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#177283
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Idea & Info: a Preservation of Alien Evolution doco?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/177283/action/topic#177283
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Originally posted by: meedermow
triffid: some more clarification on the PAL/NTSC 25/24 frames conundrum !

Thanks, I will check the links. I tried to visit this Australian page in September and it was very slow then, so I cancelled my attempts to dig something in there (I was looking for some R1xR2xR4 comparisons missing on Dvdcompare.) Hope its performance is better now.
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#177275
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Idea & Info: a Preservation of Alien Evolution doco?
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Originally posted by: RIJIR
I believe I still have my tape of the original broadcast of Aliens on TV. So, if there is something special there I want to know. I doubt it though. Has any deleted footage (other than the director's cut stuff) ever made it out?


I doubt you have the middle version too. I do not know how many times they aired it, but surely no more than few times. All other broadcasted Aliens are the basic short version, except for the Sci-fi Channel - it aired the longest 91 version. Deleted stuff: See the great Aliens Illustrated Screenplay by Paul Sammon. If you compare the final shooting script with the longer DC, you get only two very short missing scenes. Everything else is exactly as seen in the movie word-by-word. Foster's novelization is older, it reflects the original script and gives you a hint about other missing stuff. But not all of these scenes were actually shot. It includes the famous "cocooned Burke" scene (three photos of it you can find on disc Q4 in photogallery), so this one really exists. I am unsure about the others (and legendary Ripley's snakers as well). But I bet my soul that the FSS script is accurate and that the two short scenes were shot. First one takes place in the middle of the council. They take a short break and Burke instructs Ripley how to answer forthcoming series of questions. He buys a donut in an automat. Second one takes place right before Hudson says Smoking or no smoking? and finds the colonists marks on the floor plan. Ripley and Hicks are escorting Newt towards the rest of the team as she suddenly sneaks under a table and tries to escape. Hicks is more careful this time and watches his hand since she bited (bitted? sorry, I do not know this word well) him already before. He says something like "Hope she got no rabbies" (again, I do not know if this is the word for an infection...). THE ONLY ONE shot of these you can watch yourself is the latest one. Check disc Q4, a 10 sec excerpt of this shot is in the main documentary, part Post-production (I hope).

And hey, US people, it reminds me of something. Can you please explain to a dumb Czech what this "Smoking or no smoking?" sentence means? I never understood it and our stupid translators (both in Czech dubbing and subtitles) did not translate it into something understandable. Is it a reference to some song or what? And why? What is its function in the movie? Nobody and nothing smokes there... (except for Apone, of course).


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#177077
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Idea & Info: a Preservation of Alien Evolution doco?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/177077/action/topic#177077
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Klokwerk: Jonno has probably the same copies as you (the same quality). I bought the second disc some time ago myself (this is the one with the unfinished Making of Aliens). As I wrote above, to get Giger’s Alien is necessary to find somebody who has the original not-yet-rusted LD. (There is one on e-bay for months. But that Japanese fool asks several hundreds dollars for the Giger 3 LD set.) A. Evolution depends on Jonno’s opinion about the quality of the video.

Meedermow: Nice to meet you here. Hello! I always suspected that there must be something like this somewhere. But I have no time to surf the net and search for these forums. I was just lucky this time. I found also an UK bootleg page of this kind, is it worth of visiting? Yes, you are right, the missing part is not 5 minutes long, I exaggerated a bit. Giger again: As far as I know, there is no other LD edition than the Japanese one (but I may be wrong in this). And maybe also an UK VHS version. I vote for the LD. The Alien DC documentary reminds me that we should finish our transaction. You did not answer to my last mail again… What this „sync“ issue means? Did you repair the sound without lowering the quality of the video? Switched on.

MeBeJedi: Thanks for the answer. You are saying that both have the same total number of frames, but PAL „eats“ them faster and thus the movie ends sooner, OK? I do not understand the second sentence. How can anybody add frames? Do you mean they duplicate some of them like A-B-C-C-D-E-F-F-G-H-I-I-J…... to get 30 into each second?
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#177072
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Idea & Info: a Preservation of Alien Evolution doco?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/177072/action/topic#177072
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Uff, too many answers at once.

Ash595: Thank you for your answer. I will try to check this. Basically, I am not interested in copies, DVD-Rs etc. If I can buy the original somehow somewhere, I do so. Only if I cannot, then I am willing to accept copies. But this DVD (Galaxy Beyond) seems to be really priceless to me, I am not interested in the other sci-fi movies discussed in the main feature, especially not the very old ones. If I want to spend 15 dollars for Alien trailers, I can order Abyss double disc edition. It is a shame I do not have it yet anyway. It contains as much as 6 Aliens trailers and thus some of these must be necessarily „unknown“.

