smudger9

All input is welcome in this thread 😃.

Great last episode. However, that cold open has created a problematic story gap. That’s going to take some creative editing to overcome.

I’m erring on the side of a single movie for season 2. I’m excited to finally start cutting things together knowing how the season finishes!

SandMTV said:

I really love Boba killing Fortuna at the end of Season 2.

Great scene, but that has no part in my plan here. I doubt it’ll even make the cut in my Boba series movie!

I think the way to go here is to wait for the finale and then work backwards. There may still be a way of making this a single movie.

I edited together season one into a single movie and it worked really well. As others have said, season 2 is very different and I’m having trouble putting together a plan for it. The Razorcrest is also a massive problem because it will limit the ability to move episodes around. Digitally altering it is way beyond most amateur editors.

JakeRyan17 said:

I’d keep 15 over The Siege. It has better character development for Din as he gives up wearing the helmet to save the child (which is huge for him). The Siege is pure filler, with only learning about the experiments… but we already knew about that from Season/Film 1.

There will certainly be a lot to think about think about after next weeks episode. The biggest problem with this season is the Razorcrest. It’s going to be a massive continuity bind.

So disappointingly chapter 15 was pure filler. Some great individual moments like seeing inside Slave 1, seeing Din remove his helmet and the seismic charges. However, it’s 100% side quest.

However, it can be easily cut. I’ve moved the Gideon/Child scene forward slightly so that it occurs whilst Din and Boba are heading for Nevarro. Then I have the Din/Cara conversation which cuts to the Din holo transmission to Gideon - the implication being that Cara manages to get Gideon’s co-ordinates off screen.

Here’s hoping for a long final episode otherwise I’m going to be stuck in the horrible position of season 2 being too long for 1 film, but too short for 2 😦.

JakeRyan17 said:

I just know it’ll be a big enough deal when it comes up. It’s Bo-Katan’s entire motivation, because of the political power, specific to Mandalorians and the planet Mandalore, it will bestow. I feel like cutting it out is undercutting that plot line, which will only become more important as this goes on.

Time will tell. At the moment I don’t think it’s significant enough to add that scene into episode 1 and derail the ending.

My main thoughts about episode 1 currently are whether I need to replace the Sorgen episode with the Tatooine one! 😦

szopman said:

After rewatching the first smudger9s TCW movie, I definitely think you should cut the first 38minutes (I think it kills the pacing and its not that relevant to the story itself).

The rest should stay because of the way smudger9 edited this story, connecting Christophis, saving master Koth and battle of Kamino, its just genius.

Thanks Szopman. The Cat and Mouse portion can certainly be cut.

As for keeping the rest of it, it depends on the goal of the project. The first movie is the one where I took the most liberties with the timeline and as a result it doesn’t fit well with a continuity project.

One thing I had completed (but not released) before I lost my work was an edit of the Clone Wars movie. It is definitely possible to create a “de-snipped” 😉 version (I even rescored the “heavy rock” segments). There are some great moments in it like the whole Teth sequence and Dooku v Anakin.
The Kamino episodes can then be cut together for a single feature and placed in the timeline closer to where ARC troopers should be.

JakeRyan17 said:

smudger9 said:

JakeRyan17 said:

I’d also, still, recommend adding the Darksaber back in. You can cut it in prior to Din leaving the planet, make it more immediately after Gideon crashes. It’s going to be such a big plot element, as it’s such an Excalibur or Akenstone type political allegiance tool for Mandalore, and that’s what Bo-Katan is searching for in s2. It’s too big of a Mandalorian culture moment, and works as a better reveal that he’s still alive rather than the Darktrooper scene.

I actually think the Dark Trooper reveal scene works better because we discover that Gideon is alive at the same time that Mando does. The one issue that The Tragedy has thrown up is the actual Darksaber reveal. It needs to be a big moment and showing it to Grogu doesn’t cut it… so I cut it 😃

https://vimeo.com/487542687

It needs a reveal prior to Bo-Katan though, that’s why I feel it needs to be restored here. If you wait until after, it will need more gravitas than it’ll get, similar to how revealing it to Grogu wasn’t a big reveal. The only way we get a bigger reveal is if Bo-Katan shows back up and she sees it and explains what it is. While that may happen, that’s becoming the end of your third film with it being a minor mcguffin in your second film, when it could just be a tease/reveal he’s alive in the first, which would set up those other stories.

