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#56160
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Episode I-VI: Archival Editions
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/56160/action/topic#56160
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Originally posted by: HotRod
But there were only 2 versions of LOTR, and spaced by only a few months. So if you wanted the extended version you just had to wait a couple of months or whatever.

I just don't think that the average punter is going to shell out all that money, to what will be slight, minor changes to a film they already own. Again, the average person couldn't care less about it.

Lucas wants people to see his version of the film.......Thats the point!! People aren't gonna see his version, if no-one buys it...no-one but the real hard core SW fans..

On the other hand, if the so called Archival editions had the original versions along with the september release, a few more people are gonna be interested and spend that kind of cash.
Only a few mind.
For instance, I like LOTR, and I bought the DVD when it was released, but I couldn't give a shit about the EE.
I ilke 'em but not that much.
Same for the dumb public. They like SW and are going to get the DVD, but they ain't gonna buy it again just coz there's a few 'extra' bits in it.

But fuck it, if they do release a special, special edition of SW, no doubt I'll be mug enough to spend the cash again.


I'm sorry, you're right, there were only 2 versions.

I was referring to the number of DVD sets you could buy of LOTR. amazon.com lists some:
The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring (Full Screen Edition)
The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring (Widescreen Edition)
The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring (Platinum Series Special Extended Edition)
The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring (Platinum Series Special Extended Edition Collector's Gift Set)

Then you've got all the box sets of Fellowship + 2 Towers, WS and FS editions, the full trilogy in WS and FS.

I also thought there were more sets.
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#56156
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Other SW DVD releases- expected by year's end
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/56156/action/topic#56156
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Droids lasted 15 episodes, from Sept. 1985 to Nov. 1985, with the last 2 episodes showing later, in June of 1986.
I haven't, as yet, found anything about how good or bad they were.

Ewoks made 35 episodes, from Sept. 1985 to Jan. 1987.
Again, nothing about how good or bad they were, but one thing I read the person compared it to the Smurfs.

The Ewok Adventure (Caravan of Courage) was a direct-to-TV movie shown in 1984 (I think I heard it was on CBS, but I'm probably wrong about that).
817 voters at the IMDB give it an average rating of 5.1 stars out of 10.

The Battle for Endor was also direct to TV, in 1985.
815 voters at the IMDB also give it an average of 5.1 out of 10.
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#56133
Topic
Episode I-VI: Archival Editions
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/56133/action/topic#56133
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Originally posted by: HotRod
Jimbo, I think you are wrong.........again

I went on about this a few posts ago.........

It doesn't make any sense to release another special edition.

Too many people are gonna buy this DVD in september, Lucas knows this, so this is the final version, the version millions of people are gonna buy, the version Lucas wants people to buy, the final version!

Not many people are gonna fork out £30-$60 dollars whatever, again in 2 years time.
It just doesn't make sense.
But no doubt you'll say I'm wrong and that yoare right!
I, for some reason, have to side with jimbo on this.
How many different editions of LOTR were released to DVD?? There were at least 3, right? People bought those. Why wouldn't they exhibit the same stupidity with Lucas?
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#56131
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Other SW DVD releases- expected by year's end
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/56131/action/topic#56131
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I didn't see a thread about this, so I thought I'd post about it.

According to what I've seen on tf.n and thedigitalbits.com, we will see 3 SW collections and 2 SW movies coming soon.
One collection is the Clone Wars, but we knew about that one.

The other stuff is 2 sets containing the Droids and Ewoks cartoons from 85-86 and the 2 made-for-TV movies, Caravan of Courage and Battle for Endor.

Thoughts:
- Being the fan I am, I'm willing to shell out for all this stuff.
---The droid cartoon, for whatever reason, I never saw, so it will be new to me (even if it was so bad it only lasted a season)
---Ewoks, I recall only a tiny bit of (the episode with the Battle Wagon, and how it had a single pin that, when pulled would destroy the whole thing).
---The 2 movies I remember more of.

Worries:
- I know Lucas is busy with the movie and such, but should we fear that he makes changes to the 2 Ewoks movies?? After all, he said he would wait to put the original trilogy on DVD until after EP3 so he could devote more time to it, and we know that didn't happen.
What could he do?? I don't know, but I wouldn't put it past Lucas to do it.
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#55407
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I'm thinking lawsuit...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55407/action/topic#55407
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Part of the problem is Lucas' unwillingness to acknowledge the originals.

On the '99 release, the probably don't say they are Special Edition because Lucas seems to think of the originals as 'rough cuts'.

In line with a thread which appears to have gone inactive (and doesn't really relate too much to this), Lucas should either acknowledge the original, or have his Oscar's taken away.
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#55282
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55282/action/topic#55282
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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
I think you are missing the point. He isn't going to make Boba Fett sound like the kid, he's going to sound like the Clone-origin Jango Fett. If you'll notice, all the Clonetroopers have the exact same voice. They are fully aged, to about the same that Boba Fett would eventually be. An older Boba Fett would have to sound like Jango Fett if their DNA is IDENTICAL. Twins don't have completely identical DNA, thus the changes. Clones do.

