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I went to a screening of a I.B. Technicolor print of this film yesterday and surprisingly it was actually quite close to the Blu-ray in terms of colour although it depends on the scene. The blue on the Blu-ray is definitely a tad strong and the highlights now have teal in them but the other colours and the saturation are pretty close to the print. The print was quite warm, especially the bank robbery scene which was darker and warmer on the print than on the Blu-ray, making it seem like it was ocurring in the late afternoon. The night scenes in particular look very close to the print, the daytime exteriors are quite good and the interior scenes are generally the least accurate. The DVD doesn’t look anything at all like the print I saw, it is too bright and the colours are washed out. I would have taken some photos and video but I didn’t find this thread until after the screening. I hope this information helps.

captainsolo said:

I’m almost positive this is what will show up in new BD/4K releases. Still no OOT for now but if that does happen at some point it will likely be treated as a limited exclusive in a boxset release and be a non-researched presentation that will re-open the GOUT floodgates. What would the sequel be called? DisGOUT, GOUT+, MouseGOUT…possibilities are endless.

The DOUT - Disney’s Original Unaltered Trilogy

If there is any interest I could organise a private tournament for originaltrilogy.com members only on lichess.org.

How much has been raised so far?

TylerDurden389 said:

There are 2 mono mixes of the film, and both have a different sound effect for when the door slams open.

This is the first I have heard of this. Are there more differences?

You could rip the letterboxed DVD, edit it to anamorphic in software and burn it back to a disc but aside from being a waste of time this will not help with the picture quality. You could get a similar effect by just simply zooming in on the small letterboxed image. It should be stated that Blu-Rays are not anamorphic since the images are being displayed as is i.e. there is no stretching of the image which is what anamorphic means. My advice would be to simply buy the Blu-Ray.

Overall having unit prefixes for computer storage in base 2 makes sense. A unit prefix denoting 1000 bytes is pretty useless due to the nature of the byte itself. The problem I have is the naming convention. Having a prefix that means different things in different contexts is confusing to say the least. And since every other intellectual field uses the SI definition of “Kilo”, “Mega” etc. the onus is on the computing world to resolve the issue.

_Shorty said:

You’ll note “byte” and “hertz” are different words that mean different things, too.

I don’t see your point. Hertz and metre are different too and yet the “Kilo” is still a multiple of 1000. Anyway my point is that the same prefix has a different meaning when ideally it should have the same meaning regardless of the quantity or the nature of the quantity in question.

_Shorty said:

But it always meant 1024 to us computer people when talking about computers. That’s the most important part. We’re talking about computers. Not negotiating a coke deal with Scarface.

It’s not even consistent within computing. A 1 Megahertz CPU has a clock rate of 1,000,000 cycles per second not 1,048,576.

_Shorty said:

It’s a computer. It should always involve base 2 multiples. That’s how computers work. And that’s why until a certain point in time when marketing guys stuck their noses where they didn’t belong, all we had were base 2 multiples. All storage devices were specified in base 2. Why don’t you see anyone trying to say a byte should be 10 bits instead of 8? Who the hell wants to count in eights? The fact remains that people in the computer world, you know, the ones who designed/built/programmed them, all used the prefixes with base 2 multiples until non-computer people decided sometime in the last 1990s that they wanted to use base 10 instead, for no other reason than the make their storage devices seem bigger than they were. If you buy 16 GB of memory today it is a base 2 multiple, not base 10. Why is that? Oh, that’s right. Because it’s a freakin’ computer. 😄

I’m not saying computer units should not use base 2 multiples. I’m saying they should never have used SI prefixes to describe them since to just about anyone, not just marketing people, a “kilo” anything is 1000 not 1024.

As a physics student I prefer the alternate prefixes: Kibi, Mebi, Gibi, etc. since they differentiate themselves from the clearly defined SI unit prefixes. This confusion would not have happened if nobody had ever used those prefixes to describe base 2 multiples.

yaboykevin01 said:
Assuming the 70mm 6-channel audio is lost along with the video, is there a good place to find the 16mm mono track?

