Hey guys.
The time is way past for making suggestions.
Ronster is only one person. And I don’t think he’s suggesting anything.
Actually they changed it so Luke confirmed “there it is… Dagobah” but it was originally meant to be a secret planet.
Could still be a hidden planet. Obi-Wan told him where it was and what it’s called.
I understand the anxiety over downloading these things, but I don’t understand how having it in your ebay purchase history is any better…
This is what I don’t understand.
“I’m nervous about the legality of downloading fanedits via the methods the community has given me, so I’ll do something even more risky and damaging to said community.” Weird.
The upcoming Electric Six album is titled How Dare You, so,
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I’m good with just ignoring the Prequels. There are only 5 Star Wars movies right now, can’t wait for the 6th!
You know, Disney made some Star Wars movies as well. I’d even say they were better than the Ewok movies.
I forgot about the Ewok Movies, so there are 7 Star Wars movies.
8 Star Wars movies with SWHS.
That’s a TV special, not a movie.
I just paid an amount of money I’d rather not disclose for the Despecialized Edition on eBay. This version, to my credit, came with pressed discs including menus and packaging things I don’t know if I could make myself. It also comes with From Star Wars to Jedi. Now if only I could find someone trying to hock the Apocalypse Now workprint.
You did it wrong. Very wrong.
Way to go.
Somehow this has become another 4K restoration on Star Wars thread.
As if we needed that.
The intended thread topic is stupid and bringing the conversation back to the mission of this website isn’t the worst thing that could happen.
I didn’t even know this was getting a 3D conversion or theatrical run.
Neat.
I think that the whole Tatooine sequence could be re-edited to seem a little less… convoluted?
My ideal sequence would be:
R2 goes to palace ALONE (3po provides only fan service, because he’s gone use more subtitles)
I disagree. 3PO is a translator and is doing his job in Jabba’s palace. It’s Endor where he’s only there because he’s part of the cast.
Every time John Landis is brought up in this, it makes me laugh.
"But John Landis said! And he couldn’t possibly have some info wrong or have been misled! I mean, it’s JOHN freakin’ LANDIS we’re talking about here!"
I don’t mean to sound mean, but ALLOL!This.
Well, except for the part where you didn’t want to sound mean.
You sassy bitch. 😉
Seems like I never see Warbler posting anywhere but Politics.
That’s a bummer.
^ damn. First I’m hearing of this. He made a big handful of movies that I love.
The original Texas Chainsaw Massacre is a beautiful masterpiece. As known as it is (mostly from reputation instead of actual views), it’s criminally underrated. The direction is perfect and the cinematography is, again, beautiful.
Every time John Landis is brought up in this, it makes me laugh.
"But John Landis said! And he couldn’t possibly have some info wrong or have been misled! I mean, it’s JOHN freakin’ LANDIS we’re talking about here!"
I don’t mean to sound mean, but ALLOL!
At that rate, we’re not gonna have a hole lotta donuts by 1975.
WYSHS
No.
No.
Yes
This.
OMG DISNEY STAR WARS DISNEY STAR WARS
Ha! 😄
(it was not depressing. Had the place to myself, plenty of beer and good music)
can only telya rgat jerry is one of em. a real one of em
That’s a fact!
Just as summary for ROTJ. Someone will like it, some other will don’t. These are my ideas for ROTJ, maybe Adywan like or feel inspirated:
- In Jabbas palast where we see the first time Landos face behind the mask: This scene is too long. Only a short view on the face is enough. Its senseless to enter undercover the palast and show the face for many seconds.-
Yeah, he doesn’t need to lower his mask at all.
- The emperor said that Lukes saber looks like Anakins … but it looks like Obi-Wans.
The Emperor is just goading Luke.
- Vader to Luke: Obi-Wan thought as you … Padme thought as Luke
Obi-Wan thought Anikin could be turned from the darkside, just as Luke does. Nothing to do with whatshername.
- At the end, when Luke looks to the Jedi ghosts, in the original version he did a small wink with his eyes. Thats very individual, I like this … but its missing in the SE.
Yeah that needs to be restored.
- The Jedi ghosts … I don’t like Hayden Christensen as Anakin in ROTJ too. But please give Sebastian Shaw the clothes from the Hayden Christensen Anakin from ATOC/ROTS.
Nah. Or meh. Guess I’m not bothered by that as long as Sebastian Shaw is back. He is the only Anikin to me.
wow i forgot how good the remaster of Morrissey’s Southpaw Grammar album sounds!
most of his fans hate that record. fucking idiots.
Having Luke do it (force choke) does foreshadow his darkside potential as does Leia choking Jabba but it’s just seems too dark for a Jedi move.
Seems too dark for a Jedi move because it’s foreshadowing his potential fall to the dark side.
Didn’t you just say that? 😉Yeah but how does he learn to do it? Is it an instinctive thing? Because it hardly feels like something Yoda would teach him.
