As movies go, it’s R1, OT, TFA.
My full personal canon is all on a Word document on a flash drive and I don’t feel like copying and pasting it, whilst also needing to edit it to work in Markdown. I guess I could put it on a Google doc and paste the link, but I don’t feel like doing that right now.
I’ve probably said this before, but I’ll say it again. ROTJ was (technically) my favorite when I was little. It was the one I remembered the most distinctly, even if I didn’t remember which movie it was, since my memories of the trilogy blurred together in my head and I oft forgot which film was which because I didn’t own them and they were usually rented out from Movie Gallery by other people.
Also, this part scared the crap out of me when I was… 4 maybe? I can’t remember how old I was.
I was listening to the Jedi soundtrack the other day, and I thought, “wouldn’t it be kind of quirky if we heard the soundtrack version of Lapti Nek playing in a bar or on the radio in a future Star Wars movie?” Like a polished, studio cover of the cult Max Rebo Band hit.
Not a movie, but they did that in Battlefront II way back whenever that was. It played somewhere in Mos Eisley. There’s nothing as great in that game as slaughtering your enemies left and right to the sound of Lapti Nek.
That’s definitely on my list of easter eggs and things to include if I’m ever in charge of a Star Wars movie.
Also on the list:
- Jaxxon
- Fake-out starfield at the opening (starfield not actually being a starfield, but something like this, as I almost thought might happen in TFA upon watching the trailer:
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One of my prequel scripts had the opening shot pan down from a ‘vast sea of lights’ onto a dark underground lake, with the bioluminescent algae from above reflected in its waters.
Cool.
I was listening to the Jedi soundtrack the other day, and I thought, “wouldn’t it be kind of quirky if we heard the soundtrack version of Lapti Nek playing in a bar or on the radio in a future Star Wars movie?” Like a polished, studio cover of the cult Max Rebo Band hit.
Not a movie, but they did that in Battlefront II way back whenever that was. It played somewhere in Mos Eisley. There’s nothing as great in that game as slaughtering your enemies left and right to the sound of Lapti Nek.
That’s definitely on my list of easter eggs and things to include if I’m ever in charge of a Star Wars movie.
Also on the list:
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With the extended version in place, what do people hate about this movie? I enjoyed it so thoroughly, I can’t understand the extent of the trashing!
Ok, don’t get me wrong, it’s not perfect, but it was pretty dang good, particularly with the added scenes.
When I first saw the film, I thought as you do. However, for a while, one line of dialogue was burned into my mind. It was something Superman said to Lois, “No one stays good in this world.” In this moment, Superman, champion of the world and most beloved hero of mine since I was very young, gives up on humanity. He just. Gives. Up. And declares humans as a waste of his time. After a little while, I realized something else: he already had long before this scene. The very first thing he does on screen is murder someone. Did the victim threaten his girlfriend? Yes, but what should Superman do? Something like this:
But instead, he decides to crush the man’s body through solid walls, giving an eerie smile before he does, as if he derives a sadistic pleasure from killing this man.
Later, Superman is seen saving people from various disasters. When he takes a girl from a fire, he glares menacingly at the crowd around him. He treats every good deed he does, everything that Superman should do, as a chore. There is no heart in it, no humanity, but murder? That is something that Superman apparently can get pleasure from now.
Superman is dead in this movie, but Doomsday didn’t kill him. Superman was already dead. We have, in his place, a coward. We have a brutalistic tyrant in his place.
There’s a comic story where Superman meets some new superhumans that call themselves The Elite. They’re mean, and resort to murder often. However, they quickly become popular among the people for getting the job done. Where Superman has those pesky morals that get in the way of dealing with villains permanently, The Elite are seen as the true heroes for the modern world. Superman, sick of the actions of The Elite, decides to face them, and The Elite set up a fight to the death between them and Supes. It’s off Earth, but The Elite have cameras broadcasting it to the world below. Suddenly, Superman’s not holding back anymore, and eventually all except the leader, Manchester Black, is seemingly dead. Black is terrified, and so are the people of Earth. Superman is a murderer now. Black exclaims that Superman is a hypocrite, and that now the people have seen his lies. Superman then says that he knows that everyone saw it, and they were scared. They saw Superman kill without mercy and were shocked. It is then that Superman reveals that he didn’t kill anyone. The Elite are all alive, knocked out, with broken bones and headaches, but alive.
