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#1425694
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The Mandalorian Episode 2: Search for the Jedi (WIP)
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biggzsizzle said:

Are we still looking at May 4th for release?

I’m still hopeful.

I did my watch-through of the final cut and I’m really happy with it, apart from the Tattoine to Trask sequence.

Other than the opening sequence rotoscoping everything is now complete, so I’ll have time to tinker with the sequence this weekend. I’ll post a rough cut of it tonight for some opinions before I complete the audio.

Overall, despite the season not allowing for a classical 3-act movie, it is a better watch than season 1 because the content is so amazing.

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#1424479
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The Mandalorian Episode 2: Search for the Jedi (WIP)
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And here is a list of the current changes to produce the movie:

Opening
Current Star Wars and Lucasfilm logos with 20th Century Fox Music
Classical Star Wars opening crawl
Classical Star Wars opening space pan using scene from Chapter 5 (The Gunslinger)
2 “in cockpit” shots added from Chapter 5 (The Gunslinger) to extend approach to Tatooine.
On planet approach trimmed and first shot of Pelli cut.
Opening scene scored using “Mando is back”

Chapter 9 (The Marshall)
Cut Pelli lines about buying the child.
Cut Pelli line “still don’t”.
Cut Pelli lines moaning about R5.
Shortened sequence where Mando travels to Moss Pelgo including cutting the Tusken Camp scene.
Shortened scene of Mando cruising through Moss Pelgo.
Cut Cobb Vanth Flashback sequence.
Cut Tusken Camp scene.
Reduced amount Tusken language used in battle plan scene.
Cut speeder return to Mos Pelgo scene and replaced with a transition wipe to a static shot of Moss Pelgo with camera zoom.
Cut Tusken arrival at Moss Pelgo
Cut Cobb Vanth drinking Tusken drink before the battle.
Cut Krayt Dragon retreating back into the Sarlaac pit.
Cut Mando “take care of the child”
Rescored Boba Fett’s intro scene with “Imperial Starfleet Deployed” from ESB.

Chapter 10 (The Passenger)
Cut Ambush Scene
Cut Pelli “I’m not a Rodian”
Cut reference to travelling sub light.
All scenes after Tatooine Hangar are cut.

Chapter 11 (The Heiress)
Transition from Tatooine Hangar to flipped hyperspace exit shot from Chapter 13 (The Jedi).
Heavily damaged Razorcrest approach cut.
Mando waking up cut.
Cut line about fuel and burning to a crisp.
“drop” into atmosphere cut and replaced with planetary approach shot from Chapter 10 (The Passenger) with X-wings removed.
Heavily damaged Razorcrest shots removed.
Razorcrest falling into ocean cut and replaced with bumpy landing shots from Chapter 10 (The Passenger) with zoom to hide fact that the child isn’t present. Added Mando line “looks like we made it”.
Trimmed opening Track scene to hide the heavily damaged Razorcrest.
Trimmed Frog reunion scenes.
Cut scene of the Mandalorians destroying the boat.
Cut Koska lines about hitting them hard and scanning for lifeforms.
Cut “which one”, “all of them” Imperial interaction.
Cut “close all the doors” shot.
Reduce pause after “in the cargo control area”

Manufactured scene where Mando discovers that Gideon may be alive:
Change Bo Katan line about the dark saber to add Moff Gideon’s name.
Add Mando “Moff Gideon is dead”.
Add Bo Katan “don’t believe everything you hear”.
Add Mando “If Gideon is alive” and run it into “I have to return to my ship, with the foundling”.
Add score from “the experiment” to add tension.

Cut shot of Imperial pilots when they realise they are about to die.
Cut scene where Mando gets his damaged ship back from the Mon Calamari.
Replace damaged ship exit from Trask with planetary exit and hyperspace jump from Chapter 3 (The Sin)

Chapter 12 (The Siege)
All scenes cut except

  1. Scene on Razorcrest of Mando and Grogu Drinking. Dialogue of Mando telling the child that he’s special and that they will find where he belongs used from Chapter 14 (The Tragedy).
  2. Republic cruiser scene where the tracking bacon on the Razorcrest is revealed.

Chapter 13 (The Jedi)
Opening lightsaber battle scene cut.
Cut reference to the Beskar staff from the Mando-Elspeth scene.
Add Ahsoka theme from “The Sorcerer” to Ahsoka’s introduction in the forest.
Cut reference to Ahsoka returning to the village and extend the scene using music from “the story”, then transition wipe to Mando and Grogu on the Razorcrest.
Cut entire village battle plot.
Cut Mando ”you made me a promise” and replace with “I’ve been quested with returning this child to the Jedi” from chapter 11 (The Heiress).
Shorten final Ahsoka shot to avoid excessive music swell.