I don’t think it needs a pre Bo Katan reveal. Yes she mentions it, but that can either act as a precursor to a full reveal, or it can be cut.

JakeRyan17 said:

I’d also, still, recommend adding the Darksaber back in. You can cut it in prior to Din leaving the planet, make it more immediately after Gideon crashes. It’s going to be such a big plot element, as it’s such an Excalibur or Akenstone type political allegiance tool for Mandalore, and that’s what Bo-Katan is searching for in s2. It’s too big of a Mandalorian culture moment, and works as a better reveal that he’s still alive rather than the Darktrooper scene.

I actually think the Dark Trooper reveal scene works better because we discover that Gideon is alive at the same time that Mando does. The one issue that The Tragedy has thrown up is the actual Darksaber reveal. It needs to be a big moment and showing it to Grogu doesn’t cut it… so I cut it 😃

https://vimeo.com/487542687

Maybe the last 2 episodes will both be an hour long! I can dream 😃. There is the option of putting chapter 12 at the start of episode 3 since they are now on Nevarro, but I’ll have to see how the next 2 episodes pan out!

szopman said:

JakeRyan17 said:

I would bring back season 1’s Tatooine episode (The Gunslinger) and merge it with Chapter 9. Introduces Boba and Fennec together. You could then take the beginning of Chapter 10, and do a comedic cut from it being dangerous to the broken down ship in The Heiress, using that episode as your third act. After, you can use the tag from The Seige as if one of the repair guys in that episode informed Gideon.

Film 2 could be The Jedi, The Tragedy, and the final two episodes.

And I still think the Gideon tag from the end of season one should be put at the end of the season 1 film.

I don’t think we need to see Bill Burr’s introduction, just like Lando’s origin wasn’t needed on screen.

Thats probably the best approach for now.

At the moment I don’t need to put in The Gunslinger. I’ve edited out any reference to Mando knowing Fennic and it works. She’s just Boba’s sidekick or hire. Have to see if that still holds true by the end of the season. I’d like to avoid using the Gunslinger if I can because it really drags out the Tatooine stuff and I really don’t like Toro.

Annoyingly, from a film perspective, the best “end” to episode 2 would be the kidnap of the child. It would give it an ESB vibe. However, I’m then not left with enough material for Episode 3.

hinventon said:

Episode 6 was awesome!! (spoilers)

If you’re aiming for 1 movie, I think you need the Boba hook at the start, so I’m thinking maybe you show Cobb and cut after Boba pulls his gun to him with the armor? Or you could use the jawa footage and maybe try to frame it as Boba buying it from the jawas. Then you could have the Boba shot while removing the bulk of that episode, and go right to the Bo Katan episode, straight from frog lady intro to the ocean planet and cut the part about the hyperspace eggs. It looks like Fennec is also gonna be a part of the crew though, so it might be easier to just frame her as a new character and cut the dialogue where her and Mando know each other. You might be able to do the same for Bill Burr’s character later but I suspect him and Mando will have some dialogue referencing S1 Ep 6.

You can shove the tracker/darktrooper scene in anywhere and remove a lot of that episode, but I think Ahsoka’s episode is a problem because you gotta see Mando get the spear and reveal the Grogu info (and Ahsoka is just awesome so I would love to see a lot of her)

Having 2 movies would definitely space things out more but I wouldn’t know what to end it on, maybe the Ahsoka episode?

Yes. I think that episode has just blown the single film plan out of the water. Difficulty now is deciding how to structure 2 films whilst giving a satisfying ending to the first one.

szopman said:

smudger9 said:

szopman said:

smudger9 said:

szopman said:

Well, in my opinion, if you dont wanna cut all the great stuff, you should divide it into two movies (suposing it Will go like that) :

1st one: Mando’s Journey to find the Jedi. Trimmed 1st ep, some bits of the 2nd ep, Episodes 3,4,5 with some Trimmed moments of course. At the end, it turns out that the protagonist has to follow another path. Maybe as a cliffhanger, or a postcredid scene, you could move the last scene of the 2x4 😉

2nd one: suposing we d get the 2part finale at least, the shorter 1h30movie.

Thats the only Way i can think of when it comes to a movie format of s02. This season is So much better than the 1st one. The first one, i think I ll always prefer to watch your fanedit as a pilot movie, but the second one, damn, i May even rewatch it all again 😯 anyway, waiting to See how you gonna deal with it 💪🏽

Annoyingly I get the feeling there will be about a film and a half worth of material in season 2.

