Oh yeah I saw that a few days ago it was excellent (it's the Brick Vader one right?). Vader's interaction with Tarkin had me choking.
Also there's a Star Wars MacGyver intro mash-up going around. Funny stuff too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C54yPPiQMfw
When they are "filming" a movie for 2 1/2 years most of it on green screen scheduling conflicts or being busy isn't too much of an excuse. A lack of a desire to be involved is very valid.
And yes I did hear about Neeson's motorcycle accident when it occured (he could have died, it was quite serious) though from what I recall it didn't interfer with any currently in production projects of his.
A.
edit: thanks for creating the poll vote_for_palpatine.
Damn you ;)
*edit*
If I knew how to create a poll Mielr I would.
My vote is "Yea".
Sorry C3PX I didn't make it more than a few posts before I replied.
Great minds and all that....
Damn it. I hate it when board members go off their meds.
You have reached a new level of nitpicking and prequel bashing that didn't exist prior to your original post, congratulations!
Obi Wan in the prequels has a mole on his forehead where Alec Guinness' Kenobi does not. Zomg Conspiracy. The original Kenobi must has died on Tatooine post episode 3 and some older dude (that would explain the age discrepancy) must have taken his identity. Maybe some evil jedi who planned o lure Luke to the dark side through lying to him about his father!
You know what now I think about it, Vito Corleone in Godfather II looks nothing like Vito Corleone in the original, what's up with that?
You don't like the prequels, I don't care for them much either, but you seem to talk about them incessantly. Just ignore them and life will be a lot easier and you won't need to post this kind of rubbish.
Yeah I agree with Silverwook on that point.
I see it as the shield generator (landing platform and the rest since we didn't really see too much) being engulfed in a huge fireball, not so much the back entrance. Who's to say how far apart they really are?
Good post.
I'm sorry I don't want to anger you but I don't really have much more else to say. It was a real interesting read and I'm glad you spent the time typing it.
If the Anakin/ Emperor story was something like that it would have been phenomenal and spanned all three movies. But I feel I've spent enough of my life on the should have, would have, could have of the Star Wars prequels.
Your comments about the ending of ROTJ lead me to believe you didn't grow up with the the original version, possibly the special edition was your first exposure to the film - forgive me if I'm wrong. That would be the only reason upon seeing the "Yub Nub" ending you thought "that's it?"
For the rest of us who grew up with the original film it was simply the only ending of the film and the way I see it it was a product of its time. To me it would be like removing or replacing The Power of Love from Back to the Future because the song is dated and Hewy Lewis and the News are so not cool anymore.
Sure Yub Nub is 'kiddy' but uh that's the Ewoks. If one didn't realise that an hour into the movie the ending isn't going to save it.
Personally I like Yub Nub because I think it's funny (I'm laughing with it not at it) and it's so ridiculously upbeat how can you not like it.
Fucking LOL.
As soon as I saw the topic I laughed hard knowing what day it was. That's the fun of being nearly a day ahead of a lot of the rest of the world. I get one day of April Fools jokes in the real world then I'm prepared for the next day on the internet.
It made me laugh because Hayden to me seems rather meek and good natured but you never know they say it's always the quiet ones.
Even though he may not be the most talented actor I've never hated the guy or even made fun of him as much as other do, he seems like a genuinely nice guy. It's not like he wanted to be pasted into ROTJ or even knew about it.
That is until a few months ago I watched one of Kevin Smith's "Evening With" dvds. If you don't know basically they're a recording of one of the many Q and A's Smith does, basically him rambling on about life, his work, whatever people want him to talk about for a good 4 - 5 hours. Anyway, in one of them Smith tells a story about Hayden Christensen.
I'll paraphrase the story and I'm sure I'll get a few unimportant facts wrong. According to Smith just after the release of Clerks II (a Kevin Smith film in which in a scene two characters have an argument about which is the the better trilogy - Lord of the Rings or the OT, the guy supporting LOTR calls Hayden Mannequin Skywalker) Smith got a call from someone at Skywalker Ranch / Lucasfilm (Smith has connections there as he does all his sound editing on his movies at Skywalker Sound and got married on the Ranch back in the day) saying that Hayden called up George and/or a person in a position of power livid that Clerks II was making fun of him and suggested that Lucasfilm should sue Kevin Smith and/or The Weinstein Company/Miramax. Apparently the response was "ah no Hayden we are not going to do that"
Smith went on to say that it's parody, it's no big deal and by what he wrote he was supporting Star Wars over LOTR and it was the moronic fanboy character calling him Mannequin. He further went on to say he's Darth Vader stop being such a pussy and added the "NNOOOoooooo!!!
