is it makes it seem there are no new ideas and the filmmakers are just trying to 'freeze time' - its awful storytelling.  But the biggest reason - I have a hard time believing Princess Leia, after finding out she had a brother after losing her whole family, would allow luke to just leave and wouldn't move heaven and earth to find him.  So hopefully the rumor is not true and he had been missing only recently.  But i think TFA and the ST overall can explore luke and leia's relationship as siblings.  I loved X-MEN DOFP, but 1 of 2 flaws I found in the movie was that Raven and Beast didnt really have a single scene together, after everything that was built between them in FIrst Class.  It'll be dissapointing if Luke and Leia don't have a storyline and some cool scenes.

anyway, you guys all have a good and safe thanksgiving!

Beatleboy99 said:

I don't know if this has been brought up yet, but watching Sith before Jedi does spoil the reveal that Luke and Leia are siblings

 not to mention it ruins what was a nice and intriguing moment, at least for me, in ROTJ when leia is asked about her real mother.

4-5-6 then 1-2-3 if you must see all.

but i think TPM can be skipped entirely.  and then re-edit ROTS so it goes from anakins surgery, skips any mention of padme dying or Bail adopting leia with his wife.

Darth Id said:

 Stale Bores - Episode the First: The Random Premise

There is no canon--only more nonsense.

Best mocking title I have seen in years.

The problem is, w/o canon, the story loses its integrity.  And then if anything is up for grabs, we can't get invested into it. 

which was the exact point you were making, but anyways ;)

fang zei covered it pretty well for me.  I'm probably repeating what i stated earlier when it was announced 2 years ago:

If Lucas was still controlling things, I would want no part of this.  refusal of the blu-ray and the TPM 3D was a positive step in my deprogramming ;)

So thats the one thing the ST has going for it.  I am curious more than anything else;  there simply isnt enough information to get me excited yet.  And I didnt really become curious until that now-famous photo of the table read (is that already the most famous table-read of all time?)

Of Course, the theatrical release of Episode VII will make a ton of money.  As I've said before - no matter whats happened, no matter whats been done or how far it has creatively declined, this is still the most storied catalog in movie history (although after almost 40 years, even Star Wars is now receding).  Whether it becomes a good movie, let alone a memorable classic, is a different question.  And the bigger problem is will we be able to connect to it?

OF course it'll have better dialog, acting, directing, editing, fx, cinematography, action than the PT - just about every movie does.  But thats not good enough.  There needs to be something compelling:  whether its the storyline, the setting, the characters.  And even if this movie is merely decent, it'll become like the GodFather Part III or KOTCS or A Very Brady Christmas or the last 5 seasons of The Simpsons.  A story that wasn't meant to be extended and characters that aren't as interesting because their arcs are simply finished and/or personalities completely changed and everything is too far removed. THe one thing the PT had going for it was the idea of seeing this GFFA we all knew and loved in a different time that we only imagined and the idea of seeing how Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader.  Whats the hook this time?

I don't like this idea that some of the characters may return but only as cameos. what good is that?  some people will say that 'well, the main focus is on the new characters', but it'll be impossible to not have your attention drawn to the very characters that made this so beloved to all of us. And if we are going to go back to this GFFA and its a different place and these characters are radically different than when we last saw them, then we are selling it short by not having a story explaining what happened to them after all this time.  Its one of the reasons I felt that if there were to be an ST, it should be at least 100 years later.

THere hasnt been much info on Princess Leia, why?  Can Carrie Fisher still even act?  her personality is colorful and outragoeus, but thats not what Princess Leia was.  And if she ends up like that on-screen, it'll be too jarring. Again, some people will rationalize it and say'well, its 30 years later, so she is a different person'. But that goes back to my earlier point - we don't have a story to explain how she changed.   this would hurt the movie and become a dissapointment because we all love this character and it'll be a letdown that can't be undone.

I am concerned about some rumors of the story because it betrays the OT in IMO.  Yet, some fans that hate the PT are still inexplicably excited about it. Ridiculous ideas of Luke going to the DarkSide or that the Empire is still in control after 35 years.  I don't mind Luke having ill-feelings or doubting himself or struggling in a new phase in his life - that could be interesting.  But having Luke go to the Dark Side is stupid.  I also don't like this idea of Luke just  becoming the 'Obi-Wan of the ST'  and 'he comes full circle'.  While its inevitable that he would be training a new jedi, if thats the only thing he does, then its pointless.  THere is no sense to having Luke simply as the new Obi-Wan because luke is not Obi-Wan! and Episode VII should not be a rehash of Star Wars!