Well, you can always try with 3 shorter movies, doesn’t have to be 2h30 each I guess 😉

I ve been watching your edits since 2015 and I must say you evolved as an editor a lot in terms of cutting the stuff thats not crucial in story-wise terms 😉 I think, just an observation of a viewer of your edids 😅

I really don’t want to mess with Episode 1. It works so well as a 3-act movie, probably the best of all my film edits.

No, I meant 3 shorter movies made out of the 2nd season. Not touching your ep I at all 😉

I think I t’ll be a choice between two 1.5 hour movies and one 2.5+ hour movie.

szopman said:

smudger9 said:

szopman said:

Well, in my opinion, if you dont wanna cut all the great stuff, you should divide it into two movies (suposing it Will go like that) :

1st one: Mando’s Journey to find the Jedi. Trimmed 1st ep, some bits of the 2nd ep, Episodes 3,4,5 with some Trimmed moments of course. At the end, it turns out that the protagonist has to follow another path. Maybe as a cliffhanger, or a postcredid scene, you could move the last scene of the 2x4 😉

2nd one: suposing we d get the 2part finale at least, the shorter 1h30movie.

Thats the only Way i can think of when it comes to a movie format of s02. This season is So much better than the 1st one. The first one, i think I ll always prefer to watch your fanedit as a pilot movie, but the second one, damn, i May even rewatch it all again 😯 anyway, waiting to See how you gonna deal with it 💪🏽

Annoyingly I get the feeling there will be about a film and a half worth of material in season 2.

Well, you can always try with 3 shorter movies, doesn’t have to be 2h30 each I guess 😉

I ve been watching your edits since 2015 and I must say you evolved as an editor a lot in terms of cutting the stuff thats not crucial in story-wise terms 😉 I think, just an observation of a viewer of your edids 😅

I really don’t want to mess with Episode 1. It works so well as a 3-act movie, probably the best of all my film edits.

Darth Lucifer said:

Thank you so much for making this, Smudger. I was able to find and download your fanedit…I am totally BTFO, you are a truly talented editor who needs to be on Disney’s payroll.

My only complaint is that I didn’t like the 20th century fox logo replaced with the Star Wars heads…also when that fades out, you can catch a couple of frames of “STAR WARS” written horizontally before it switches to the Lucasfilm logo.

For my own personal copy of this movie, I redid the logo by putting the 20th century fox back in like a classic Star Wars movie. I found this version of it on Youtube ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE5VdQ0zAQs ), but then I used another Lucasfilm Ltd. logo without the “A Disney Company” underneath because it’s redundant to see it a second time. The music sounded a little off to me, so I used the audio from the 2005 ROTS version of the fanfare. I sliced off the THX part and substituted it with the fanedit.org disclaimer at the beginning.

I have a lower quality version of the file hosted online so anyone who wants to see it can check it out:

https://mega.nz/file/3i4i0aTC#kOsh3gCggV2ObrqgpFYjcI0MfIgJRllSURSsAWxklZ4

Thanks Darth. I’m like you and love the Fox logo. I used it in all my Clone Wars edits. I just felt this was the time to move away from it, especially as we now have a new Star Wars logo sequence.

szopman said:

smudger9 said:

szopman said:

So, any chance of seeing the alternative version without the crawl or with a classic SW logo (and no EP number) maybe? 😇😇😇

Absolutely.
However, I’m gonna wait until I’ve finalised my season 2 plan because there are probably some changes to be made to episode 1.

Sounds interesting.
What are you gonna change? 😉

Nothing major. I’ll probably put back in the child eating the frog-creature on Nevarro and being referred to as a carnivore because his appetite seems like a running gag.
I may have to remove the space battle and use it in episode 2.
I’m still considering trying to edit the Grief Karga transmission so that it takes place on Sorgen, rather than in space - depends on whether my roto skills are up to it!

szopman said:

Well, in my opinion, if you dont wanna cut all the great stuff, you should divide it into two movies (suposing it Will go like that) :

1st one: Mando’s Journey to find the Jedi. Trimmed 1st ep, some bits of the 2nd ep, Episodes 3,4,5 with some Trimmed moments of course. At the end, it turns out that the protagonist has to follow another path. Maybe as a cliffhanger, or a postcredid scene, you could move the last scene of the 2x4 😉

2nd one: suposing we d get the 2part finale at least, the shorter 1h30movie.