There exists an in-theater recording of the audio but the quality is terrible and plus it includes audience reactions etc.
The 16mm mono mix can be found in Puggo Strikes Back.

yaboykevin01 said:

I’m sorry, I’m still a little confused. If a fan preservation audio is synced to the GOUT discs, does that mean that the audio is the same as on the GOUT bonus discs?

No it means that the audio is in sync with the video from the GOUT discs. If two different preservations are GOUT synced it means that audio from one will play in perfect sync with the other.

And Harmy’s track muxing into the Silver Screen Edition is basically just saying that the audio tracks from Harmy’s Despecialized Editions would also be accurate to use with the video from the Silver Screen Editions?

Yeah basically.

Djdanni said:

I have a film reel of the original Star Wars. My dad bought it to play for us kids in 1977. It’s in storage.

Could you tell us more about the print? For instance is the format 16mm or 35mm? In addition could you post an image of the film so we can check what the colours and soundtrack are like?

Could you upload the raw scans someplace like MEGA? I just can’t stand YouTube compression.

Wazzles said:

While we’re on the topic of ESB soundtracks, this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8MpzMUD4Gg) shows that Luke’s “You were lucky to get out of there” line heard in the 70mm and SE tracks was on-set dialogue. Just something interesting that I found out recently.

Checked through the 70mm in-theater recording and it shows that line is not present. Instead it is “It’s lucky you don’t taste very good” like in the stereo mix.

Since both mothr’s and Catnap’s projects are no longer available on the the site that used to host them, would it be alright if someone uploaded them to MySpleen? I could do it myself but I have no experience in making torrents and my upload speed is awful.

A VHS version sounds interesting… I’d like to do some comparisons with my DVD copy.

DragoonClawNZ said:

Not sure if this was even in Australia cause the cover doesn’t have any AU ratings on it, just the NZ sticker, so it may have >even been just a New Zealand release.

Probably, since VHS seems to have stuck around in New Zealand longer than it did in other countries. I remember seeing VHS cassettes on sale in places like Foodtown even as recently as 2009.

Count me in as well.

Cameron007 said:

Blackout said:

Cameron007 said:

The one that I downloaded doesn’t have the mono track. Can someone help please?

Which one did you download?

One I found on Reddit:

Does your one have a team negative 1 intro message? If so the version you have is version 1, which does not include the mono mix. If you want mono you have to download version 1.6. Also do not post direct links to projects, it is against the rules of the forum.

Fang Zei said:

There was another amusing video I remember from back then. I wouldn’t know how to track it down now a decade later, but it was some dude in his room with the GOUT discs and he mentioned the non-anamorphic transfers and then proceeded to show the dvd cases of movies from his collection that actually were anamorphic. As I remember it, these titles included Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: The Movie and Gremlins 2: The New Batch (“with Robert Picardo the doctor from Voyager” as the dude added).

This video also ended with a breaking of the GOUT discs.

Could it possibly be this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSZVxC1hNDY

TheQuazz said:

So, is the OP right?

Yes, this video explains it pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjYjFEp9Yx0
Essentially, since the scan rate of NTSC is 59.94 fields per second, there are 29.97 “frames” per second (one field is half of a frame). Film to video transfers were done using a process known as a 2:3 pull-down which separates 4 film frames amongst 10 fields (5 frames). The resulting perceived frame-rate is 23.976 fps since 4/5 = 23.976/29.97. Overall 23.976 fps is merely a consequence of video technology and nothing to do with a film cameras inability to maintain a constant 24 fps. What I am not sure about however is why keep it around even when modern equipment can shoot and project at exactly 24 fps?

Alright here is the first missing laser:

Silver Screen Edition v1

Puggo Grande

Another laser is fired after this one which is also missing in the SSE.

Williarob said:

Do you happen to have the frame numbers?

No, should I post some comparison images instead?

Williarob said:

With that in mind, are there any other major visual glitches that will require a re-encode?

I’ve spotted two missing lasers in the Tantive sequence, in the shot where the stormtroopers start filling into the corridor one stormtrooper fires two shots against the wall.