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#264076
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Originally posted by: The Starkiller
What I find increasingly frustrating about these claims is that the person making the claim will never admit even the possibility of being wrong. Therefore, trying to reason with them becomes pointless. They only seek validation, not the truth.

70mm prints were different from 35mm prints. I thought this was common knowledge by now. But the differences were relatively minor, nothing like what has been described in this thread. There were some different wipes, a different shot/cut in the bacta scene, the establishing shot of the rebel fleet at the end, the holographic Emperor doesn't fade in, and some other things that I forget. The list can be found in the Film Score Monthly magazine that is being discussed. 70mm versions had a completely different sound mix as well, which mostly appears in the Special Edition. Many of the sound mix differences are also heard in the 1980 "Adventures of Luke Skywalker: Star Wars/The Empire Strikes Back" album.

I saw TESB exclusively in 70mm during its original theatrical run. It contained none of the grandiose claims in this thread. I didn't even see the 35mm version until it came out on home video.

The truth is memories are often deceptive. To this day, I have a memory of seeing an AT-ST step on an Ewok in ROTJ. Does that mean it happened? No, and I can admit that my memory is wrong.

Originally posted by: Laserman
So it was either in an early version, or was in a trailer or something somewhere, but I still haven't found it, or even another mention of it *anywhere*.

Laserman, the "So's life" dialog exchange between Han and Luke is in the novelization. That doesn't necessarily have to mean that you read the novel; however, you could have been influenced by someone who had, perhaps unintentionally or unknowingly.


It's because I don't believe I'm wrong. If I did why would I bother trying to find a copy? I did present the possiblity that I'm nuts & maybe that movie melted my brain. I don't seek validation, just the copy of the bootleg of the cut of the film I believe I saw. Validation is overrated. Marc has audio tapes of the 1980 run in Seattle. I wonder if anybody else will come forward with something really good?

No doubt a tall order, but I'm hopeful.

Nope, wasn't the power of suggestion that caused my claim. The power of suggestion might get me to give up hope.

http://www.starwars.com/episode-v/bts/article/img/20060830_1_bg.jpg

I wonder if any other advance screenings?

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#264036
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Originally posted by: zombie84
Originally posted by: marcmartin
And while i am 100% convinced that the cut described in the original post does not exist nor ever did/q]

Note that the Wikipedia entry for "Changes made from the 70mm version of ESB" lists a LOT
of changes from the 70mm version. One of them listed there that I recall seeing on a bootleg
was the part where 3PO had an extra line in the asteroids, saying "there's no where to go":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_changes_in_Star_Wars_re-releases#The_Empire_Strikes_Back

Marc


Yes, these are all consistent with what we know. Mainly audio changes, most of which appeared in the SE, as well as a few differences in wipes/dissolves versus cuts, a few less-refined FX shots, and a single missing shot of Han and Leia observing Luke in the bacta tank, which as i pointed out earlier was already an established difference--due to this ommission, the sequence focuses strictly on the robots and technology, cutting from 21B straight to the droid arm extending and then the closeup of Luke, perhaps explaining why this scene is remembered so differently. Again, this basically puts to rest this whole silly thing.


I love how your able to put this whole silly thing to rest with every post you make.
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#263986
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Hope this puts it all to rest.


It doesn't & shouldn't. Scott's review on Amazon does tell me one thing. He did indeed see the same or very similar cut of Empire that I did. His detail is too precise to have not to have seen it & be making up the cuts in question.

I wish you could get over this false childhood memory issue. I don't have this problem & never did. I'm not a space cadet. I seen many films that have had this same type of thing happen with them before & after within this same period. Others, including myself did notice cuts to many films & in most cases they did turn up over time. Why would Empire be any different than say Star Trek 2 or any other film that I and many others have claimed to have seen additional scenes in over the years? My 9 year old brain was working just fine at the time.