Thats the only Way i can think of when it comes to a movie format of s02. This season is So much better than the 1st one. The first one, i think I ll always prefer to watch your fanedit as a pilot movie, but the second one, damn, i May even rewatch it all again 😯 anyway, waiting to See how you gonna deal with it 💪🏽

Annoyingly I get the feeling there will be about a film and a half worth of material in season 2.

szopman said:

So, any chance of seeing the alternative version without the crawl or with a classic SW logo (and no EP number) maybe? 😇😇😇

Absolutely.
However, I’m gonna wait until I’ve finalised my season 2 plan because there are probably some changes to be made to episode 1.

PMs sent

This is certainly not going to be as easy as season 1!. Its still not clear to me whether season 2 will need 1 or 2 films. It depends on whether event in The Marshall become significant or not. If not then I agree with Jake by starting with the Heiress and hopefully it can be done in 1 film.
I loved the Jedi episode so it would be hard for me to cut any of that out. I have done a rough edit where the opening scene is moved and combined with the finale. Works really well as it adds suspense to Din locating her whilst keeping the kick ass Lightsaber scene.

JakeRyan17 said:

Even if Boba Fett comes back, we still won’t need Din obtaining the armour. Especially if you open on Tatooine with him in the cantina with the armour and mention his search for Mandalorians in the crawl.

But if you’re going to cut the point of Din being on Tatooine, you may as well just start on Trask and explain the trashed ship in the crawl.

Cracking episode this week. Finally some meet to the plot.

I agree with the general feeling… at the moment I see 2 options

1. Open with the trashed crest approaching Trask.
2. Open on Tatooine, transition into space and then cut to Trask… either in the comedic way that szopman suggested, or but cutting in a space battle scene (only contender at the moment is from Chapter 5, but I’d have to cut it out of the first film… which is easy to do).

I guess the right option boils down to how important the chapter 1 content is. Filoni rarely lets threads like Boba remain loose.

WitchDR said:

I think you should find a way to incorporate Chapter 5 and 9 together in the first movie. All you need is Din to have Boba’s armor.

The plot thread from chapter 9 doesn’t really fit into the first movie. At that point Mando is trying to keep his head down, not find other Mandalorians.

OutboundFlight said:

I think we’re jumping the gun here. 9 and 10 can are nice filler episodes, but entirely irrelevant to the bigger picture. You can establish in the crawl that the Mandalorian is searching for others of his kind, and he is transporting a passenger to a planet in search of finding one. Then start with Episode 11.

Mando’s line in the cantina could be repurposed at some point to explain how he got Boba Fett’s armor. The only continuity issue is the ship being wrecked, but the Falcon’s hyperdrive got crummy between 4 and 5 so I don’t think that matters.

This is certainly what I’m leaning towards at the moment.

szopman said:

For me, most of the 1st EP should stay, most of the 2nd should go.
Maybe the transition shouild be from him saying it Will be a trouble to go without hyperspace, to him landing with the crashed space ship? It would be a humorous Way to show he was right, without gettin into details 😅
Im really curious how the season will go, and how structure wise to make it one or 2 movies

That’s what I’m leaning towards. I’m seriously considering using the Chapter 5 dogfight to bridge that gap and take it out of my first film.

JakeRyan17 said:

Yeah… it’ll be hard to tell what is actually relevant until the full thing has aired.

Another option is to take the approach to Tatooine from Chapter 9 as your intro, then go to the Cantina scene in 10, and take the beginning of the travel with the fish lady. Cut from prior to the X-Wings, and go into the continuation of this mission in Chapter 11. That way the armour is explained in dialogue, setting up the act 1 mission, and we’re off to the races with Dyn meeting the hooded woman (again, presumably in Chapter 11 since he’s still with the frog lady in that scene from the trailer). This is all assuming this character is someone relevant to the story, like many of the theories that it’s Sabine from Rebels. You could cut out potential references to how damaged his ship is, and if he mentions needing repairs, his ship always needs repairs.

I’m not sure that cutting from the Tattooine exit straight to chapter 11 will work because of the state of the Razorcrest.

I’ve managed to cut out the spiders from chapter 10 and it works well. I’m at 57mins including crawl for the first 2 chapters. I’m going to leave it as a rough cut because its still not clear how essential these 2 chapters will be to the story.