If he can grip his saber and pull it outta the snow…
If he can lift rocks n R2…
I think he could figure out other things to do with that ability.
JEDIT oh damn that’s naughty!
If you have to ask…
…then ya get em?
I’m sorry. that’s fucked.
And here we are. Alone and drunk tonight. Sounds depressing.
Pathetic.
Who are you talking to and what are you talking about?
Yellow Magic Orchestra is absolutely amazing and I don’t know how they’ve eluded me until today.
I really hate when people say “To Be Honest…”. It’s such a waste of time and words and, to me, it always makes the speaker sound foolish.
And I won’t get started on the acronym “TBH” and how it’s used incorrectly almost 100% of the times it’s used.
New interview with the designer behind these:
StarWars.com: Let’s start with the Dreadnought. Can you tell me about coming up with the design and how closely you were working with Rian Johnson to bring it to life?
Kevin Jenkins: All of my work was with Rian. Direct with Rian. The Dreadnought didn’t actually come to life until we got into post [production]. We had made some passes that were similar that Rian had approved that were on set, but it kind of turned into the final version that we are seeing now when we were in the post process, and we were going into full model-build stage. Basically, it evolved from story reasons because Rian needed a new battleship in the script called the Dreadnought. Essentially, it needed to be a ground-firing gun platform, and the other limitations that Rian put on me was he needed and required a flat surface with gun turrets on it. So basically, it’s an armored gunboat, an armored gun platform. It’s sort of a heavy artillery that’s much bigger than a standard Star Destroyer, about two-and-a-half times the size of a standard Star Destroyer. That was the original brief to me.
StarWars.com: As you were developing it, what were you looking at for inspiration? Were you looking at real-world craft or were you going back to the original trilogy and building off what came before? How did you approach it?
Kevin Jenkins: Combination of the original trilogy stuff, in the sense that I designed everything in Episode VIII as if it was to be a model. World War II and the Korean War and that era was a heavy influence in all the design, going into the ‘60s. But also using the mentality that Rian and I talked about a lot, which was an iteration-type idea. War makes you adaptive. So you start off with one vehicle, tank, gun, ship, and it evolves through combat into something else. The gun platform, of course being a larger Star Destroyer gun platform, we initially started with a giant triangle, which was the shape of a Star Destroyer. But then flattening off the top became a big design requirement. Quite late in the design phase, the under side of it was also sloped like a traditional Star Destroyer, because they are kind of a trapezoid shape if you look at them in a cross-section.
We had all sorts of design ideas and things, but when seeing an early cut with Rian, I just remember straight afterwards we talked to each other and went, “We need guns.” We tried radars because, obviously, you look at Return of the Jedi and there were radar dishes. There’s one on the Death Star. So it was also part of that retro, Flash Gordon-esque sci-fi thing, and we went down that path for a while, but then the cut just went, “Nah. Big guns. It just needs big guns.”
StarWars.com: You can never go wrong with big guns.
Kevin Jenkins: Yeah, exactly. I spent a lot of time looking at real-world references. Looking at the big battleships, the Yamato and all those kinds of things from World War II, and the way those guns would lower or rise. So the idea of them coming out the bottom of the Dreadnought became a design feature, because rather than just being there pointing down, we wanted to imply the danger that they sort of unlocked themselves and then moved into position. Just like the big 14-inch guns you used to see on those old battleships. It was a capitol ship. That was what we were kind of going for.
StarWars.com: Let’s jump over to the AT-M6. Walkers are a huge part of Star Wars and a fan-favorite thing. We see them in the original trilogy, the prequels, the animated series. So in coming up with a new kind of walker here for the sequel trilogy, what did you want to accomplish and what direction was Rian giving you?
Kevin Jenkins: Well, there were a few ideas that were kicking around before we came up with this idea. Funny, just before I took a vacation, sort of half way through preproduction, I talked to Rian about “what is a walker.” We went through this whole discussion about iteration. Iteration, to me, makes more sense than random walker design. So we talked about the way a Sherman tank in World War II evolved into an Abrams tank, for various reasons, or a Chieftain tank, or a Challenger, or whatever you want to say. And so we were trying to think about what made sense for a walker and I just said, “Look, a walker, to me, it’s essentially a Panzer tank mixed with a dog.” One of the questions that tied us up a lot is the fact that they’d been taken down by snowspeeders in The Empire Strikes Back, and it felt like everyone else is trying to avoid the problem of a four-legged version of a walker because they had been defeated on Hoth. So I sort of took that on board and I suggested to Rian, “Well, instead of a dog, what about a gorilla?” I can’t remember why I said a gorilla, but I just said, “They have a great stance, they are very aggressive,” and that’s how the idea of the gorilla came. And literally in profile, I molded it over an actual photo of a gorilla to get the initial base pose.