Once again, I am not your typical science fiction fan. I am a very casual fan compared to many. I never have collected any Star Wars products other than the actual films. I had exactly 2 posters and model X-Wing from the original film from a Uncle that thought it would be cool gift. These products where given to me as a present in Christmas 1979. These novelty products are just not interesting to me and I have never bothered with them at all. Nor have I knew anybody that did when I was a kid. I understand it is much more common now, but back then in Edmonton that really just wasn't many kids bag that I knew. Including space film magazines, comics, bubble gum cards, story/novels, LP records, radio shows and other specials some have seen on television etc. wasn't interested, didn't know or care. I did watch the Empire of Dreams DVD and the Deleted Magic on youtube. That's it. So you could rule out the influence of novelty products on my memory.

One could easily get the idea that during the printing of the film they were rushed to point of somebody somewhere screwing up and/or somebody did indeed send out a small number of advance copies at some point aside from the rest of the batch. There is obviously a not talked about test, advance or pre-screen print that went out to at least two theatres. One in Edmonton & maybe one in Chicago if that is where the kid saw the film.
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#263964
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Originally posted by: auximenies
Originally posted by: rancher
Originally posted by: Marvolo
Irvin Kershner( sp) said himself that they dropped the wampa scenes and didn't film them because the suits would not work right and the effects were to expensive and complicated. The only wampa scene ever filmed was the scene involving Luke getting attacked and draged to the cave and proceeding cave scene. So it is impossible that you saw the other scenes, because they were never filmed.


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I'm not too interested in what anybody that worked on the film says on these matters now as they either can't or don't care to remember accurately or have some other reason. Just produce the footage if you haven't destroyed it.

What sort of a response is that? You ask others if they can do some research for you (or help you with your research), some guy tells you the results of his research, and you blow him off? First hand accounts from those that worked on the film are in fact pieces of the puzzle and count as evidence. That's fine if you don't think there is enough depth in Marvolo's research, but don't ask for something and then brush it aside. Plus, it's quite ironic that you say that some folks who worked on the film can't remember things accurately since it is the accuracy of your memory that has been called into question. But since it did appear this has caused a major distrubance in the force I thought I may be worth hanging around for a while and just see if anybody else could find anything new.

Look, we're all for the discovery of "new" or "lost" footage, so don't act as if everyone is against you. It's just that we've seen this before where people seem to remember things that didn't happen, so that's why the explanations of created memories are being offered.


Hey, don't take it too personally. I wasn't as polite as I should've been & I sincerely apologize for that. I’ve heard what the director said about the footage in question on one of the old VHS tapes before & it’s not exactly the cut I’m talking about. It’s easier for you to respond to this thread just like you did, than is for me to inquire about a cut of the film I saw & have many tell me very nicely that it’s all in my head, impossible because of reasons that actually don't apply to me aside from the explanations that it wasn't filmed in the 1st. place. The post I left before hoping that some inquiry be done by the people that had the ability to find something out & just maybe someday be able to get the footage was going to be my last at least for a while.

Regarding the people involved with making Empire, your right, is it ironic about the memory issue I brought up. Sure, what they say now can count as evidence & normally shouldn’t be brushed aside. I guess I’m saying I’m not too interested what these people say unless it helps produce the cut footage. Plus, don’t tell me how to act again.

If I were going to tell you how to act, I’d say something on the lines of thanking me for letting everyone here know about a cut of the film that nobody that has replied to this thread has seen or even heard of yet and there is hope that a very different cut was plus may still be out there. Saving the best for last, the possibility that this extended version of the film being obtained one day by this fan circle. I wouldn’t do that though because that would make me a real jackass wouldn’t it?

So whatever, you didn’t like my response & I didn’t like a few others responses either. Big deal.

The only way for this to be solved is if somebody comes forward with the 70mm bootleg of the advance cut of the film that Scotty/Amazon in Chicago claims to have seen. Or if somebody has or can get access to the actual 70mm prints from 1980 particularly Edmonton’s or now maybe the ones sent Chicago or ???

