seventiesfilmnut

I think this project could really be THE project to unite all the members on this forum who wish to preserve these films. I think it woul dbe an awsome idea to somehow split the files into sections, and get individuals to work on dust removal etc depending on his/her skills. Not sure how all this could be organised, but having many PCs on the job rather than one makes sense. Perhaps if some sophisticated script could be written to check frames either side in order to remove dirt only would be cool. The more complicated stuff could be done by those in the know. We could all combine resources then.

-1 even though we have obvious differences of opinion in the other thread, I do genuinely applaud your efforts in making this happen.

Clear skies :)

- 7FN

You are fudging the issues here mate - this has NOTHING to do with not being grateful for the many releases here. I don't think anyone on this board has been ungrateful for any release.

The quality of the HD SE are indeed incredible, BUT I want to see the films I grew up with WITHOUT any digital tinkering, bad musical edits, and incredibly bad re-colour timings... I have some decent play back equipment, but even with upsampling the GOUT looks pretty bad on my projector on a 100" screen. I paid the same price for the DVD I would for any other modern release, and yet get sub-modern playback quality, labelled as THX. It's a joke!

I paid MONEY to purchase the SE DVDs, and had done the same (frather alot of money) when the original SE laserdusc first came out... in fact I got it the day it came out - what a saddo haha!

Not sure I like your rather snide comments about moaning and yet not contributing. I've contributed my fair share of (hopefully) helpful comments on this board over the years, plus my RIPs of the 1989 LD soundtrack to Star Wars and Empire are out there, in addition to some other LP rips. So you're saying nobody can complain about the CONTENT of the Lucasfilm releases UNLESS they produce what they're moaning they don't have on this board?!?

You also seem to have a bit of a 'laying down the law' attitude in your posts: As a consumer, I have every right to complain about a release if it is sub-standard, and the GOUT is most definately that. That's partly the reason this website exists no? Until Lucasarse releases a decent version of the original trilogy I think every film fan has EVERY right to complain about it.

Also remember not every fan has your money to purchase original film reels, let alone the cash to get it all transferred. This is not something WE should have to do - that should have been done by Lucasfilm.

We'll just have to agree to disagree I think - life's too short etc etc.

Out of here.

- 7FN

Negative1 - sorry to post this but I have to say I find your attitude to those that feel we deserve a high quality release of the original trilogy a tad perplexing!

YOU may be perfectly happy with the SE DVDs or the GOUT releases, but I am not, nor are those that care about quality resentations of a rather significant slice of film history!

I don't understand why you make these comments on ORIGINALtrilogy.com, AND are currently in the process of trying to transfer the actual ESB film... and yet you appear to NOT care about those that DO want a decent transfer of the originals - don't get where you are coming from mate in other words Lol! If you're perfectly happy with the GOUT then why are you bothering looking into ways of transferring an ORIGINAL print of ESB? I certainly hope - by the way - it's successful and applaud your efforts into looking into this.

It's just some of your comments directed at those who are not happy with the 2004/2006 release I find... odd.

The GOUT was NOT a high quality release, and did NOT give us what we wanted - hence this website and others similar to it. I agree it is probabky the best transfer of the original ld masters, but NOT of the 3 original films which is the whole point.

Cheers,

- 7FN

I think it would add to the drama of the shield generator being blown to have the lights dim slightly before the emergency power kicks in. Would just reinforce the fact the MAIN power generator has just bit the big one. Nothing ever works smoothly for the Rebels, in most cases they're surviving using old equipment cobbled together and kept working by the skin of their teeth. I doubt they'd be a smooth transition between main power and emergency, hence the lights dimming idea.

Hi there folks!

Watched the Empire Strikes Back GOUT last week and came up with a few suggestions which may be of interest/use. Apologies if they've been mentioned before, though I have done my best to check.

1) I was always slightly disturbed that upon Luke's crash he doesn't seem concerned with Dack (OK fair enough it may be obvious he's dead but...) and appears to just grab the grappling hook just before the walker mash! It might help this scene a tad if one of the "Daaackk!?" lines from the scene where Dack is shot is taken out, and then inserted as Luke is rummaging in the downed snow speeder, prior to jumping out the way in the nick of time. It would show Luke is double-checking if Dack is really a corpse, and add a bit of... I dunno... loyalty to one's co-pilot in this scene, rather than Luke just searching for the hook and that's all.

