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#518823
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LOST
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xhonzi said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-LEXmsd7wg

Season 1 Deleted Scene that proves that it was all planned out ahead of time.

 

I guess I'll have to eat my hat!

That's what I love about Lost.

I'm not sure when it all started, or whether it was conceived as a form of damage control to the inevitable trainwreck, but some time before the show ended, they produced several parody clips with the original actors and Jimmy Kimmel (played at his show) lampooning the show as it went along.
The crypto speak, the plot, the answers, the authors picking through absurd endings from other shows... just self-deprecation without end.

At least they realize what nonsense they ended up with, and keep making fun of it. Props to them.

(Not that unique, though - the Wachowskis sorta lampooned their story in Path of Neo, and I hear George Lucas likes Robot Chicken - but I'm not familiar with that one)

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#518821
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LOST
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asterisk8 said:

For the record, I loved the ending of Lost. It was a series about the mystery of life and how we each come to terms with our own "answer" to that mystery, and the finale honored that theme well. The mysteries of the series were about more than just what looked cool or got people hooked, although that was certainly a part. Lost's mysteries were representative of life's mysteries, and the myths we tell ourselves to make sense of the confusing and oftentimes overwhelming world we find ourselves in. I'd go more deeply into that here, but I don't want to lecture, or spoil things for Frink and anyone who's still watching the series. Part of life is accepting that not everything has an answer. I get it: some people don't want to watch a TV show like that. If a gun is brought out in Act 1, they want to see it used by Act 3. I understand that, and for those people, Lost must've been disappointing. But for me, I found the analogues to real life --  to the struggle of searching for answers and accepting or rejecting what we find -- to be extremely poignant and well-executed most of the time. I'd say 90% of the mysteries introduced in the series have either explicit or implicit answers, and of the other 10%, I'd say less than half can really boil down to writer/producer incompetence or negligence. Lost was modern mythology, and like all universal mythology, its answers were not as easy to come by or as immediately obvious as they would be on a simple TV show.

Lost was not a perfect series by any means, but I think it succeeded quite well at what it set out to do, which was tell an extremely interesting myth about the human condition that repeatedly challenges and thwarts its viewers' expectations.

I wouldn't say so.

If they wanted to do one about "eternally unresolved mysteries", they wouldn't have handed the "contrived checkbox fairytale answers in a pill" at the end.
The mystery of "The Island" and "The Unseen Monster" was far more intriguing than "magic light at a water that makes you evil"; different people brought together my mysterious fate much more interesting than "god dude touches them once in their lives so they get to the island as candidates".
They should've left it at that if their goal was what you describe - but no, they had promised resolutions and answers, and they tried to deliver them, and well how that turned out.


The only thing I could imagine is that the cheesy answers were supposed to tell the viewer "stop trying to find the answers to those mysteries, because they might not be as interesting as the mystery", or maybe how silly religious teachings and myths are in comparison.
I mean, much more intriguing and beautiful to ponder "is there fate", or "is there an intelligence behind the world", or "how did this come to be", then "an angry petty God created it and he controls stuff, so there".
And that's exactly how the final "answers" came off.

But that'd be less of a "brilliant piece of mythological art", and more of a meta joke at the audience.

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#518681
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Lucas to sue Star Wars designer
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CP3S said:

twooffour said:

Oh, don't get your panties in a bunch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKd35EmCIx8#t=75

My panties aren't in a bunch; while I am not a huge fan of the term, my question mark is because you used it COMPLETELY wrong. Presumably just so you could use the word "nigger" and sound cool.

Not really.
The term has multiple meanings all centered around the general "flavor" of being rich and douchey/stupid in some way, shape or form.
It may be "acting up your wealth", or "being rich, and pretentious about it", or "showing off by buying useless stuff", generally being wasteful with the money, having more or less suddenly and/or undeservedly received a lot of money and now acting otherwise, etc.

So that last one doesn't REALLY apply to Lucasfilm, but it SORTA does if you consider that they've basically been milking the SW franchise with an overload of "commercial" merchandise (that probably helped devalue the actual new movies) and mediocre-bad entertainment material.
Plus if you think about how Lucas (and his companions) often "kinda" take the credit for other people's work (Lucas doesn't claim to have directed what he hasn't, or designed what he hasn't, but we all know how it is don't we), and now kinda "acting up" by suing people who've done certain work, in order to get yet more money out of... selling the costumes.


So yea, I thought using that term was perfectly legitimate in that context.


Now, that doesn't mean I think TOO one-sidedly about this issue. Sure, it does go the other way round - namely in the designer trying to cash in on the hype.
Would anyone buy his design if it was from some obscure art collection? No, people want it because the filmmakers using that design made damn fuckin' popular movies with it and given the design a big name.

Still, when you consider all of the above (not so much the formalities, but the common sense), you kinda do stop to think that maybe, just maybe, the "copyright laws" are now extending beyond the area where they make perfect legitimate sense.

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#518606
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BEAUTIFUL WOMEN NEW RULES IN FIRST POST (NSFW) UPDATED RULES
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RedFive said:

Bingowings said:

Fun optical illusion that turns perfectly presentable women into grotesque monsters.

woah!

Ok... seriously, 2/3rds of those look pretty ugly themselves... "presentable"? Please.
If this happened with really hot chicks, I'd be impressed.
I mean, hey, yea, sure, interesting brain trick, science and all that, but still :)

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#518499
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Lucas to sue Star Wars designer
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This, ladies and gentlemen, is the dark side of the whole "copyrights" thing.

On the one hand, it's there to prevent people from making tons of money at the expense of people who actually put significant work into a given product.

On the other hand, to protect rich companies already wallowing in profit from... having a small portion of yet more profit taken by people who actually put the work in.

I understand, at first it's like "we need those costumes designed, but you see how we're spending lots of money on this project (incl. paying you) and do a lot of coordination work etc., and we're not getting the money back, or profit, without selling these merchandising products, too... sorry" - but after 40 years have passed and the company already got nigga-rich, not least due to the... merchandising?
"Nah, we're not gonna let this guy have a piece now, we need someone... to protect our rights!!!"

The dark side, people... the Dark Side.