twooffour

brash_stryker said:

Exactly. It's for the sake of this site, not for the sake of morals.

Because we all know, morally, Lucas has been ripping us off with the last 2 DVD releases.

Ghostbusters, I don't see how buying it from ebay or a 'legal site' makes it any less money in lucas's pocket. If you're buying it via digital distribution that's more in his pocket if anything - no manufacturing costs. Ebay and you're still contributing to the market and depriving someone of a used copy, who will then go ahead and buy the retail one.

... or go for the dozens of other offers. Point is, if enough people put the DVDs on Ebay after buying them, more people will own them without having paid the manufacturer, causing the manufacturer to lose some of the profit.

Not that it mattered to me, anyways - I don't care about ideals or boycotts, if I'd be interested in buying that BluRay, I'd do it. I'm not.

none said:

The reason why Frink jumps on people who freely admit 'willful copyright infringement' is for the sake of the forum.  This place exists because people talk about the actual works and their creative and cultural value.  If every thread turned into here's where to get this and that, and I never bought that but watched this, no legal body would have any issue closing the place down.  If you'd like OT.com to continue, consider the implications of your typing.

If the past has any bearing on the future, dvd and blu-ray releases show up pre-sales date.  Star Wars and the piracy story go hand and hand, from 1977 film duplicates to the color lab leak of ROTS.  Every step of the way, for every movie, someone has gone to jail for a Star Wars copy.  The blu-ray will not be an exception.  In the US the FBI/ICE have been expanding their take down of domains, don't be surprised when the SW blu-ray leads to some sites going offline.  Even places like this.

Avatar is probably the best selling blu-ray so far, and there were many articles about the piracy aspect of it's release.  The MPAA and other trade organizations are eagerly awaiting the next big release (ie SW) to re-send their message in a more forceful way.  Some sites taken down will be legitimate, others just get caught in the cross fire.  Do you want to have OTcom's owner, have to make the decision of fighting a court case or closing shop?  All too easy...

So the FBI will track down that one post where one dude kinda says "download it" from somewhere, and close the forum because of that?

Hey, Frink insisted on the original poster giving up the "legal" site, right, so who'd be more at fault here? It's not like we were trading torrent links, right?

And for the record, I'VE NEVER DOWNLOADED NO MOVIE FROM NO AMBIGUOUS PLACE OR SITE IN MY LIFE! My home's full of legally obtained DVDs lying all over the place... wanna come over and see?

TV's Frink said:

We might be able to stop him from announcing it on this site, which is a really dumb thing to do.

There should be no tolerance for even a hint of piracy.

More specifically, actually no tolerance for HINTS of piracy, lots of tolerance for piracy :D

Seriously, who's going to track down some user who said he'd go to SOME pirate site and MAYBE download a copy of some DVD or bluray that hasn't even been released yet? When he's downloading or uploading torrents, there's a small probability... but this way? Meh.

As long as it's Jorge, pirates is alright with me.

Ep1: A Lucky Hope

Ep2: The Droids Striken Again!

Ep3: Reveal of a Sith

Dunno, that one's kinda ok :)

avoidz said:

twooffour said:

Hey, bro, get a humor transplant or something... at least we know for sure that Mr Plinkett really kills hookers!

For that comment, you get a pizza roll :)

pizza roooll, pizza rooooll... pizza rooooll :D

Quackula said:

twooffour said:

bkev said:

For christ's sake there's copies at the Library of Congress. Get help, man... claiming LFL will kill people who prefer the OT reeks of insanity.

Hey, bro, get a humor transplant or something... at least we know for sure that Mr Plinkett really kills hookers!

Have you seen GeneralFrevious's other posts? I don't think it was a stab at humor...

"It will be a matter of time before they start killing people who prefer the OOT over the SE. Or they'll just sue."

That, to me, is a dead give away :D

bkev said:

For christ's sake there's copies at the Library of Congress. Get help, man... claiming LFL will kill people who prefer the OT reeks of insanity.

Hey, bro, get a humor transplant or something... at least we know for sure that Mr Plinkett really kills hookers!