Chapter 14 (The Tragedy)
Transition wipe to Razorcrect shot from Chapter 7 (The Reckoning).
Dialogue of Mando saying child is special is cut due to its use earlier in the movie.
Shot of the Razorcrest approaching Tython moved to later in the scene to imply space travel and time passage.
Cut stormtrooper “you idiot” line.
Cut Mando-Fennic dialogue about owing her from last time.
Reduce blaster fire bouncing off Beskar.
Move Gideon Imperial cruiser scene forward to site between Mando leaving Corvus and arriving on Nevarro.
Added scene of Mando walking through Nevarro from Chapter 3 (The Sin) to extend Nevarro arrival scene.

Manufactured Mando-Cara Dune Scene
Opens with reversed shot of the Marshall badge flip - Cara now flips it to Mando first.
Dialogue used from Chapter 15 (The Believer) to change the scene into Cara searching for Moff Gideon’s cruiser.
Images from Chapter 15 (The Believer) rotoscoped onto scenes of Cara using her terminal so that it now shows images of Gideon’s cruiser and its location rather then the prison registry.
Scored using “Brown Eyes”

Chapter 15 (The Believer)
All scenes cut except the Scene of Mando’s message to Moff Gideon - this is used as a spacer scene between Mando leaving Nevarro and arriving to meet the Mandalorians.

Chapter 16 (The Rescue)
The Capture of Dr Persching is moved to after the recruitment of the Mandalorians. Mando now travels straight from Nevarro to recruit Bo Katan.
Hyperspace exit of Imperial shuttle and Razorcrest inserted here and followed by the Capture of Dr Pershing.
Dr Pershing capture now cuts straight to his interrogation, implying that it takes place in space rather than on the desert planet.
Recut Darktrooper scene so that they sent “release” until fully charged.
Iris out to custom end credits.

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#1424427
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The Mandalorian Episode 2: Search for the Jedi (WIP)
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Finally an update on this… the last piece of the jigsaw is complete - the Tattoine to Trask sequence.

This has been through several iterations. Firstly the whole passenger episode had to go because of timing and pacing. I was initially trying to cut Frog lady completely, but annoyingly it just didn’t quite work.
Then I tried to cut it without the Razorcrest getting damaged at all, but that didn’t work either.

So, what I’ve done is cut together a version that is light on Frog lady and where the Razor gets some damage on entry to the planet Trask due to the lading array not working, and doesn’t fall into the sea.

Here is the sequence

https://vimeo.com/538026126

I’m now rendering the full movie for a final watch and hopefully get it ready for release around May 4th!

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#1416193
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The Mandalorian Episode 2: Search for the Jedi (WIP)
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Sooo, this sequence took a while, but luckily its the last (and most difficult) link sequence. It takes the story from The Tragedy to The Rescue (The Believer has been cut).

I have changed the sequnces at the end of The Tragedy and start of The Rescue, and altered most of the dialogue between Mando and Cara on Nevarro.

https://vimeo.com/521628292

This just leaves the opening sequence to sort, and tidying up of the landing on Trask. A version for test viewing will be available soon.

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#1411997
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The Mandalorian Episode 2: Search for the Jedi (WIP)
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STF78 said:

smudger9 said:

arabian said:

smudger9 said:

Managed to finish the Trask to Corvus link. The damaged Razorcrest plot point has been removed from the movie.
https://vimeo.com/514068328

At first, I was like… but we don’t know where that person who planted it came from but then I realized it doesn’t matter. So, yeah, it’s really good. Perfectly seamless.

Yes, the insinuation being that its placed whilst Mando is on Trask, and we know the Empire has a presence there.

Here is the Corvus to Tython link. This one is pretty straightforward - just a couple of music edits and removal of the Child-Mando dialogue that I used in the Trask-Corvus link sequence.

https://vimeo.com/514863886

Nice work on the audio to remove the bickering over Grogu being trained, totally seemless. Do you have a clip of your refined MOFF Gideon reveal to Mando?

That scene is much better now, however, I’m still searching through Another Life for a Katiee Sackoff line.

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#1411923
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The Mandalorian Episode 2: Search for the Jedi (WIP)
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arabian said:

smudger9 said:

Managed to finish the Trask to Corvus link. The damaged Razorcrest plot point has been removed from the movie.
https://vimeo.com/514068328

At first, I was like… but we don’t know where that person who planted it came from but then I realized it doesn’t matter. So, yeah, it’s really good. Perfectly seamless.

Yes, the insinuation being that its placed whilst Mando is on Trask, and we know the Empire has a presence there.