I'm sorry I'm not doing it justice but it's a really funny story and worth a watch.
I assume Hayden was sick of all the fanboy hate that has been aimed at him and finally snapped but still what a douche bag move.
AxiaEuxine said:64. Star Wars Legos
I'm assuming that that is the same as Star War Lego, in that case strike that one off as I already said it.
I'm also assuming you are American, because Lego is singular apart from the U.S where everyone seems to think it's a plural.
Not trying to pick on you just a pet hate of mine.
He he I was just kidding around C3PX
28) The "Super" series for the SNES. Super SW / TESB / ROTJ.
20) Lego Star Wars - The Original Trilogy.
Way to be so broad C3PX. I was going to list each individual SW video game that I liked but you put the kibosh on that, how else will we reach 100 ;)
If there's ones we don't agree can we subtract them eg ROTJ ending :)
21) Ewan McGregor. The character may not have been perfect but the casting was.
22) Liam Neeson. Totally superfluous character but man was he a ray of sunshine.
23) I might as well add Star Wars Lego (I'm assuming point 8 referred to the Kenner/Hasbro lines).
+1 on the GOUT. It may be no where near what we wanted or what the original films deserve but to me it's better then nothing for now.
I will agree that Tatooine is "under" the Empire as it exists in the galaxy they rule the same as Alderaan is, though I see that and being in control of a planet as seperate things.
I'll correct myself on saying "far from the reach of the Empire" that's obviously not the case, but too far for them to give a crap about. But who cares right it's just my interpretation.
Maybe the citizens of Mos Eisley should have been celebrating the death of Jabba as he probably extorted the shit out of them. Either way this conversation is getting way to nerdy for my tastes.
Don't be apologetic if you're new you won't know what it stands for. It's a valid question one that many before you have asked.
GOUT - George's Original Unaltered Trilogy, used to distinguish the official 2006 DVD releases from the former fan preservations.
As found in Moth3r's acronym buster
We saw in ANH that the imperials had plenty of authority on Tatooine. They acted like they owned the place. The imperial reach certainly extended there (and to space nearby -as in the Tantive IV battle). I think Lucas was thinking of them as being under the empire when he did the SE.
It's the SE I'm arguing against. The Empire didn't have "plenty of authority" there. They had to have informants there for local intelligence. They were some sort of foreign detachment (I'm not good with military type language) they came from the star destroyer and they certainly didn't have any troops already based there.
They had lots of fire power and the fear of the Empire backing them, no one was going to fuck with them. Acting like owning the place and actually owning the place are two different things.
So I don't really see how things changed come ROTJ.
I presume Han was told Luke left because he felt he was jeopardising their mission.
That is Vader knew Luke was there, if Luke stayed Vader could find the location of the Rebels, by Luke leaving and turning himself in he could divert Vader's attention away.
I guess it's one thing that a squadron of Stormtroopers think that a small band of Rebels may be somewhere on moon covered in Forest but it's another if you've got Vader obsessively tracking your asses.
That's the way I see it and I guess it works.
You know they added ropes around Han's feet in '97? *rolls eyes* It was a pretty silly situation in '83 but I guess they didn't have this 'rope' technology back then.
And as for the celebration scenes there has been discussion on the sudden uprising of the citizens on Coruscant and the significant population of Cloud City (didn't they flee?) which was also under control of the Empire (there wouldn't be much celebration if that was the case) but what about Tatooine?
Again it's been discussed that the planet is under control of the Hutts far from the reach of the Empire, why do they care? My problem is if I lived on a desert planet with two freakin' suns why would I be out partying in the middle of the street?
I liked when Mos Eisley was an under-populated backwater town reminiscent of a Sergio Leone western.
That's cool I get your point about not being able to watch them due to the frustrations associated the lack of a proper restoration.
It's really in the eye of the beholder but I own a 48" HDTV and while I admit they're less than spectacular and don't watch them often, I can still enjoy watching the GOUT. That said I'd find in near impossible if the kind soul on these very boards didn't create a tutorial on how to convert them to anamorphic.
But this is only page 2 so I do not wish to derail this topic any further.
Ok could you please stop with with the /film reposts? That's four now by my count.
For those that don't know what I'm talking about and think I'm a crazy old man telling kids to get off my lawn /film or slash film is an excellent movie blog. Dangerous Incorporated has been copying blog entries made there and posting them here verbatim.
Examples one, two, three and four.
In the 'The Force action figure' thread I called him out on it but got no reply. I'm asking if you are Peter Sciretta? Because if you are not you're just plagiarising the guys good work and being really annoying in doing so.