I’m sorry if I offended you & your friend Marvolo. Anyways, Jambe is on it now & maybe he will be able to provide everyone with some more details.


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and this from answers.com:
The Empire Strikes Back

The 70mm version of the film was substantially different from the 35mm version that was more widely seen.

The bacta tank scene starts on a close-up of Two-One-Bee and pans right to a close-up of Luke in the tank. It then cuts to FX-7 extending its arm to the tank. There is no cut to Leia, Han and Threepio observing.
Other interesting stuff here. http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/7908/lost_scenes.txt

So is there a 70mm bootleg tape out there anywhere?

from the site listed:


-Empire Strikes Back

Empire Strikes Back also had an advance version that had a sequence
where a Snowspeeder crashes directly into the head of a walker. (I
wasn't sure about this, but just noticed that you already had someone
else mention this in your text...)

You mentioned the 'different, more passionate' kiss between Luke and
Leia in Empire Strikes Back... It should be noted that this was
actually a cut scene. Leia was there when this face mask was taken
off of Luke... She then talks to him for a little while, and has a
quiet passionate kiss prior to Han, Chewie, R2 and 3PO's arrival in
the room.

It should also be noted that the whole Wampa attack sequence, and this
face mask and possible scar was developed to cover up the potential
scars that Mark Hamill had received in a serious car accident he had a
few months prior to shooting. This was of serious concern to the
production, and therefore the wampa subplot was developed to insure
that Hamill could continue as Luke, even if he had visible scars on
his face after the accident.

In the ESB trailers, there is an additional shot or two of Lando
looking around as he moves UP the falcon's airlock to get Luke.
(Basically, this implies that there is an additional area that is
filled with white light just prior to the outside hatch opening. In
this sequence (starting with the added footage,) The inside airlock
opens up to a very bright room that Lando starts to look around in.
(FYI, in case I am loosing you, this is the round elevator that he
rides through to get to the top of the falcon.) Anyway, then you get
a shot (as seen in the film) of Lando's head appearing out of a hole
in the top of the falcon. His head is surrounded with light coming
from below... This implies that the bright room was sort of a
decontamination sequence (guess) before exiting the falcon.

also another cut: "The Unfinished Cut?

As with "Star Wars," the early 70mm prints of "Empire" went out unfinished.
I saw this version several times, so I know the differences quite well. Here
they are:




Great find. Again, advance cut with snowspeeder crashing into walker. It must be more Jedi mind tricks, especially if someone has never seen or heard of it.
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Originally posted by: Darth Richard
Are you talking about the 70mm cut?


I believe so. I was just searching & found this:

http://www.movie-theatre.org/canada/starwars/starwars.htm

Even the newpaper ad:

http://movie-theatre.org/canada/starwars/5edmonton.jpg

It was advertised as being presented in 70mm. Maybe it wasn't & they were ripping us off by charging us 70mm prices for a 35mm presentation. I doubt it, but who knows? All I really understood about 70mm at that time was that it likely better than normal. Also in response to zombine84's last post I didn't say that it was shown only once or twice. I think that the Paramount was the only one in the entire city that was playing the film during Empire's first run. I don't know when other theatres started showing the film. It could be that they weren't up to standard or some other reason. It played many times for many months at the Paramount exclusively. Another friend saw the same cut I did at a different time than me in June of 1980 and a few others I met later on that claimed to see it during it's 1st. run here. I don't know how many copies they had, meaning if they had another camera & setup ready to go. Maybe they had a preview copy and their official reel got damaged? Or they just didn't care which one was shown? On & on. Maybe they just had this cut I described and was the only one shown to auidences here in 1980.