Here is the Corvus to Tython link. This one is pretty straightforward - just a couple of music edits and removal of the Child-Mando dialogue that I used in the Trask-Corvus link sequence.

https://vimeo.com/514863886

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#1411191
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The Mandalorian Episode 2: Search for the Jedi (WIP)
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fredpankratz said:

smudger9 said:

Ice said:

The added “Moff Gideon” line given to Bo Katan still sounds rough. Can you pitch shift it down a few percent?

I’ve totally changed that scene now and it sounds much better. I’ll post a clip when it’s completed.

Hey! Loved your Season 1 cut, near flawless on my opinion, how’s the season 2 cut going?

95% complete. Unfortunately the last 5% include the opening crawl, opening pan shot, episode link scenes and the 2 major story alteration scenes… those take time.

What doesn’t help is being a medic with children during a pandemic lockdown… free time is scarce at the moment!

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#1411186
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The Mandalorian: A Vergence in the Force (RT 2h 27mins) (Released)
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arabian said:

smudger9 said:

I’m just running through my first cut of the season 2 edit, and the one thing that keeps nagging me is a desire to put the Tattooine episode into this fanedit. I just feel that seeing how Fennic and Boba came together is important. Not necessarily for the Mandalorian, but for the Book of Boba Fett which seems like it will run alongside the Mandalorian.

I REALLY strongly feel that the Tattooine episode should be included. Of course, I also really strongly feel that the Jawa/egg stuff should as well. It is a side quest, but so was the village episode. The point of keeping that was because we got to know Cara more and it showed why Mando trusted her, plus showed Mando considering taking off the helmet. Well, I felt that the Jawa episode did much of the same character-wise. We got to know Kuill more, and it showed why Mando trusted him, plus it showed Grogu’s skills.

I really think that a few of the scenes from that episode are really important to establish Kuill more.

As for the Tattooine episode. YES, YES, YES!

I suppose there are four ways of doing this.

  1. Cut the village scenes completely and when Mando says “looks like this planet is taken” transition wipe to the Razorcrest in space. This would keep the current 2.5 hour run time.
  2. Keep the village scenes but cut the walker battle, giving a 2.75 hour runtime.
  3. Keep all the village scenes and have a 3 hour runtime.
  4. Produce two 2-hour movies for season 1 by including the initial Nevarro trip and Jawas and ending episode 1 as Mando escapes Nevarro with the child.

I still think the Nevarro trip should be included sorta, but I really think it just needs a trimmed down version of only the first scene with Karga, and then cut to Mando in space. That way Mando (and his awesome skill-set), the mission, the fob and Karga are all introduced boom in one quick scene. And when Karga shows up in the transmission we know exactly who he is from that first scene.

And, of course, I’d still throw in the Moff’s alive scene after Mando flies off with Baby Yoda, right before he puts the grave together for Kuiil. I think it would fit beautifully there. I just think it would flow together nicely. The OOH! of the fly-off, to the jittery ooh! of the Jawas transition, and then the dun-dun-dun of the Gideon reveal which is a oh no! to the downer reminder of Kuill’s death. I think that has a good flow.

I say keep the village, but drastically cut it down. As much as I loved your edit, I did feel that the village stuff slowed the movie down (i also thought that episode was the weakest of season one). Frankly, you don’t need all of the pretty village lady stuff since nothing comes of it.* All of the reaction shots with her, all of the close moments with her, all of the attention/focus on her, cut almost all of that. There is enough with her and Grogu you can keep (like when we first meet her–that convo should be kept) that him nearly taking off his mask makes sense that it’s about Grogu, the lifestyle. And the convo with Cara and Mando easily can cut out her query about the “pretty villager lady” when the two are talking about his mask.

*For instance, Mando/Cara ask who has experience with guns. Focus on pretty villager lady raising her hand. Focus on her showing off during training. And then… during the battle, a bunch of the villagers are shooting guns. So, yeah, ALL of that could have been cut. Again, cut the PVL focus and you cut some nice precious seconds that add up to some nice precious minutes!

Oh, and, yes, cut down the walker fight big time. When I was watching it, I figured that a bunch of when Cara/Mando go off to distract the bad guys could be cut as well.

By doing that, running time-wise, you can cut a good chunk. Maybe.

If you cut all the PVL stuff, cut the walker battle stuff down, add that one opening Nevarro scene, some of the Tattooine stuff (and pretty, pretty please–the Jawa/egg/Kuill stuff), I see it easily fitting under 2.75/3 hours, I don’t see how that length would be a problem.

And, yes, I completely understand that I’m just totally hoping you’ll do this so that I don’t have to make my own edit! 😄 (The only thing I’d add other than this is putting Mayfield in, but, eh, I could live without him.)