2) After the generator on Hoth is blown up, is it possible to make the lights dim momentarily in the corridor that Han is rushing through, to show the instant before the emergency lights kick in? Or perhaps if possible add a reddish tint to the corridor scenes to indicate emergency power?

3) After the first walker is downed, notice the walker behind it - the head swings around in an EXTREMELY fake manner. Perhaps this could be slowed down or altered in some way? I think more laser fire from these walkers would also intensify the situation a little - like the near constant barrage of laser-fire in the Genosis fight in Episode II?

4) When Luke is trudging through the snow and then turns around to see the Falcon make her escape, the timing is slightly off as he follows her path. Is this fixable?

5) The Vader in the cave scene has always been pretty spooky, but I think it could be enhanced more. After the head has been severed and rolled to a stop, a nice scarey hissing sound of breath escaping the mouth would add to the atmosphere, as would some whisps of smoke from the neck stump, and curling out of the nostrals and mouth - reckon this would really ramp up the shocking nature of this scene, in the same way Adywan did to the severed arm in the Cantina scene in ANH-R. Maybe white out his eyeballs as well or have them sith-coloured?

6) When one of the holographic images of a star destroyer captain meets his demise due to an asteroid strike, perhaps add a Wilheim scream as his image flickers out?...

7) There should be some kind of alarm noise in the background of the star destroyer scenes to indicate the high-alert/danger status of something that big flying through an asteroid field!!!

8) Backing up a tad, in the "doors must be closed" scene, you can see the doors closing behind Chewie just before they are meant to close! They then start again in the close up!!! Can these be 'frozen' somehow in this scene to correct continuity?

Hope some of this helps Adywan - cannae wait to see this edit :)

Cheers,

- 7FN

I realise, and am sympathetic to the fact, that Lasermans health is waaaayyyyyyyyyyy more important than any preservation project (lets keep things in perspective here), and I sincerely hope that he is recovering. However ALOT of people made gracious donations to this restoration project - it would be 'the done thing' if we had some kind of official word on the status of this project? Surely if a member of the team is ill/drops out then you find other ways for the project to advance, or say sorry people but this project is no longer going ahead......?

Surely it wouldn't take much trouble to update the X0 website for those still interested in the status of this project?

Cheers,

- 7FN

Looks like Adywan's work is starting to attract media interest :

Also, our friend Mojo, who works on special effects for Battlestar Galactica, has written a non-spoilery review of the new CG Star Wars: The Clone Wars film on his blog. It's worth checking out if you're interested. As for me, I have less than zero interest left in the franchise... though I'll confess, I have recently had a bit of fun with a little something called Star Wars: Revisited (the "purist" version, of course), which reminded me for a time why I liked the original film so much. My thanks, Adywan. Look it up, kids"

From www.thedigitalbits.com.

Well done Adywan!!!!!!! :)

I've just been listening to this (MANY thanks Chainsawash!) today and this has to be my favourite mix of Star Wars by far. Prior to receiving this my favourite was the 1985 LD remix from my 'incredible shrinking aspect ratio' release. The mono mix is the one I grew up with after first seeing it on ITV here in the UK back in 1980. Never did get used to the 'newer' Aunt Beru voice in all officially released versions after.

Belbecus you have done a man's job, Sir! (to quote another fav. film of mine). Thank you so much. The quality is also far better than I was expecting - never thought I'd hear the mono mix again, let alone with this level of fidelity. Everyone needs this!!!

Thanks again,

- 7FN.

...bare in mind that they recorded the '97 LFE too 'hot' - noticed this when I saw it in the cinema, and then again when I had the SE laserdisc set (yes I RAN out and bought it back then I'm ashamed to say!). In particular listen to the force rumble in the Death Star meeting scene - it distorts several times very badly...