The front legs are very heavily armored, and you can see can almost up to the forearm. And again, that’s my take on, “You can’t take these down with a snowspeeder.” They’ve armored up the front or maybe they just cut the ropes because they are too big now. Also, the way they are balanced now is like a gorilla, because their knuckles are turned backwards and they’ve got very high shoulders. They are a completely different poise. Maybe they could even sort of kneel down or something. So I just took that gorilla design iteration, with the very high back, and just went to town with it. Actually, I didn’t do many conceptual designs or even images for it. Funny enough, I literally just took my laptop on holiday and I modeled it by the beach over two weeks and brought it back to Rian. Did the only two or three pictures that were done for it, and then showed those to Rian, who was really happy with it, and then I just made the physical models. Because the other thing I was doing on this show, compared to Episode VII with a lot of the vehicles that I was doing, I actually got Rian to approve them as physical prototypes. I would 3D print them from my 3D files, and then I would sort of scratch-build them. They are fully-painted. Rian has a fully-painted gorilla walker I’ve made for him. That was done for a number of the vehicles on Episode VIII.
StarWars.com: I’m glad to hear that they finally figured out how to defend against tow cables.
Kevin Jenkins: Well, it was more of a thought process of trying to base the design not upon something random but to move it forward. That’s also the reason for adding the large guns on there. It’s become the heavy assault walker. Also, I really love the idea of going, “What if the old walkers become the scouts for these walkers?” Because these are literally about a third or twice the size of them. So in the artwork, in the designs I initially did, I always put not scout walkers, but the actual classic walkers next to them, which sort of showed off their size. I think I called them goliaths for a while or something, but that’s how they got to where they were.
StarWars.com: That’s interesting. It sounds like you had the idea of, “Let’s have this really make sense from a design perspective.” But how did you hit the balance between, “We have to make something that the audience is going to respond to visually and like,” versus “Let’s have it make sense in-universe and have it move the technology of walkers forward.”
Kevin Jenkins: Yeah, I mean, I think the way I approached the design was purely from the design-that-makes-sense approach, and I heavily wanted to mix it with the feeling of a gorilla, and you can see tons of that in there when you look at it from the side. But then, really, the final aesthetic came from something we were doing on Episode VII — this is why I made a physical model. If it feels like a model and I felt like it probably could have been in the original trilogy, then I’d be happy with it. I kind of did that bit for me. That was why Rian liked some of the physical models that I was making so much, because it made us realize that, “You know, if this could have been around 1983 and if it feels good, then we’re fine.” That was pretty much the internal checkbox that I took forward with that.
StarWars.com: With these two designs, the Dreadnought and the AT-M6, what are you particularly proud of?
Kevin Jenkins: I’m very proud of the gorilla [walker] from the point of view of exactly what I said, that I feel that it’s an iteration forward. A spitfire and a modern jet, you can see the link there. They’re part of the same thing. That was always my intention with the gorilla. It’s not a start from scratch. This is the aesthetic, this is the way that the First Order, who was the Empire, work. So that, I’m really happy with. When I found the final model balance, I kind of thought, “I don’t think I can move this around anymore. I think this is it.” Rian saw it and his eyes lit up, and he just went, “There’s our walker.” That was really cool.
But then on the other hand, the same kind of goes with the Dreadnought, and that evolved a lot harder and over a lot longer period of time than the walker, which was pretty much kind of stab one, almost. With the Dreadnought, I feel that we are making sense of First Order technology and trying to tie it together, rather than just doing cool ships. It’s hopefully cool because of what it does and its design makes sense for the story, and then hopefully future generations will think it’s cool because of what it ends up doing in the movie. But again, trying to move the design forward. That’s why it has that super-wide bridge. When it’s lit, it’s like a submarine because everything goes red when it’s going to fire.
So I don’t know, I’m pretty happy with them, to be honest with you. But for different reasons, because when the Dreadnought was [requested], “Oh, we need another ship,” I thought it was just a flippant, “Oh, we just need another thing,” and it turned into a whole sequence around what it needed to be. And the walkers for different reasons, because that 10-year-old kid in me, when I saw The Empire Strikes Back, thought that that was the coolest thing I had ever seen. And it’s very hard to live up to anything that Ralph [McQuarrie] did, but if we captured a little bit of that feeling of what was done in the ‘70s and ‘80s, then hopefully we succeeded.
While I appreciate the appearent thoughtfulness behind the designs and the desire to make them logical evolutions of previous vehicles, the end results simply seem uninspired. And, honestly, I don’t really see the logic in the AT-M6’s design – how does having bulkier front legs make this any more resistant to cables?
I agree. He went on in the interview about how much thought went into these “evolutions” and then just goes “Well, it’s bigger and got bigger guns on it!”. Lame.
The gorilla walker looks hilariously stupid and the big stardestroyer looks like bad '90’s EU.