Hey, just to make it clear, I'm not buying it anyway, and I've seen the scenes, so I don't really care - eventually they'll end up in the internet anyway :)

Just made a comparison between the "deleted scenes" and which should rather be reinserted into the movie, if any - as always, the guys at LF do all the exactly wrong decisions on everything :D

I wonder, will the Biggs on Tattoine scenes make it to the release, as well? Because they're both significantly better and more useful than this stupid "just finished assembling new plastic toy with screwdriver" piece of crap.

Maybe VINH would sound like Sauron's Mouth from LOTR (you know, that antiquated, pretentious AristEnglish where he emphasizes every syllable... I, hava to-kan that I wos bid-dan too- show thee!... gee, Bruce Spence is awesome), but not really, no, I don't imagine any voices.

Darth Id said:

Bingowings said:

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The image is from a television show which is therefore in all probability beneath your taste.

...

Fixed.

= translation: I just got rebuked in my insistence on the linked tracks "most likely" being inferior to comparable commercial productions by less lazy people's responses, and don't know what to say.

he is a modern romantic composer

That made me think of something funny. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8memPmhpIA#t=47s

:D

TV's Frink said:

Darth Id said:

You know, as an aside I really don't get most of the jpgs/gifs interjected as pictoral commentary by the regulars on this board.  I'm not being a "hater" and I certainly don't hide behind a purse.

You are so awesome :D

Your "economical principle", though, heavily relies on familiarity with both commercial and free material, and you're not building up your position by refusing to listen to either of them.

And when did I ever say I "hated" Cameron? Actually, I'm not the only one in my opinion that his latest one was a pure, shitty cheesefest while some of his earlier work actually had some quality to it.

And yea, that's the whole point, the "ungodly" amount of people lining up to see Avatar is NOT, ANY sort of indication for how good the movie is objectively, or ANY sort of indicator for my opinion on it.

People previous stormed into the theaters to see the Star Wars prequels, and they sucked. I have NOT REASON WHATSOEVER to believe that just because a bunch of people pays for some commercial, hyped release, it's going to be ANY good.

I could've picked a random amateur production on Youtube and it wouldn't be any more likely to contain some dumbass plot contrivances and cheesy dialog.

As for the music examples in the OP, can't say I particularly liked any of those - the second two were quite "nice", the second "rock" one sucked (and not just because of the video).

IG88 (the last one) was pretty appealing. Pretty much the same what I get from commercial releases of this sort, some of it is plain embarassing and sucks my balls, some is nice and decent, some is original, fun and awesome.

No difference at all. I remember going through some metal bands on MySpace, some of which were non-commercial (at that point), and I did enjoy quite a bunch of that stuff. Listening to "Vader", on the other hand, makes me puke (it's just an impression I got way back, though, not offering this as valid criticism).

Also listened to some stuff by the OP - the first track started with rock-ish part with somewhat sloppy, but certainly fun fast-pased singing in the style heavily reminding me of The Hives - remember watching some of their (and other rock bands') live shows and the vocal work there is just as unpolished, but "entertaining".

Some nice, catchy stuff there, but nothing I could personally get into or "show all my friends".

This is a non-commercial recording (certainly given away for free on Youtube), not sure about the recital itself, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BdP90ITgFo

From what I could find out, this guy still does his music master at some conservatory. A lot of high quality performances at conservatories are completely free.

The guy certainly knows what he's doing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzgOf97kZ-4

Have no doubt he could've easily afforded a better camera, though - lazy prick :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8dP0LW0Ps8

"The versions that are being released are closest to George Lucas' vision. Other than that, no comment."

It's time like this that I wish I was in a movie and had conveniently just drunk a gulp of water so I could spit it out in shock and terror at something so stupid.

I mean, really?? First of all, no one cares about "George Lucas' vision" because he didn't direct ROTJ, for instance, and Empire was most certainly Kershner's "baby", not his (it's also the by far least altered one, to be fair). Lucas' "vision" is also what resulted in the SE changes in the first place, so basically, that dolt could've just pointed a middle-finger at the the interviewer, and the content would've been the same.

