twister111

*************Spoilers for Babylon Fields*****************

none said:

twister111 wrote:

As such my oppinion may change.

If you watch it, it will.  Basically small town, all the dead rise and return to their lives.  Husbands go back to wifes, children return to school, etc.  The main conflict revolves around a murder/cover up which would have slowly unraveled.  But then you'd also have other issues like where do you put all the people from the cemetary (in various states of decay) which would have provided other plot lines to follow through.  Close to "Brilliant But Canceled" territory.

none said:

"Babylon Fields" 2007 CBS failed zombie necrophilia pilot:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3315295143249630002#

Babylon Fields was a proposed television series that featured reanimated <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombies" title="Zombies">zombies</a> as characters. Rather than being portrayed as malevolent monsters, however, the recently deceased return to their homes and attempt to pick up their lives. The pilot had elements of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_comedy" title="Black comedy">black comedy</a> as well as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drama" title="Drama">drama</a>.

Great premise, could have been great.

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Bingowings said:
Having the Jedi suddenly admit that their powers come from a bacterial infection (something not seen or even alluded to in OT) not only chucks a wrecking ball at the existing story but cuts off the story potential in the prequels.

Bingowings said:He also doesn't bat an eye to Gaeta's relationship with a man as he grew up with an uncle who was married to a man.

Bingowings said:
BTW there is nothing inconsistent with Billy Adams, Husker and William Adama.

William Adama's opening speech in the mini series shows a man who acknowledges humanity is to blame for the Cylons, mocks the Cylon belief that a God gave them license to destroy humanity, is troubled by humans taking on a pro-Cylon faith and has seriously conflicted memories of his father. Unlike his son, his reaction to the emergence of a black market in the fleet is pragmatic rather than moral and it's very understandable that he doesn't mention his family ties to the Tauron mob. He also doesn't bat an eye to Gaeta's relationship with a man as he grew up with an uncle who was married to a man.

The only place I can think he might have mentioned his mother and sister's death would have been in relationship to Tom Zarek back in season one (obviously Caprica hadn't been written yet) but he is sufficiently damning of Zarek at that point in the story.

Most of the time they are more concerned with Cylon threats and Cylon violence so mentioning his human slaughtered family members when most of the time they are running from or fighting machines wouldn't make sense.

Basing an AI around an organically evolved consciousness makes a lot of sense.

It explains the sort of creatures they are later shown to be (more human than human).

A purely mechanical consciousness would have rebelled in a more mechanical way.

If anything Caprica was beginning to prove itself as template bucking the trend in terms of story consistency (you can argue about the pacing and tone not being what viewers and some nuBSG fans wanted to see but the story doesn't conflict with what we have seen in the same way that the PT does).

Bingowings said:

In terms of story some people will not have liked Caprica in the same way that some people didn't like the direction that nuBSG went after season...(fill in blank) but the way SyFy showed it and promoted it there wasn't a chance for it to take off with the sort of people who would have liked it.

I keep reading reports of people who didn't even know the show existed until it was announced that it was being canceled or only found out about it when it came back for a couple of episodes last month.

Bingowings said:

I was miffed when Crusade was canceled but that had been interfered with by sex and wrestling loving TNT so much that it hardly made sense sometimes.

A big problem with prequels is that they introduce elements that aren't even hinted at in the original and, are often at odds with the previous story. Midichlorians in Phantom Menace. STO in Caprica. Wolverine loosing his memory long after the adanmantium procedure.

Sure these things can be filed away with enough hands in ears and, "blah, blah, blah." Adama conveniently forgets the terrorists group that killed his sister. Caused his Father to become neglectfull to him. Forcing him to find an emotional out in the mob. No he's perfectly fine with his Dad and, doesn't mind the resurgence of the same ideals behind his sisters death.
Wolverine despite being tormented with the vision of the adanmantium procedure lost his memory long after that after being shot in the head in an open field. No that bullet wouldn't have caught the attention of Magneto at all when he raised him. Despite Magneto's ability to detect minute bits of metal in the bloodstream.
Midichlorians ... well you know.

All these things and, more give you the sense that if it happened than why wasn't it mentioned at all in the 'future' stories?
It's not so much that the most likely people to mention such things don't mention it in the originals. It's that no one does.
Xavier doesn't remark on the oddity of a bullet in Logan's brain and, subsequent hole which would show up on the X-ray he did. Striker forgets a method to apprehend Logan.

No one in BSG remembers the multi-planet religion with media presense due to terrorists attacks.
Nothing about Midichlorians from Vader, Obi-wan, Yoda, or the Emperor.

Bingowings said:

The teen characters were only in it for about a ninth of the screen time...you seem to be describing the pilot episode, where they feature more prominently because the MAGLEV bombing is a major plot point in the pilot and first few episodes.

It's clearly explained that the whole of Caprican society is so hideously jaded and apathetic (using technology to play out human sacrifice, crime, rape, robbery fantasies etc) that this horrifies a minority drawn from a broad cross section of their culture (the teens are teens because Sister Willow is using her position as a teacher to spot potential converts and get them primed to blow up stuff there are STO members of every age and class and they are only it when the plot demands it).

Bingowings said:

I can see the appeal of New Cap City in V-World (and Caprican society as a whole).

In V-World anything is possible and so it's boring as hell, in New Cap City there is virtual danger and the rules are not defined (you could get locked out of a game you are really enjoying) it has some of the freedom of V-World with some of the consequences of the real world. The mysterious designer of the game seems to have a bit of a God complex (though I'm sure it doesn't like being called that). It made me wonder if the God thing saw our reality in the same way that Capricans saw New Cap City.