It is not impossible that nobody knew that the cut they were seeing at the time was indeed different than the official/common cut. I didn’t. After it stopped playing & was re-released years later, how many people would really know the difference when they saw it again? It’s likely not many, but some of us remember it. Not many at the time were connected to the world outside of Alberta or Canada or would even bother to mention some big difference in Empire several years later to somebody else someplace else. I didn't consider posting anything about this cut until very recently. I got the new copies of the DVDs for Christmas & just was wishing to see that uncut version again after watching the this unaltered version DVD. My hopes went up when I discovered the Deleted Magic film on youtube.
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Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
Wow, this is very interesting. I first saw ESB in 1980. (Several times) I remember the 2nd time I saw it, I was confused because I thought something was missing. For some reason I remember it being a comunnication thing betwen Han and Leia on Hoth. Thats all I remember. I saw it many, many times after that in the theatre, and it was always the same from then on. However I still remember that 2nd viewing, like it was yesterday, thinking, "this is different. Not sure how, but different".

I was 7 at the time and living in Toronto.

Hmmmm...


I had a nearly indentical experience when I when to see "Aliens" 2 days after the opening night show that I attended, at you guessed it the magical Paramount in Edmonton in 70mm. I couldn't put my finger on it at first and my buddy said the remote guns in the hallway are gone. Yes sir, that was it. I saw it 6 times without the guns that summer and 1 with the guns. There were other cuts that a few other people we knew noticed when they saw it again.

So Scotty in Chicago left that review. Not me. It is funny that he calls the experience of seeing the preview cut a curse. I think it's not having a copy to watch again is the true curse.

Reviews Written by
Scott Jones "Scoot" (Chicago IL)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/AKXJGCWUAUESK/002-7884982-3450463?ie=UTF8&display=public&page=2
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#263829
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Originally posted by: Laserman
From the databank
When Luke is suspended in the bacta tank in The Empire Strikes Back, the liquid looks largely colorless due to the lighting on the set. Later, when he is recuperating in the medical center, a look at the tank in the background reveals a deep red hue.

From someone's memories on Amazon. (Is it you?)

I am cursed to have seen the BEST version of Empire!, December 9, 2005
Let me explain: I got sick of waiting for Lucas to release the original trilogy on DVD a long time ago and I actually purchased a LaserDisc player and the so-called 'Original' Star Wars trilogy on laserdisc - only it's not the original Empire Strikes Back that I saw in the theater!!

THE MISSING SCENES FROM EMPIRE STRIKES BACK:
1 - The 'Bacta' scene with Luke in the tank and the medical droid was longer. Thre was a point where Luke was floating in the tank and you see this red goo/dye injected into the tank. Then they pull him out and Leia or 21B (the droid) says something like, 'The Bacta are growing well, the scars should be gone in a day or two...'

When I saw 'Empire' in the theater back in 1980 there was another scene I will never forget that I have NEVER seen since except on the earliest of (bootleg?)VHS copies.

2 - In the battle scene on Hoth in 'The Empire Strikes Back', right before General Veers is about to destroy the power generators, Hobby 'kamikazees' the walker with his snowspeeder. He lets out a blood curdling 'Aaaaaaaaaaaaah!!' on his way in. You see the snowspeeder coming in from General Veers perspective from inside the walker then you see the General - the expression on his face is priceless. The walker's head then explodes as the snowspeeder hits it. Another walker then destroys the power gens a little later. The power gen explosion is also different, it is a more pulled-back shot with full view of a nuclear mushroom cloud superimposed over what were the generators.

Also!
CUT SCENE/AUDIO #3
When the snowtroopers enter the base immediately following the battle, there are some scenes cut out of them rushing in to the command center and the audio has been changed to eliminate a PA announcement that says, 'Imperial troops have entered the base, Imperial troops have entered the base! (then Static as it is cut off presumably by the announcer being killed).

I give up.

It turns out that my local theater may have gotten a 'prescreener' version of the film!
I have purchased the 'Special Editions', the original laserdisc releases, and a bootleg DVD set from eBay and I STILL do not have the original trilogy unaltered. Now I am looking for a VHS with everything there...

Lucas, if you were trying to make me broke and insane - good job.