I dont mind that if after the empire fell, the galaxy went thru turmoil and alliances were formed after the fallout and were at odds with one another.  That could be interesting.  I dont mind if the storm-troopers were repurposed and went back under republic control or represented another faction. But the idea that the Empire is still going after 35 years would be ridiculous.  Making the deaths of Palpatine AND Vader AND the destruction of another Death Star being nothing more than a minor inconvenience would make ROTJ completely meaningless!! (between hayden creepy stare, NOOOOOOOOOO, leia's memory plot-hole, why can't poor ROTJ be left alone :(  )

Some fans are already rationalizing it by saying 'well, an empire wouldnt fall just because of one or 2 people' and use such horrible analogies to real historical events, it shatters my faith in our public education system.

Its the same thing apologists did for the PT:  they rationalize disgraceful and disgustingly stupid story-telling, plot devices and ideas.  and anything can be rationalized.

So, im not blase - if Lucas was making it, I would be.  But these guys will have to pull off something incredible.  1977-1983 will not be seen again, so no one is expecting that.  But if it turns out that you just can't continue a story after the story has been completed regardless of execution, the ST will be haunted by the legacy of the OT in ways that even the PT was not.

I dunno...has anyone read that Shining sequel - "Dr. Sleep"?  if so, did it work for you?  I guess thats probably the closest comparison I could make.

dang, this was one long ass post ;P

I will say that I look more forward to this than the newly announced toy story 4 (i mean...seriously!?  sheeeesh)

As with everything, the OOT needs to be released in order for me to become more excited.

guess it works. could have been worse. more inspiring than ROTS (which a lot of people predicted) and AOTC.

and at least it doesnt have the "of the"

i recall a rumor for episode III was going to have a title "Mask of Doom"  and I thought it was a great idea.  still think it would have been a better title.

Its funny cuz the first thing I thought of when I heard "The Force Awakens" was actually the epilogue of 2061-Odyessy 3

as far as how its printed, I also prefer if they left the Episode VII out

Darth Id said:

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

I think my ability to suspend disbelief (in myself) must be high, because I still think that the effects throughout Jurassic Park are fantastic.

 I don't think JP was topped until Gravity.

Pretty much everything in between stunk.

 now i'm in the mood to pop in Gravity again ;P

i dont know what your feelings are for District 9, but i thought the fx were incredible and kind of underrated due to avatar coming out the same year.

Tyrphanax said:

walking_carpet said:

Tobar said:

walking_carpet said:

whenever I think of SW outside of the OT and its potential, i'll always think back to when I saw that trailer for SW Galaxies and how moved I was (i wish I could find it again).

 

 

the one i saw (i think i mentioned this in another thread) plays the same music when luke tells ben that r2d2 is looking for 'obi-wan' kenobi.

it was the moment the music that plays when ben says "i havent gone by the name of obi-wan",  there was a brief 2 second shot of some girl running towards something, im not sure if she was in a field or on a road but it just caught my attention.  there was just something about it...especially with the music playing in the background.

the commercial says "now you play the greatest star wars adevnture of all....your own"

maybe its just me and maybe it was the time back then, but its just an example i always use when asked if there coudl still be great star wars outside of the skywalker family.

another is that KOTOR game.  friend of mine had xbox and he was playing it and I watched and it was great.  i understand it got great reviews.

someday i'll find that trailer.

Likely this one.

I remember it as well, if it's the same one. So much potential for that game... now I'm gonna have to fire up the SWG Emu, dammit.

  OH YES!!!!!!!!!

 thank you Tyrphanax !

Harmy said:

 If someone would find the link to that article I always quote to back up that the compositing is an important part of the original effects, I'd apprecite it (I'm on my phone).

 

is this it:

http://www.theasc.com/magazine/starwars/articles/empire/comop/pg1.htm 

did some digging and found it in this post you had

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Complete-Comparison-of-Special-Edition-Visual-Changes/post/687712/#TopicPost687712

im looking at those examples and except for the hoth speeder and last image of MF, I cant really see any lines.  And yes, going off of my best memory, the only lines I recall are the rancor scenes. 