Black then yells at Superman that he’s living in a foolish dream world. Supes’ reply was this:
Superman. Not a killer, like that movie would have you think, but a hero.
EDIT: If you like the movie, that’s fine. I’m just a geek who reads too many comics.
Very well written post! More and more, I begin to realize the hate for how Superman has been treated in the DCEU. I really enjoyed Man of Steel but am unsure how much I would like it after thinking about what Superman’s character really means. I’m curious what you think of the original Superman film? I haven’t seen it in a while but I’m curious if it still holds up or not.
The 1978 Superman film is among my favorite movies, and therefore easily my favorite comic superhero movie of all time. I love it.
With the extended version in place, what do people hate about this movie? I enjoyed it so thoroughly, I can’t understand the extent of the trashing!
Ok, don’t get me wrong, it’s not perfect, but it was pretty dang good, particularly with the added scenes.
When I first saw the film, I thought as you do. However, for a while, one line of dialogue was burned into my mind. It was something Superman said to Lois, “No one stays good in this world.” In this moment, Superman, champion of the world and most beloved hero of mine since I was very young, gives up on humanity. He just. Gives. Up. And declares humans as a waste of his time.
Thank you for the excellent reply.
Thank you for the excellent compliment!
I see Luthor much like the Joker in TDK. They both try to break the hero with impossible moral dilemmas. Personally, seeing the inability to solve the dilemma made the story interesting to me. All along, he sees Batman as a vigilante, little better than the criminals he fights. He has already developed a strong opinion about Batman’s flaws. If he has to kill an evil crime fighter to save his mother, he feels he is choosing the lesser of two evils, but he knows he will be branded for life.
But he doesn’t have to kill Batman. He could’ve conveniently said “Martha” before the fight and the issue’s resolved early.
After a little while, I realized something else: he already had long before this scene. The very first thing he does on screen is murder someone. Did the victim threaten his girlfriend? Yes, but what should Superman do? Something like this:
But instead, he decides to crush the man’s body through solid walls, giving an eerie smile before he does, as if he derives a sadistic pleasure from killing this man.
His smile was not sadistic. It was a reassurance to Lois that all would be well.
Not how I saw it, but okay.
Should he have snatched the gun as you have shown in your picture? Yes, that probably would have been better, especially to sell the narrative that I am pushing above. That said, the ability to fly fast it one direction is one thing. The ability to instantaneously change directions and fly back would be extremely difficult. Yes, we are talking about Superman, but perhaps in this reality, it is not possible. I see it that he had little choice. I wish they had chosen to do what you describe, but more for the movie’s consistency that for Superman’s perfect morality. But if we just view it as a matter of morality, this Superman is young and inexperienced. He killed how many in Man of Steel while fighting Zod and the gang? But he is developing his moral compass and his abilities, and perhaps this movie is the catalyst that helps him develop his rule of no killing.
If anything, Man of Steel (a movie I hate more than this one) should have been that catalyst. He’s killed Zod, and should realize the toll it should take on his conscience. Instead, this is ignored.
Later, Superman is seen saving people from various disasters. When he takes a girl from a fire, he glares menacingly at the crowd around him. He treats every good deed he does, everything that Superman should do, as a chore. There is no heart in it, no humanity, but murder? That is something that Superman apparently can get pleasure from now.
That’s not at all how I saw it. He was depressed and disappointed at his failure to save them, that so many were injured right under his nose. He was emotional and flew away in sadness and with the knowledge that everyone was judging him for his failure.
I think we’re talking about two different fire scenes. I refer to the one that begins the montage of talking heads.
Superman is dead in this movie, but Doomsday didn’t kill him. Superman was already dead. We have, in his place, a coward. We have a brutalistic tyrant in his place.
This is why Batman wanted to kill him. He is a flawed hero, who I see as on a learning curve. I see a similar flaw with Batman, except at the other end of the curve. Instead of being an idealist, he is now a cynical, old figher. He used to have a no-kill rule. He used to disable, but not maim his opponents. But years of fighting and bitterness have turned him into a ruthless killer. He really is little better than the bad guys.
Which I would’ve liked to see. Instead we rush to Diet-Frank-Miller’s Batman because… Snyder loves Miller.