No, it is not me at all. I have never posted on Amazon. I have never seen any bootleg VHS tape of these cuts, just at the theatre in 1980 just like I said.

It's good to see that somebody else knows about this on the internet or has gone insane depending on what your willing to accept. I will check it out.

Anyways to stranger's post on Amazon:

#1 - Yup, that is it. That dialogue rings a bell. An impossible, imaginary one of course.

#2 - Absolutely.

#3 - For sure.

In reply to some others posts, no these aren’t invented memories. I had very limited exposure to the SW toys collectables, commercials, specials and whatnot. I was more preoccupied with Hockey than anything else back then. I was never into comics, reading novels or listening to radio plays or even believe or not watching TV very much aside for movies from time to time (usually video rentals). The only time a recall a trailer for Star Wars was on television in 1979 when it was re-released. I did see that one a few times. I just want the meat. The actual films.

The Paramount closed in 2002. But the theatre did have only one very old now owner I think. I doubt that he would remember anything he had owned & operated the theatre I guess since about 1950. Maybe worth taking to if it is possible, especailly if he stashed the reel in his closet. Now that would be farfetched. Yes, other thoughout the years other casual fans also have discussed with me about seeing the same cut as me. I don't need to hunt them down to talk to them about something we already know & agree on. I don't know if they saw it in another city or anything like that, some did see it here just like me. Anyways, I not here really to try to prove whether or not I saw it and it was out there. I know the cut does exsit and just want a copy & just maybe somebody here knew where and how to get it. This seemed like the best place to check.



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Originally posted by: Marvolo
Irvin Kershner( sp) said himself that they dropped the wampa scenes and didn't film them because the suits would not work right and the effects were to expensive and complicated. The only wampa scene ever filmed was the scene involving Luke getting attacked and draged to the cave and proceeding cave scene. So it is impossible that you saw the other scenes, because they were never filmed.



No, it was not filmed like it was described on this other site. Just some short discussion about the bad wampas and some rebel troops in a doorway facing sideways shooting at the wampa you couldn't see. The wampa was only seen when Luke was attacked at the beginning. If I were Irvin Kershner I would likely say the same thing. It is easier to dismiss these cuts as opposed to having fans want you to account for them in the future. Some say the same type of things when they remove minor features from software that causes more problems that they are worth. I'm not too interested in what anybody that worked on the film says on these matters now as they either can't or don't care to remember accurately or have some other reason. Just produce the footage if you haven't destroyed it.

Anyways, I'm knocking on the impossible door again & there is really no point to it obviously.



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#263783
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Originally posted by: zombie84
First of all, General Veers' death only appear in earlier versions of the scripts, the third and foruth drafts i think. At this time, storyboarding was being done, so storyboards exist for this scene. However, it was written out of the movie at the next draft, which is why it doesn't appear in the shooting script. It was never filmed.

The wampa attack, I'm sorry to say, could not possibly be seen by--and by anyone, unfortunately--because it was never finished. During filming, the logistics were so problematic that they literally gave up and moved on. So the wampa sequences can never be seen because all that consists is literally a few b-roll shots of soliders reacting and one or two botched close-ups. The sequence can never be seen in its entirety and as a part of the film because narratively it is incomplete.

Han solo's torture and him and Leia kissing on Bespin you probably remember because these things happen in the film! The footage cut for the Leia kiss was from an alternative scene that was re-filmed and would have not appeared past the first rough cut that was assembled mid-way through production (if in fact it made any cut at all). Stuff like the bacta mask and fluid is easy to see that its just exaggerated memories, especially when these shots appeared priminently in the theatrical trailer for film.