I understand what you are saying about the "plot holes". I think Lucas realizes that in order to create a better story arch and make the Prequels better, he has to change some things about the original.
However, because people are all individuals, and make their own choices, it would make sense for 2 people's voices, even if they are genetically identical, to be different.
Let's play a little game called "Me and My Clone".

I live a clean life, hardly ever sick and never did anything that could harm me.
But my clone caught pneumonia as a small child, then got hooked on cigarettes and spent his next 20 years smoking 2 packs a day.

Tell me, which will have the less gravely voice, me, or my clone??

Now, I'm no medical practicioner(sp?), but wouldn't the amount of time you spend talking also affect your voice?? (You yell a lot, you get hoarse.)
Well, what if Boba says 5 million more words over the course of his life than the average clone?? He should lose some edge to his voice for that reason.

Now, why did Lucas use the same voice for all the clones?? Well, duhhh. Most of the time, they had helmets and armor on, so we had no way to tell they were clones. Lucas needed some gimic to keep that fact in our minds.
Well, since we couldn't see, feel, smell or taste them, we would have had to hear them.

I hope I that made sense.
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#55175
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Prequels from an Expanded Universe POV
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55175/action/topic#55175
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Originally posted by: Hal 9000
R2 D2 & C3PO are also to be found in Raiders Of The Lost Ark...they're represented as Hieroglyphics on the wall of the Well Of Souls, just behind the Arc.

In Indiana Jones & The Temple Of Doom the club theyr in at the very beginning is called Club Obi Wan.

Does this mean that all these films are connected in some way? that they all exist in some parallel universe?

According to my theory, they'd be EU.

It's a joke. I was only being half serious.

These are frickin movies! Of course things are gonna contradict.
You forgot about the E.T. connection:
In E.T., at Halloween he saw a Yoda costume and started walking toward it saying "Home, Home."
In TPM, there are E.T.s in the Senate.

I'll bet we are all connected.
I've got a half-finished Fan Fiction about this kind of stuff too.
A Star Destroyer battle group picks up our earliest TV broadcasts of Hitler at the Munich Olympics, comes to investigate. Its spotted by military satellites, one grainy image is released to the public, and "I" (the reader) am the only one to contact the US government because I could make out its form and I understood the danger.
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#54673
Topic
Prequels from an Expanded Universe POV
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54673/action/topic#54673
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Originally posted by: die-jarjar-die
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Originally posted by: starkiller
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Point 3: Ships- Again, this is more dependant on EP3, but where are the Dreadnaughts, Alderaanian War Frigates, Republic TIEs, Z-95 Headhunters?
theres 20 years between eps 3 & 4, thats a lot of time for new ships to come be wheeled out of the production line, plus we dont know for sure what ships we are going to see in Ep3, it has been suggested we will see early prototypes of some Ep4 ships
Except that in the case of at least 2 of those ships, they were used IN the Clone Wars according to what I've read (Dreadnaught and War Frigate).
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#54533
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Continuity Errors in the OT
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54533/action/topic#54533
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Oh, I forgot.

Here's one from ROTJ that no one ELSE has noticed, to my knowledge:

Towards the very end of the movie. Luke is in the process of being electrocuted by the Emperor.
Now, there are 2 seperate shots of Darth Vader's head where he turns to look at Palpatine. In the first one, you can see hand-grease smudges on the side of his helmet.
Moments later, in the second shot (I think this is were we see him start to motion towards Palpy to pick him up), the smudges are gone.

Added: Once I get the DVDs, I'll confirm it with screenshots.
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#54349
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54349/action/topic#54349
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Originally posted by: jimbo
No I am convinced of this. Women have a belief that men are pigs.

1. They expect men to pay for everything on a date.
2. They say Women and children in a disaster. What the hell makes a womens life more valuble then a mans
3. More women channels then mens
4. Women having more rights to the kids in a divorce
5. 80% of all income is made by men. 80% of income is spent by women
6. In most countries, a quota law ensures that - in case of equal qualifications - a female applicant has to get the job if more than 50% of the employees are male. No such law is in place for men.
7. Women have fought their way into every men’s club and organisation, and are now able to enforce their membership by law. Would you dare demanding access to a women’s group?
8. A lot of venues organise ‘ladies’ nights’ - similar events for gentlemen would be illegal
1. That is a conscience/subconscience sign to them that you are capable of providing for them.
If you cannot pay for a lousy dinner, what makes you think you can take care of credit card bills or mortage payments?
2. Children still have their lives to live. Women...gee, I don't know, maybe it has to do with reproduction.
3. I cannot explain this. I think ricarleite has the best explanation.
4. Wouldn't know.
5. In the traditional western family unit, that's how it is. The man provides, the woman prepares.
6. I'm against quotas of any kind. If you're qualified for the job, you should get the job.
7. Not Augusta!!
8. I think this is best compared to the Black History Month discussion we had a few weeks ago. "Gentlemans' Nights" aren't done probably because the venues have that most of the time (unless I'm misinterpretting the kind of "ladies night" you mean.