I, of course, could be COMPLETELY wrong about the timing. If I am, and just going by your four choices above: I’d go with 4 personally. But, damn, that would be a lot more work for you. My second choice would be 1.

Unfortunately adding all that in would equate to more than an extra half hour. The only way to produce a movie of the first season is to cut a lot back and unfortunately that means omitting some cool stuff, like the Jawas, that ultimately don’t advance the plot.

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#1410000
Topic
The Mandalorian: A Vergence in the Force (RT 2h 27mins) (Released)
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I’m just running through my first cut of the season 2 edit, and the one thing that keeps nagging me is a desire to put the Tattooine episode into this fanedit. I just feel that seeing how Fennic and Boba came together is important. Not necessarily for the Mandalorian, but for the Book of Boba Fett which seems like it will run alongside the Mandalorian.

I suppose there are four ways of doing this.

  1. Cut the village scenes completely and when Mando says “looks like this planet is taken” transition wipe to the Razorcrest in space. This would keep the current 2.5 hour run time.
  2. Keep the village scenes but cut the walker battle, giving a 2.75 hour runtime.
  3. Keep all the village scenes and have a 3 hour runtime.
  4. Produce two 2-hour movies for season 1 by including the initial Nevarro trip and Jawas and ending episode 1 as Mando escapes Nevarro with the child.

What are people’s thoughts?

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#1407431
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The Mandalorian Episode 2: Search for the Jedi (WIP)
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arabian said:

smudger9 said:

The edit is starting to come together. Looking at a runtime around the 2h 25 region.

I’ll start posting some completed clips. Here’s the Tusken Raider meeting. I’ve trimmed down the speeder bike journey and cut the campfire scene.

https://vimeo.com/507569990

It looks good. Seamless. What software do you use, and how do you make the SW wipes?

Thanks

I use Final Cut Pro. The SW wipes are basic transition wipes available in all editing programs.

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#1406459
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The Mandalorian: A Vergence in the Force (RT 2h 27mins) (Released)
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Greggit said:

Finally had a chance to sit down and give this a watch. Wow! I knew this was going to be good, but not as great as this.

A few thoughts -

  1. At no point did it feel like anything was missing. Obviously I knew what had been cut out, but the seams were pretty much non-existent.

  2. I personally feel like the original introduction of Mando works a little better than just seeing him being rescued by Kuill on Arvala-7, however I see where you were going with it.

  3. In removing the Tatooine episode, you have omitted the ending scene in which Fennec is rescued by Boba Fett. Will this scene be included in your Season 2 edit, or will it just be assumed that the two have always been travelling together?

Other than those two queries, this is pretty much the best way to watch Season 1 without all of the fluff that held it back the first time round.

  1. Thankyou!

  2. The edit originally opened on Nevarro and I didn’t cut those scenes until very late on. In discussion with others here we agreed that it didn’t add a great deal and allowed the movie to be shortened by 20mins.
    The thing I like most about starting on Arvala, is that when Mando then goes to Nevarro, as the viewer you experience it from the point of view of the child.

  3. Short answer here is no. It’s very easy to cut the 2 lines from season 2 that references their past meeting. I would love to include that scene in episode 2 but there is no way of logically including it.

The longer answer is that I may go back and replace the Sorgen village with the Tatooine episode.
What I am definitely going to do is run 2 parallel projects. This project which is one movie per season at around 2.5 hours and another project that is either an extended cut of 3.5 hours or 2 movies per season clocking in at just under 2 hours.

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#1405565
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The Mandalorian Episode 2: Search for the Jedi (WIP)
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arabian said:

smudger9 said:

Frustratingly I just can’t get this Gideon survival reveal to work. Its close, but not quite there because of the jumpy audio meshing.

https://vimeo.com/503691165

Yeah, you can definitely tell that the Moff Gideon has been editing in there from other sources. I have an idea, what if you don’t have her say “Moff Gideon,” but instead, just “Gideon?” It was the higher, quicker “Moff” that really threw it off.

Already done! I’ve also modified the editing of that scene so that I can keep the frame on Bo Katan to avoid rapid cuts.

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#1405151
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The Mandalorian Episode 2: Search for the Jedi (WIP)
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SWOTFAN25 said:

smudger9 said:

Frustratingly I just can’t get this Gideon survival reveal to work. Its close, but not quite there because of the jumpy audio meshing.

https://vimeo.com/503691165

That was pretty damn seamless to me. 😂

Thanks. It’s still not as good as I wanted. Bit more tinkering I think. And having drawn a blank on TCW and Rebels for the required additional
line for Bo Katan, I might have to explore Battlestar.

I need to make sure this little scene is right because it dictates the rest of the edit.