Additionally, i believe the rough cut of Empire may still have been made on black and white workprint stock at that time, so obviously the rough cut could not possibly have been screened. Especially being 70mm, you would have to constructed a brand new Interpositive made from the original negatives. Things like this are a big deal--they dont just happen by accident, or "sneak out". There was never any preview screenings with changed footage, and certainly none in 70mm that just happened to make their way to a solitary theater in Edmonton that was only witnessed by a ten year old and his friends. As i said, the very nature of most of these cut scenes makes it impossible for them to have ever gotten out, and they haven't, which is why Lucasfilm has never released them, referenced them or confirmed them in their meticulous "what has changed" lists. To get these scenes would require going back to the original negatives from the archives. Again, I'm not saying that you are crazy or a liar or anything--these types of things are actually common amongst fans, who claim to remember all sorts of alternative versions of the films. I can't say for sure what the source is for these mis-rememberences--kids remember things in very funny ways. Theres a very amusing thread on TFN thats about 50 pages long called "Misconceptions you had about Star Wars when you were a kid" and its filled with all kinds of mis-interpretations of scenes and such.


I understand what you are getting at based on the facts that are known and what has been investigated by the experts like yourself. I know the memory of a 9 year old is not very credible at all especially if I'm the only one to have claimed this. I can see why you'd think that it could not have happened. I would have a hard time buying into this claim if it were the other way around.

I truly believe I saw this cut described and nobody is going to change my mind about it. I’d even take a lie detector test regarding this claim & just maybe the doc would tell you I was crazy. Who knows? I swear I saw a very different cut of film & the walker attack, including the speeder crashing into the head of one. But whatever, it is in dispute with what has been set in stone and likely may never turn up because:

a) I’m nuts & that movie melted my brain.
b) Somebody that could possibly dig it up doesn't believe me! Boo-hoo!
c) The man doesn’t want it dug up & never will acknowledge it officially.

I was just hoping that someone out there could lead me to it, some of this missing footage or even tell me what cut was it that I believe I saw. I will look for the torrent mentioned & keep hoping some of these cuts will be raised up from the murky swamp of 1979-80.

You guys sound like a great & extremely dedicated bunch from the other posts I’ve been reading. I hope that maybe somebody could do some new investigation into a possible test cut of the film, it would be a horrifying shame that if what I believe I saw does exist it could escape so many much more hardcore & loyal SW fans than me. Be lost forever.

Thanks everyone for your consideration of my question.


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Originally posted by: Sluggo
rancher,

no disrespect, but this sounds like you have seen these scenes in a trailer in the theater and somewhere along the way your memories had these scenes in the movie itself. the problem with the scattered claims of seeing the cut scenes in the theaters is there is no evidence of the scenes ever playing. no bootleg footage, no audio recordings, no confirmations from official sources, no soundtrack releases with extra music that can not be matched to the existing film, nada. it is regrettable, but there is no hard evidence for these scenes to have been seen in the theater.


Nope, never saw any trailers for Empire until the DVD set was released. As for the evidence, I know there isn't any on the net that I could see. That must have been some pretty powerful LSD topping on the popcorn for me to have seen these cuts twice eh?

Could it be that the Paramount in Edmonton got a preview test copy? It's not like Edmonton is some backwater city. Why would it be impossible?
I provided the location, dates and exact times. Maybe the SW higher ups can find something out about this in the future.



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#263732
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Originally posted by: zombie84
Its true that Canadian theaters at that time had the right to censor films themselves, but this lost cut thing is all in your mind. For starters, the nature of canadian censorship didn't add things to the films--as if some theater in a backwater town in northern ontario, for example, could request copies of the original negatives from Lucasfilm and re-construct scenes. What they did is literally take a pair of scissors and cut out the "dirty' frames. For example, the moment of impact of Luke's hand being lopped off might have been cut--you see Darth swing and then Luke is screaming with his hand already missing. This is the type of stuff that happened. As for the Walker's exploding head, it is doubtful that it was ever filmed, since it would have required complicated special effects and a completed edit. The tauntaun subplot has never been seen, except in brief behind the scenes clips--ask Jambe Davdar, LOL.

Hate to break it to you, but you are imagining this lost cut of Empire. Many people have done similar things with Star Wars as well, and it stems from reading comics, novels, etc, the imagination of little boys living in 1980, and thiry years of time passing.