Jesus H. Christ, how... STUPID. Does anyone like getting a creepy, cult-like vibe from that whole crew? Just how fucking STUPID would anyone have to be to put THAT quote out there??

Passive and selective are diametrically opposed concepts, BTW.

Not if "selective", as in your case, means selecting that which costs you the least active effort, and ensures you only bother with stuff that comes your way (which is the definition of "passive").

So yea, does anyone else see any reason to continue talking to this guy? He doesn't have any valid insight or opinion, and he proudly doesn't care - he just can't be bothered to do a few mouse-clicks / stand up from his chair and walk a few steps and interrupt his radio stream in order to put on a few youtube clips.

I know I don't.

As it so happens, price is NOT indicative of quality in any way, because the amount of total cheap horseshit produced both in mainstream cinema, and mainstream popular music business, is way too overwhelming.

I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.

but the likelihood of that doesn't even justify the expenditure of time to verify one way or the other.

Except the likelihood in the case of "professional releases" isn't much higher - how about that complete cheesefest James Cameron crapped out recently? - and once again, as soon as you decide not to look at something for whatever pretentious reason you happen to come up with (how detrimental can "investing" the time of 5-15 minutes into checking out some music track you don't know much about, really be?), you automatically have no valid opinion on it.

By going the easy root of shielding yourself from "probably mediocre" experiences, you deprive your position of any substance. Ironic? Well, that's life.

/dismiss

Darth Id said:

First off, you should note that this thread begins on pp. 79-80 of the SWonBlu thread, since those won't be the "last few pages" for long.

Second, in response to a remark you made there, I suspect that there is a great deal on which you and I would agree, aesthetically speaking.  However, there's inevitably a great deal more on which we would disagree.

And third, I still see no reason to click on any of your links.  I tend to hear new music in two ways: seeing a new band play with a band whom I have already paid for a ticket to see; or based on a recommendation from an established credible source (meaning, personal friend) who likens or relates it to a different band whose music I have already deemed worth buying. 

There is simply no rational basis upon which I will blind-click links to music based only on the advocacy of a random forum commenter.  The expected return on the investment of time just isn't there.  (I prefer to reap value from the thrust and parry of arguments and flame wars.)

You clearly participate in an entire community of hobbyists who mutually produce and consume music that is freely distributed.  You value this participation in an enormous number of ways, I'm sure.  I on the other hand am content to be a discriminating consumer of music, and I value the work of professionals.  If, some day, one of your compatriots has a chance to open up a gig at the Mercury Lounge for someone I go see, maybe I'll come to realize its great.  But without such reliable hallmarks of value (to me), I won't pursue what I'm virtually certain will be a waste of time.

So basically what you're saying is that you have no taste or thought on your own, and no one should pay attention to what you have to say. Thanks, that's all I wanted to know.

Now I don't know whether you're expecting anyone here to buy that your day is really so damn busy that you literally have no time to "risk" spending some time on a potentially bad musical experience (that would still enhance your view, knowledgea and tastes), while constantly posting comments that take hardly less time to write than to click on a few of those links and give some stuff a shot - but one thing is certain, by openly take such a passive, "selective" approach to what you watch or listen to in the first place, you completely destroy your credibility as any sort of critic with an opinion from the get-go.

Not to mention the whole story about "commenting on things you don't know about" - as soon as you find yourself at a place in a discussion where you don't have the "time", or interest, or are too lazy to look into someone's examples or arguments, the only step you can reasonably take is BOW OUT OF THE DISCUSSION.

So continue on your life as a "proud and conscious consumer who only invests in credible sources", which basically translates to "listening to stuff for easy enjoyment when it comes your way", and stop commenting.

I really hate that scene with the lightsaber in the cave. It's just horrible forced exposition in every way possible. A SCREWDRIVER? Really?

Darth Id said:

TV's Frink said:

So...Star Wars on Blu-ray anyone?

 No thanks.

watch that youtube vid I posted

Pass.