Slightly off topic but still on the point of ROTJ - Is the GOUT transfer the best of the trilogy?
From a non-technical perspective I find that out of the three I can watch it with the most ease. In saying that I can watch all of them but to me Jedi has the least issues.
CO, do you own the GOUT?
Oh sure thaty's fine. But I was just comparing SW sequels. Because personally I see it a bit as apples and oranges.
SW being the first has the 'burden' of having to set up the world (or in this case universe) that the film is set in, so it can be excused a bit for being slow going. I've never had that problem as the opening scene should be enthralling enough for you, then the Jawas holy crap. I was both terrified and enthralled by them as a child. Oh did I mention the talking robots!
ESB being a sequel certainly didn't have that problem, we were familiar with the universe it was set in, knew who Luke, Han and Leia were and why Vader/Empire were looking for them it took full advantage of that wasting no time to put them in peril. One of the reasons why it's a freaking great film (and sequel).
I still think it's pretty lame the beginning of Jedi was set on Tatooine. Jabba could of been from any planet but as discuused a little while ago in another thread the end of ESB ruined that ;)
edit: Great topic by the way. It's got us talking about films we love* not bitching about ones we don't^. It's got some old school posters in here mixed with some new. The last topic like this that comes to mind was the one previously mentioned on the Han recue attempt even though I saw through all that nonsense ;).
*Some don't
^A generalisation. Not speaking about everyone.
I just knew when I opened the topic that the Palace rescue plan would be bought up, it didn't take long at all ;) I'll mention a couple of things and tell me if they aren't "moments"
- Luke throwing down his lightsaber in defiance to the Emperor " I am a Jedi" blah blah you know the rest....
- Vaders funeral pyre (close to the binary sunset in my opinion)
Yeah yeah yeah they both take place in the finale, so what?
Sluggo bought up ROTJ being slow but one could argue the ESB especially for children is slow. Admittedly after a stellar opening all you get before the final duel is a chase in the asteroids. Now this is not a criticism (it's the 'slow' moments that allow for meaning and character) it's extremely dumbing it down but as a kid maintenance and repairs on the Falcon hardly got me excited.
The only dull part for me is between the end of the speeder bike chase and the beginning of the infiltration of the bunker. The ewok battle can be bland but the fact that it alternates between the space battle and the throne room, although a little schizophrenic, more than passes the time.
The ROTJ space battle is pretty epic but loses points for unoriginality. Yet I think that is more than made up for by the Speeder Bike chase and Rancor. Even if you dislike the whole Jabba sequence you got to love the Rancor, right?.
Luke's arrival at Jabba's Palace shrouded in mystery was badass wasn't it and you can't deny that when Luke's new lightsaber shoots out of R2 freaking D2 it doesn't get the blood pumping?
CO brought up the focus on Vader in ROTJ and having to sympathise with what is essentially the villain. I never sympathised with Vader or felt sorry for him, if that's the intent of the film so be it, I see it more as empathising with Luke.
Imagine Luke's torment as he finds out his father who he believed was a hero turns out to be the galaxy's biggest evil. He so longs for a father figure he never had. He clutched at Obi Wan if only briefly, it would be mighty tempting to side with Vader if only for that validation when all else you've stood for has been for good. This is only possible because of Vader, it's not about him as I see it.
ROTJ is Luke's plight, Vader gets Luke where he needs to be, he's a living (or not so much) example of the wrong choices for Luke to make. Luke's belief in good as exemplified by his belief in the good in Vader is what makes him the hero (and Jedi) that he is. It's what saved him more importantly metaphorically from the Emperor even if it was what saved him also literally.
Which brings me to another point. ROTJ is with out a doubt Luke's movie. As Luke was my hero as a kid it's probably the reason why I love ROTJ so much. To make a generalisation I guess you could say that if you are a Han devotee you favor ESB and if Luke is your hero as he was mine you love ROTJ. Not to make this a ESB vs ROTJ debate; ESB is the superior film.
But I guess that's where ROTJ loses further points, the fact that Han and Leia are pushed to the side although ROTJ does further solidify Lando's badassness.
While I would agree that out of the 3 films ROTJ is (relatively speaking) the worst, I would argue that it does have plenty of moments and I've saved my ace for last, a moment that can not be argued with and trumps all others - "IT'S A TRAP!"
And....
Yub Nub for life!
edit: while I was taking my sweet time making this post Mielr beat me to it in rgards to certain points.
Someone reading /film much?
That's two posts now, are you Peter Sciretta?