At least that was something they actually managed to fix for the 2004 DVD release - lol

- 7FN

Just seen these on Ebay - may be of interest to someone here?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/STAR-WARS-RETURN-JEDI-EMPIRE-LOT-LASERDISC-LD-JAPAN_W0QQitemZ360077018118QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item360077018118&_trkparms=72%3A984%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1318

and

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RCA-CED-LD-player-35-movies-Star-wars-trek-Laserdisc_W0QQitemZ260271405705QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item260271405705&_trkparms=72%3A984%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1318

Cheers,

- 7FN

p.s. NO I am not the seller Lol!

This looks like a really interesting project - hope it comes to fruition. I'd love to see the comics from '77 to '83 in particular. Had some of them here in the UK but would be great to have the whole shebang. Still have some UK versions in the loft... probably covered in pigeon poodoo by now haha!

You may be interested in this for possible ideas on how to proceed:

http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/05/trekink-first-look-at-star-trek-the-complete-comic-book-collection-dvd/

Star Trek in a Star Wars thread?!? Sacrilege - I know I know ;)

- 7FN

Some good points - and I can see where you are coming from, to an extent - but we'll have to agree to disagree on this.

My point is that Ridley obviously CARES about those that love film. He's done his homework. YOU may not want all the versions in Hi Def, and good for you. The biggie here is that you CAN just hire out th ebox set of either the Hi Def versions, OR the normal DVD versions. And each version (apart from the workprint) has stunning picture quality. OK so there may not be the two versions you mention, but there's a HECK of alot here that is! Isn't 5 versions enough?!? Haha!

Watching on a 32" screen the GOUT probably is acceptable, but on my 100" projector it looks pants-cubed!!! Lol!

I hate the half-completed special editions with a passion. Adywans cut really showed what they could and should have been if they really cared. Or if George cared...

However it's the originals I want in a nice pristine quality transfer like ANY number of other original classic films out there. That's why I joined this site :)

You're happy and that's great - I'm happy for you. But I'm still waiting for what I really want...

Cheers,

- John

How about using the original title crawl from the Empire of Dreams documentary DVD? I think this is better quality than the GOUT, and it's already anamorphic? Might give you what you need?

- 7FN

Just stumbled upon this page and am VERY pumped about this project. I rather get the impression that the X0 project is probably dead in the water now alas (and I certainly hope that laserman is doing OK, which is the most important thing) and this looks like THE most exciting prospect of getting the original version in a high quality format - Luca$ be damned!

Glad also that my rip of the 85 remix laserdisc may come in useful as well :) Would be awsomeness-cubed to have all the soundtracks on one disc.

... off to have a cold shower ;) Lol

- 7FN

Funny I was thinking exactly the same thing the other day when watching The Final Cut on blu-ray (imported it into UK from Amazon.com). This has to be one of the best box sets ever in terms of features and sheer quality. And four different cuts of Blade Runner as well all in HD. Ridley obviously has his finger on the pulse, unlike Luca$! He also seems excited by the enthusiasm for his films as well with different introductions to each cut of the film, and yet another audio commentary. My projector only accepts the 560p HD but even at this resolution the final cut looks simply stunning - better than I remember it ever looking.

It's ironic... back in the early 90s Lucasfilm could do no wrong in terms of releases, and where way ahead of the pack - back then the THX Star Wars Laserdiscs got rave reviews everywhere, especially the collectors edition released in 1993 (I think). This was when Lucas still seemed to care about the quality of his original cuts. That plus the release of the superb Anthology soundtrack boxed set... ahhhh those where the days! What went wrong....

If Star Wars was released like this I think everyone would be happy, and George would be even richer - everyone wins! I much prefer the original cuts of the films (though Adywan's version of A New Hope is my preferred version at present), but after seeing the 12GB HD versions of the Original trilogy recently it's impossible to go back to the GOUT versions now.

"all the OOT versions are still out there on laserdisc, and the new versions are on dvd......

and you think they should be re-released again?"

- I don't quite understand where you are coming with this statement Negative 1. Aren't you planning to transfer an original 35mm print of Empire?!? Surely this means you want the original in better quality than is currently the case? Perhaps I'm missing your point - lol!

- 7FN