Harmy, I watched your 1.0 of the OOT last week and don't recall seeing any and im assuming you didnt remove.

the differences I do see in all examples is that the overall image is more faded as opposed to the recomped versions.  and seperate elements are more faded than others.  I thik I recall Joe Lettieri saying that this was likely done in order to avoid matte lines.

anyway, I guess the thing I would want to know is if all the elements were recomposited, cleaned up and restored using the latest/greatest tech, would that just naturally result in reduced matte lines and keeping the image integrity of all elements?  if so, i think that would be ok.  Its probably not practical to optically recomp the elements anymore than it is to chemically remaster a film as opposed to digitally.  The equipment probably does not even exist anymore(?)

OTOH, if it doesnt and removal of matte lines involves scribbling them out like how wire work is scribbled out, that to me is tinkering.

Harmy, It sounds like you confirmed that if they did a modern recomp but used same elements, it likely could reduce the matte lines.  Your opinion is that it would be a compromised release, but then the only other alternative would be to remaster an IP with all the elements already composited, right?  dang, im so rusty on this stuff.

@baronlando - I always knew money was no issue, but i was shocked to see it that low, lol.  I was never comfortable with the idea of Robert Harris offering to restore the OOT for free because i think that was one of the things that encouraged Lucas' behavior and attitude for everything he does.  He had so many people over the years that would either do things for free or below market rate because we all love SW.  But if those estimates are true, I can understand why mr. harris wouldnt mind doing it pro bono ;P  As for the SW thread, you are a braver and more patient man than I ;P

the gang is getting into the ALS ice bucket challenges

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_yJnqgiEBA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfnqppqUBOI

Mark is still so cool after all these years.

and dang, daisy's gotta deep voice  BWAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

imperialscum said:

riddler95 said:

Robert Harris would do anything he could to perfectly color correct the Original Theatrical Versions to match exactly how they looked when they were originally released in 1977, 1980, and 1983.

Unlike digital colour record where everything is clearly defined (RGB, HSV etc.), in case of analogue medium (i.e. film) colour is a very complex matter. "How they looked when they were originally released" is big variable and is really impossible to determine.

 can someone explain this further?  i remember when i saw the making of the superman II donner cut, they had all these original production notes of everything that was shot with specific details.  and I know that things like lens type, shutter speed, tracking, etc are also noted - wouldnt the same thing be done for color timing?  even though it was analog, wouldnt they have various color 'gradients' defined by some sort of numbering or naming convention so you dont have to guess? 

I guess if I were to make an analogy, its kind of like when you get new tile installed - if something were to happen, they go back to the original dye lot so a replacement doesnt mismatch.

is that not the case or it doesnt work that way? 

I think he did a pretty good job in Shattered Glass.  Hopefully with time and some luck, he can get his career on track the way he wants it and doesnt fall into typecasting hell.

Maybe he's not Ryan Gosling, but I believe he wasnt put in a position to succeed in the PT.

+1

At the very least, the Revisited versions embarrass the hell out of the SE 'enhancements'.

Having the Yavin gas giant in the background during the space battle was great.

OTOH, In the SE, you get Obi-Wans Krayt scream that now sounds like someone pretending he is Tom when his tail is set on fire by Jerry.

Harmy said:

Oh, well, the buildings of those theaters I was talking about are still there, they are just not movie theaters any more - they were put out of business by multiplexes.

Oh, and I've been well enough, thank you :-) Yourself?

 hanging in there.  Looks like there's a 2.0 of ESB out and 2.5 for SW :O  I watched the 1.0 earlier this month for the first time in a while and its still just great.  If what everyone says about the 2.+ versions is true, I am tempted ;)

Harmy said:

That's not really surprising - the theater in which I saw Episode I doesn't exist anymore and the theater in which I saw Episode II as well as the LOTR trilogy doesn't exist any more either.

 hope you've been well harmy.

LOL, you're post got me thinking...even the theatres that I saw the 1997 SE are gone as well :O

are movie theatres becoming more disposable as technologies advance?  before, things use to last for half a century.  now, in just 15 years, they can be torn down.

all in the theatre:

SW - 1977

ESB - must have been the 1981 or 82 re-release

ROTJ - 1983

thing is..none of the theatres exist anymore.