There’s a comic story where Superman meets some new superhumans that call themselves The Elite. They’re mean, and resort to murder often. However, they quickly become popular among the people for getting the job done. Where Superman has those pesky morals that get in the way of dealing with villains permanently, The Elite are seen as the true heroes for the modern world. Superman, sick of the actions of The Elite, decides to face them, and The Elite set up a fight to the death between them and Supes. It’s off Earth, but The Elite have cameras broadcasting it to the world below. Suddenly, Superman’s not holding back anymore, and eventually all except the leader, Manchester Black, is seemingly dead. Black is terrified, and so are the people of Earth. Superman is a murderer now. Black exclaims that Superman is a hypocrite, and that now the people have seen his lies. Superman then says that he knows that everyone saw it, and they were scared. They saw Superman kill without mercy and were shocked. It is then that Superman reveals that he didn’t kill anyone. The Elite are all alive, knocked out, with broken bones and headaches, but alive.
Black then yells at Superman that he’s living in a foolish dream world. Supes’ reply was this:
Superman. Not a killer, like that movie would have you think, but a hero.
EDIT: If you like the movie, that’s fine. I’m just a geek who reads too many comics.
I actually love your comment, so no apology needed.
Thank you. Your comments are good also, even if I disagree.
Thank you for the insight. I think it’s a great demonstration of how Superman could be, and explains why probably many were so disappointed. I personally enjoyed his flaws, but I totally understand the reason for disliking them and preferring the more perfect Superman.
The point that I guess I’m trying to make is that Superman, from the very beginning, has always been someone to not only admire, but to aspire to be. His fight is against cruelty, against injustice, always has been. Now, we, or at least I, cannot look up to him as a symbol against cruelty, he is now its advocate. It especially doesn’t work when Snyder tries to cram Messianic imagery into the movie.
Thanks to you as well, Fo.
Amidst the above compliments—which I am most grateful for—it is with great enbarrassment that I’ve just noticed a few errors and typos on the back. I won’t be able to work on those this weekend, but I’ll try to have those fixed by Monday.
Also, it says 2-Disc, when, really, Disc 1 is a coaster 😛
Thanks! 😄
I caught the very end of Ghostbusters (2016) on TV just now. If the rest of the movie was like those last few minutes, then my strong opinion is that surprise that anyone had a strong opinion of it. It exists, that is all.
If I get a good set with a proper OOT I don’t care if they label it Disc 87-1/2.
even if the disc art is luke with a sombrero?
I’d prefer sombrero discs to the boring, blank discs so many Blu Rays are.
With the extended version in place, what do people hate about this movie? I enjoyed it so thoroughly, I can’t understand the extent of the trashing!
Ok, don’t get me wrong, it’s not perfect, but it was pretty dang good, particularly with the added scenes.
When I first saw the film, I thought as you do. However, for a while, one line of dialogue was burned into my mind. It was something Superman said to Lois, “No one stays good in this world.” In this moment, Superman, champion of the world and most beloved hero of mine since I was very young, gives up on humanity. He just. Gives. Up. And declares humans as a waste of his time. After a little while, I realized something else: he already had long before this scene. The very first thing he does on screen is murder someone. Did the victim threaten his girlfriend? Yes, but what should Superman do? Something like this:
But instead, he decides to crush the man’s body through solid walls, giving an eerie smile before he does, as if he derives a sadistic pleasure from killing this man.
Later, Superman is seen saving people from various disasters. When he takes a girl from a fire, he glares menacingly at the crowd around him. He treats every good deed he does, everything that Superman should do, as a chore. There is no heart in it, no humanity, but murder? That is something that Superman apparently can get pleasure from now.
Superman is dead in this movie, but Doomsday didn’t kill him. Superman was already dead. We have, in his place, a coward. We have a brutalistic tyrant in his place.
There’s a comic story where Superman meets some new superhumans that call themselves The Elite. They’re mean, and resort to murder often. However, they quickly become popular among the people for getting the job done. Where Superman has those pesky morals that get in the way of dealing with villains permanently, The Elite are seen as the true heroes for the modern world. Superman, sick of the actions of The Elite, decides to face them, and The Elite set up a fight to the death between them and Supes. It’s off Earth, but The Elite have cameras broadcasting it to the world below. Suddenly, Superman’s not holding back anymore, and eventually all except the leader, Manchester Black, is seemingly dead. Black is terrified, and so are the people of Earth. Superman is a murderer now. Black exclaims that Superman is a hypocrite, and that now the people have seen his lies. Superman then says that he knows that everyone saw it, and they were scared. They saw Superman kill without mercy and were shocked. It is then that Superman reveals that he didn’t kill anyone. The Elite are all alive, knocked out, with broken bones and headaches, but alive.