Rijir: Trying to find out. I am not a member of any Alien forum even if there are plenty of them on internet. I mean - maybe this version is something common and normal to these people (but I doubt so). I met only three references to this movie until now. Bill Hunt from Digital Bits mentions it indirectly (Aliens DVD review), using a word „longer“. By the way if you did not read his comments to Quadrilogy there, you really missed something! Making of disc Q6 without Fincher was painful. He even included Lauzirika’s memories (nightmares?) in the book Insiders Guide to DVD (44 pages about Quadrilogy). I did not read it yet, waiting for my copy I ordered. But the shorter version of the story on Digital Bits was amazing. Second reference is on A2 laserdisc (see “laserdisc archives” on disc Q9, one of the last pages). Third one is from an Italian Aliens magazine I bought in 1995 in Milano. Personally, I do not think that this middle version is for any good. I think you can edit it yourself by excluding either the robotic guns plot or Ripley’s daughter plot from the long version, probably the later. But who knows? That is why I want to see it.
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#176917
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Idea & Info: a Preservation of Alien Evolution doco?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/176917/action/topic#176917
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Originally posted by: Ash595
I don't think so

if you have:
But if you are interested in movie trailers, this dvd includes as extras, a lot of 20th century fox trailers, with trailers for Alien and Aliens, not seen on the alien quadrilogy set.
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To Ash595: Can you be more specific about the DVD To the Galaxy and Beyond, please? If you own the disc, of course. How many Alien trailers it includes and which ones exactly? I am surprised to read that they are not on AQ disc 9.
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#176908
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Idea & Info: a Preservation of Alien Evolution doco?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/176908/action/topic#176908
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Well, if you really want to start an Alien research thread...

Here are the most rare videos NOT included nor in Legacy or in Quadrilogy. The Alien Saga is a separate DVD easy to get for 10 to 14 dollars and thus it is not listed there.

- Aliens, the first director's cut for CBS broadcast. The "middle" version around 145 mins (in NTSC or approx 140 in PAL). By the way is there anybody who can explain to me why PAL movies are always shorter then their NTSC counterparts? The difference is usually 4 mins per 2 hours. Is there a different number of cells per second or what? To Suntech: No, I never saw it and I have no idea which scenes are or are not there. But I really hope to see it before I die...

- Giger's Alien documentary, 34 mins. I have a copy from e-bay. Unfortunately not first generation, poor picture. From Japanese laserdisc (with burned Jap subtitles in the picture). Looking for a clear copy from other source. Last year there was Giger's exhibition in Prague, Czech Republic. I was lucky to meet HIM there, but this is not important. They screened this documentary on a big screen, English version without any subtitles. But their copy was also poor, so I did not even bother to ask if I can get it somehow.

- Alien Evolution, 75 mins. Uncut version of the s/t documentary on disc Q9. I have two copies - on a VHS and on a DVD. None of these is perfect, probably 6 or 7 out of 10 points. Always looking for better one.

- Making of Aliens, cca 30 mins. UK TV broadcast only. I bought a DVD-R copy on e-bay, but that version is not complete, the video ends suddently some 5 minutes before end credits. Not to be mistaken with the short 8 minutes Making of Aliens from Alien 1 UK rental VHS (restored as a bonus on Alien Saga DVD).

- Alien Resurrection audio-visual press kit (or electronic press kit: EPK), 45 minutes. A trailer, interviews, unedited B-roll. Never saw this one and I am trying to buy it from one US collector for two years, unsuccessfully.

I am looking to find perfect sharp & clear recordings of these 5 things many years. Giger is probably the easier one to get. I do not know if there is an US version of the LD. But if not, there is still the Japanese one. Anybody who owns the original LD can make very good DVD-R. Hardest one? The CBS cut of Aliens, I think. Even if somebody had it on a VHS, he probably deleted it when Cameron released the full version in 1991 on LD.

To Jonno: What is the quality of your Evolution? Do you own the Giger LD or just a DVD-R?
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#176536
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Idea & Info: a Preservation of Alien Evolution doco?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/176536/action/topic#176536
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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
Any chance of getting the Alien Legacy disc? It's completely OOP since that mail-in offer was discontinued right?


In case you still want the original, it is constantly for sale on e-bay for a year or so. The English guy offers it again and again, he has many copies probably. It is European second edition with an Alien trailer added and its own Amaray case. PAL video system. Probably Region 2 - I can check my copy if you wish, sometimes these DVDs happen to be regionless. Look on e-bay for "PROMO ONLY ALIEN EXTRAS DVD", 3 pounds.