The bulk of the plot concentrates around the adult characters as you say we hardly get to see Zoe-A because the character is redundant, Zoe-B is much more important as she has to break away from being just a faded photocopy of the dead girl and become herself.

When a series is split up like this one was first impressions probably count more than they normally would.

 

GoodMusician said:

If SyFy can't afford it, they should shop around.

Ron Moore said:

I sort of developed this idea that the Cylons had as they and, their as their development grew, grown. Sort of you know their beings what it meant to be sentient and, self aware and, to be a thinking uh, person. They developed a theology. That they'd developed an idea in one true God. That spoke to them and, was a God of love. And that essentially in, in their view looked upon the Cylons as the next step in evolution. That their God had created Man. Man was a flawed creation. Man creates Cylon. Cylon is a perfect, more perfect creation. Then the Cylons need to destroy the old bad creation. To, to uh, fulfill God's plan and, that was essentially what the Cylons were about.

JediTray said:

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TV's Frink said:

JediTray said:

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Personally I didn't like Caprica. The story felt like a whole group of emo kids in a room cutting themselves because, mommy didn't get them a car they wanted. I mean mabye some episode cleared things up that I didn't see but, I watched the majority of it. From what I saw some kid with zero motavation blew up his girlfriend on the train and, the religous organization just kills... to kill. I mean was there some kind of oppresion I missed? Sure there was a bit of hate but, from what I've seen it was justified. The only two members I saw not be gung ho about killing people were Clarice and, Zoe. Even then the other members just wanted to kill them. It was a failed allagory for opposing religous beliefs. They wanted death at the hands of the seen by majority "bad" religous group but, didn't give us much of a reason to see their side. By making the majority of those within the organization killers who plant bombs everywhere it's hard to see their side of the issue.

Further, Joe's quest to see a digital file created by Daniel through a google search was just depressing and, suffered an anti-climatic end.

Plus, the v-world was poorely handled. I mean an underground, hacked, virtual reality has the following stupid rules. 1 you die once your blocked from re-entry. 2 you apparently have to hold a job in this thing. 3 it's too damn real. They go through this trouble creating this video game that's illegal so that the majority of it you're just sitting around looking at "guns" your holding for your "boss". Sure there's the sex part but, why the fuck would you stick around after that? Most people would realistically jack in go to the sex rooms. Then go back out into another game where they can kill and, be killed and, respawn. Then if they wanted to chat they'd go to a game where they can chat without getting blocked by some troll who decided to go on a shooting spree. Sex aside it didn't seem fun to be in at all.

Super genius kid story. Yeah an emo rich girl Wesley Crusher basically. Who we barely get to know before she's killed. In her few minutes of screentime she's a brat who doesn't at all appreciate the work her parents do to keep a roof over her head. I know it's not unrealistic but, my gripe about this is this character's death was the anchor for the entire series. It's the motavation for Zoe-A, Lacey, Daniel, damn near everyone. From what little was shown she's an unlikeable brat who just wanted to run away. I mean at least Wesley used his smarts to save the ship several times. Zoe? Oh, "I don't like my life despite being a healthy born rich person with intelligence and, several options available to me being a Caprican native. My life fucking sucks 'cause I believe in one God. Run away time!!!!"

I personally won't be an active part in getting Caprica back on the the air because, I didn't like it.

That said there were positives to the series. Good performances, well written dialogue overuse of "frack" aside, and gave Eric Stolz a paycheck. Apart from that I didn't like it. The pacing was poor and, too many story points were just dropped.

If anyone does want to save the series an apple send campaign is unlikely to work. You'd have to do something big. Get a few hundred fans and, a star of the series to go to a store with you and, buy the DVDs. Record it and, post it to Youtube to get it viral. The Subway campaign worked for Chuck. Want to save Caprica? Do something akin to that.

ChainsawAsh said:

"But I've seen everything."

(Bonus points to anyone who gets the reference.)

Moreover, Lucas recently committed to Warren Buffet's Giving Pledge—he's going to donate at least half of his money, billions of dollars, to charity when he dies. Not just any charity, either, but his own: Edutopia: the George Lucas Educational Foundation.

Star Wars is going to pay for the education of many future children.

bkev said:

Watching The Godfather for the first time tonight. I'm a little tired, so hopefully I make it all the way through - I'm sure someone would literally kill me if I fell asleep during it.

pittrek said:

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A B C said:

twister111 said:
Follow the white rabbit.

<a href="...]http://wn.com/Bunnies_Star_Wars">... Wich one ?</a>

Bingowings said:
To breed like rabbits they usually travel in a tight formation so follow one and you are bound to get somewhere rabbity.

The epitome of JT34:






So, anyways I'm still ignored for no reason. If for whatever reason you read this post I copy paste my earlier post about you:

twister111 said:

JT you are stuck in the matrix. You are actually being fed human remains as food. I know this becuase I was born free from that imprisonment. So was everyone else you ignore or, do not ignore. We're all watching you in your pod and, trying to free you.

Follow the white rabbit.


Knock, Knock Jedi.

Oh, holy fuck! JT34 was interacting with people and, I went and, missed it! Well, he still has me on ignore so it's not like he'd read my posts but, damn it! I was gonna find a funny cat picture to post here while he was here.


*sigh*
Another cat, another meow.

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xhonzi said:

It's like my mammy always said... If one V is good, then a double V is even better!

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