I wanted to add something. I probably shouldn't, but I think I'd like to see what kind of reaction I can get from it.
Over the weekend, I saw this headline:
Nicole's looking for love
Upon further investigation of the article, it says that Nicole Kidman is "desperately looking for a fella" and that "I’m a 37-year-old with two kids. Men aren't beating a path to my door."

I don't get it. Jimbo, if men are like you think they are, why exactly is she having this trouble? She's beautiful and, to put it bluntly, she's loaded.
I'd be lying if I said I didn't dream a little after reading the article.
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#54341
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Prequels from an Expanded Universe POV
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54341/action/topic#54341
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I've read a fair chunk of the books.

I don't think that the Prequels mesh as well as I would have liked with the EU (which Lucas seems to have completely disregarded).

Point 1: Boba Fett- Originally was a man banished from the planet Concord Dawn. Now, he's a clone copy of the same man used as the template for the stormtroopers??

Point 2: Clones- This is slightly more dependant on EP3, but where are the Spaarti Cloning Cylinders?? For that matter, who/what are Spaarti??

Point 3: Ships- Again, this is more dependant on EP3, but where are the Dreadnaughts, Alderaanian War Frigates, Republic TIEs, Z-95 Headhunters?

Point 4: Events- I'm hoping we get some mention of Thrawn and/or the Outbound Galaxy Project. So many have said that Lucas likes the Zahn Trilogy best, that it holds truest to the spirit of Star Wars, yet Lucas has yet to do anything that shows that the Zahn books fit into his own story.
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#54339
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54339/action/topic#54339
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Well, if it means anything, it was my first 5 years, K-4.
Then, my family moved to a new state, and I started 5th grade in a public school.

My point was, though, that the experience (plus the stable family life) instilled me with something I consider special, something that I think sets me apart from some of the people I've met.
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#54328
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54328/action/topic#54328
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I think my scratchy goatee and mustache pretty much seal it jimbo.
I'm definitely not a woman.

I spent 5 years in a Catholic school, and all 24 years of my life under the same roof as my parents. Unlike some families, they tried they're best to instill strong old-school moral values in me.

1. I was never jaded in anyway by a "free" allowance. I had to work for my money by doing chores.

2. If I did something wrong, I suffered the consequences. Mouth washing (my choice...bar soap, or pump soap. Trust me, choose the bar), cheek-slapping, spanking (you know those plastic paint-sticks with the 1/4 inch diameter holes? I'm now immune to their effects), a good rap on the back of the head, no TV, sitting on a chair for X minutes (which I suppose is what you might call now a "time out"), standing in the corner.
(I usually wasn't sent to my room because I had enough books and stuff that I enjoyed that).
And I learned right from wrong.
(Ever seen that episode of Southpark where all the kids are "diagnosed" with ADD? Remember the "radical" treatment chef found out about? I'm all for that.)

3. Guys are like that? Absolutely, but you cross a line with me.

Now, if you cannot have/show respect for a simple actress on the screen, how can anyone expect you to have an respect for something important. A boss, a spouse, yourself, the people around you??
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#54326
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54326/action/topic#54326
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Originally posted by: Bossk
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Originally posted by: jimbo
Shes perfect, an angel, my dream girl.

That TRO is forthcoming...
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Originally posted by: starkiller
Welcome everyone, to the end of good taste and common sense in America's youth.

heh heh.
I'm sorry, but its not a laughing matter.
At his age, I would have been soundly slapped across the mouth, then been sucking on soap for using that word. (Actually, at that age, I wasn't even aware of the word, but I led a semi-sheltered life, and its not worth getting into that).

I suppose if asked, jimbo would tell us that Showgirls and Striptease are American classics, and he wouldn't understand what the medievel concept of 'courtly love'. That women are to be looked up to, placed on a pedestal (just high enough so you can look up their dress ) for worship, and respected.

I see no respect from jimbo. Not for women and not for classic cinema (such as the classic SW trilogy and Schindler's List).

As a result, I also find myself losing some of the respect I had for him based on a very few things he said concerning Fahrenheit 9/11 that I agreed with.

Now, that aside, Natalie Portman is a very fine woman. She attended...Harvard (right?), so there must be something significant between her ears. She has a fine face and its not at all displeasing to the eye.
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#54324
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Fahrenheit 9/11
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54324/action/topic#54324
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunterBe careful who you quote as "the truth." Fox News is hardly as "fair and balanced" as you would like to believe. As for the whole voting registration system, what kind of idiotic system allows you to register your affiliation with a particular party? Kind of takes the anonymity out of the whole democratic process, doesn't it?
Just found this, thought it might be of interest:


59 Deceits of F-9/11

I'm still in the process of reading it.