Black then yells at Superman that he’s living in a foolish dream world. Supes’ reply was this:
Superman. Not a killer, like that movie would have you think, but a hero.
EDIT: If you like the movie, that’s fine. I’m just a geek who reads too many comics.
Since the cover of the new Power of the Daleks DVD doesn’t match the theme of the other classic Doctor Who DVDs, I put together a cover to fit better, if not perfectly, with the rest.
Also bleeding hand trooper in the first scene!
I wasn’t born yet. I wish I was though, because watching all the news broadcasts and other various videos about the build up is very entertaining, especially since nobody even suspected it would suck (out of the people depicted in the vids).
I too missed it, but I don’t care that I missed it, I’d much rather have been born in time to have been blown away by the original film with no expectations than to see a lesser film with greater hype beforehand.
If what North Americans call corn is usually called maize in the UK, would/do they call corn mazes “maize mazes”?
Amazing maize mazes.
I just realized I have 343 images, gifs and videos of dogs saved on my computer.
think of all the poor dogs you didn’t save… you should be reported!
They’re all good dogs, Bront.
I think I get that reference.
It’s a good reference, jeebrent.
A version of TFA without the three of them is a strange thing to think about.
I was reading about When Weird Al did his episode I parody song “The Saga Begins” on Wikipedia. He said he got the lyrics to it by scouring the internet for spoilers months before it came out. He got to confirm the plot by going to a special screening that you had to pay alot to go to before he released the song. Anyway, it got me thinking, was the hype for Episode I pretty big before it came out? I imagine since there was websites reporting rumors and stuff then the hype must have been up there some. I wasn’t into star wars at the time so I didn’t see anything about the buzz and I didn’t care about Star Wars until 3 came out and everyone was saying how good it was.
That Weird Al song is the closest thing to the prequels that will ever be in my personal canon.
EDIT: Unless I ever rewatch TCW, but idk that I’ll ever get around to that.
Best : The Man Who Laughs inspired Joker
Worst : This abomination
Y’know, as indifferent as I am to the MCU (Daredevil notwithstanding), at least the characters (mostly) look like their classic comic book counterparts. With the DC films, everyone looks like a warped caricature conjured up from some really bad Elseworlds story.
Literally
Worst: The Batman Joker
Nope, still better than Suicide Squad. How that movie got a Hair and Makeup Oscar nom is beyond me.
Take it to the fan fiction forum.
Head canon: He was a different guy named Wedge, and he decided to abandon the rebellion between the briefing and the launch of the attack.
Antilles is a common name in the SW galaxy, so sure, why not say Wedge is too?
Wedge Antilles is the John Smith of Star Wars.
I don’t know why everyone is making jokes over something that will destroy every aspect of our lives.
Because nothing matters anymore. At least we want to be destroyed happy.
Happiness was destroyed forever when Donald Trump became president.
I am beyond depressed and everyone refuses to listen to me.
People actually did interact with you seriously when you were acting like a normal person. Now that you’re back to being crazy, rude, insane, and making light of the holocaust, people are right back to responding to you like you’re a madman.
Let’s get one thing straight. When I make a comment referencing the holocaust, I am never making light of it.
I believe we are repeating the horrors of nazi Germany under Donald Trump; I would post this in the politics thread, but you were ups ban me for making hyperbolic comments that in my opinion are close to the truth. You have defined me as an insane, rude, and insensitive person when in reality we are entering the end times. Even if we survive Trump, it’ll be too late to save human civilization because we will have hit the tipping point for climate change. Even if every person believed 100 percent that global warming is real by 2025, there is absolutely nothing we can do to stop human extinction, along with nearly all plant and animal life.
This is the worst era in history, EVER, and I am dead serious right now.
Let’s just say you were 100% right. What would you like us to do about it? You’ve said none of us are helping you. What does helping you entail? Do you just need to vent?
It just wasn’t supposed to end up like this.
Yes it was, time is fixed, the future is inevitable, I have nothing to look forward to in life other than the next few Star Wars movies, my best days are behind me…
Wait, suddenly I’m being serious. Help!
This is not a fucking joke. Nobody cares that I’m in pain right now. I will never heal again, or ever experience happiness. But no, all people ever do just dismiss my feelings as “trolling,” and don’t even give the time of day.
I wasn’t joking either. Well, I was at first, but after I finished typing I realized that I meant every word I typed. ¯\ _(ツ)_/¯