I guess you're only into all this Pop Idol type crap then?

I don't know what that is.

But in any event, I doubt highly it bears any relation to music like of Montreal or Mars Volta, the two current bands I cited as having worthwhile production values.  Regarding the former, moreover, Kevin Barnes has done everything DIY-style in his basement (with the exception of the latest, uncommonly weak, record).  Production value doesn't mean necessarily expensive studio work, [Edit: It certainly isn't a matter of "software"!--Id.]but only something requiring exacting attention--and very unlikely to be given away for free.

And with respect to pricing as signal to the market, please refer to the work of economist Ludwig von Mises.

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Almost every student at my music conservatory is a better, more accurate singer than, say, Billie Joel Armstrong from Green Day, and they don't get any money from the regular school concerts they voluntarily sign up to.

Sure, they're students planning to eventually make money with their music, but they're VERY GOOD ALREADY.

If you really think "exacting attention" is only invested into a musical production, or performance, if there's gonna be money for it, you're just a great pillock who doesn't know what he's talking about. And someone who blatantly refuses to look into concrete examples by discussion opponents should shut the fuck up, anyway.

Haven't we all experienced how "high production values" AND the "offering for money" accompanied by huge success, can still result in an awful series of films? Shouldn't that prove once and for all that no, the two are NOT correlated, and if the producers think the mass will swallow the product as long as it's got fancy 'splosions, fat pumping bass beats and titillating lyrics about sex, they'll put some effort into that but can, and most probably WILL treat any other important aspect such as acting or original composition work just as sloppily and lazily as a bunch of amateur hacks would?

I'm not giving away hints here :)

"Jabba one inch heh cokhbah musshahnee trite annyou anya russka, hehehe"

"chess poco tootaaah, christooh krenkaaa... ya oscar!"

I've always wondered why these two sentences ended with an "oscah" sounding word despite the completely different content.

I sort of dismissively chuckled when reading it, but that Cracked article was right... now I know Greedo's played by a woman in high-heel flip flops...

Damn you Cracked! You ruined everything! Not just Star Wars... but everything!

Always two there are.

I think it's great TheBoost cares about who's on his ignore list :D

Now please shut up about it, and we're all set.

Wow, the internets really are serious business!

Well, back there when you accused me of being VINH (why should he come back in the guise of another account despite not even being banned? or how come his posts aren't all bleak and stuff?), you actually sounded pretty pissed-off and "serious" :D

So yea, add the "intertubes are srs bsns!" cliché to your list of phrases you shouldn't be using any time soon ;)

TV's Frink said:

Thank you for correcting me on everything I said as you like to do anytime anyone disagrees with you.

Also, where did I call someone a dick?

Sooo, you have nothing to say on the thread topic, nothing to say on your insipid trolling allegations, and nothing to say on the whole "ignore" issue you've picked up instead, but you'd be damned if you'd just let go without tossing in some snippy remark, right?

You're saying I like correcting everyone whenever someone "disagrees" with me. Now little funny questions like "since when is correction of obviously sloppy argumentation an invalid form of disagreement?" - and yes, people do boast about /ignoring someone in an attempt to hurt their pride and get a free ticket to "win" the debate - let me ask you one:

How is that any worse than accusing someone of trolling and "sock-puppeting" (or whatever the verb for that is) based on paper thin suspicions, sheer lack of memory and research and zero evidence, and henceforth treating it like a pretty much a given fact, rather than the wild, crazy speculation that it is?

But hey, let's forget about all that - I deconstructed something you said to me without saying "I humbly disagree with your views and respectfully admit that everything I say is just my subjective opinion", and you'll be damned if you don't make it clear how wrong and arrogant you find this behavior.

Then as if you hadn't already fucked up enough, you have this to ask:

Also, where did I call someone a dick?

Giant fucking /rolleyes to you.

You fail at so many levels right now, it's even hard to put in words. Hint: look at your latest post and scan for the word "dick", and then you can go from there. This helpful tip might help: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd2Eyumtj4s#t=1m8s