Thank you that was very helpful. I'm glad the SW psychologists have diagnosed my query and put my nearly 27 year old delusion to rest. I can now watch Empire without any question that I was completely mad. All those comics, radio shows etc. that I've never read and never seen a copy of have played with my mind & tormented me all this time using the dark side of the force possibly.



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Originally posted by: HotRod
Stay of the drugs man...they make you see shit!!

It was all in your mind..from reading comics to radio plays...all in your mind man.

But then again.....




I haven't read any SW comics/books or listened to radio plays etc. I not a collector of any SW products aside from the video cassettes/DVD, some posters I once had and a model of a X-Wing from '79. I like to watch the films and that's about it and read a little SW news on the net once or twice a year to see if any big news (aside for some research about these deleted parts).

I did see this cut I describe & I know what I saw. I happen to have a very good memory & I guess I am one of few out there that did see a possible test cut of the film or a screw-up copy that got to us. Believe it or not, it doesn't really matter to me much, just sick of waiting of these deleted cuts to be released by Lucas & would like to find out if it is possible to see this version again or some of the cuts in decent quality similar to this Deleted Magic film.

If anybody else here knows what I'm talking about please me know.

9 year old on drugs?


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There was a different cut of Empire shown in Canada (Edmonton, Alberta @ The Paramount in 70mm) I saw on May.25th, 1980 & also on June.1,1980 (at 4 p.m. both times, same theatre).

Many films for some reason during the 70s & 80s shown in theatres here during their initial first runs were indeed different cuts. Some others: Logan’s Run, Star Trek:TMP, ST2:TWOK & Aliens and the Jedi cut (during first run/saw it the first day at old & gone Westmount twin in 70mm) here did have the Vader’s miff with the emperor’s guards.

I’m guessing that Canada had (we did at least until the late 80s I think) the right to cut the films as they see fit because our rating classification system was different than the U.S. during that period. I believe that they usually didn’t bother with any editing and just
rated the film as it was sent. Maybe that isn’t the reason at all. Who knows?
 

Maybe a test cut?

Sometimes these alternate cuts or a similar cut would turn up on television (I’ve heard the reason for this longer=more commercials), but not on videocassette or when the film was re-released later in theatres.

I did not imagine these parts being in the movie. My brother & some friends at the time also complained that some cuts had been made when Empire was re-released again in 1982. The speeder crashing into the walker’s head was the biggy that everyone (here) remembered that signaled some snips & re-editing had been done.

It appears that the U.S. did not see this ‘lost cut’ of Empire as it is never
mentioned by anybody. I have not found anyone else on internet by searching
that has claimed to have seen this cut like us here in Edmonton.
 

The best information I have found so far is this site:

I was looking at this website for info if these cuts could be seen again.
http://www.starwarscutscenes.com/
 

CUT SCENES:

Dead Tauntauns
Yes, this was in.

Bacta Tank
Yes, this was in & it was longer than the site describes I remember the water being red ‘before’ the cut described the med. robot doing something on the
console and then the red clears up. I remember thinking to myself I hope that
isn’t blood. My parents had to take me from the drive-in early from ALIEN which
of course they shouldn’t have taken us kids to.

Wampa Attack
I do remember rebel troops fighting the wampas and trying to hold them off. It was shorter than described on this site. Just some guys in the hall from a side view shooting at the Wampa which you couldn’t see and some brief discussion.

Wampa Trap
Yes this was in.

Bacta Mask
Yes this was in. Luke & Leia conversing more + more love triangle.

General Veers’ Death
Yes this was in & nearly exactly as it is described. Want very badly to see
this cut again!!! The cut walker attack was longer & better.

Troops Meet Wampas
Yes this was in.
 

Not listed:

Han Solo & Leia on Cloud City

conversing & kissing

Han’s Solo Torture

very brief of Han being lowered down and getting shocked/remember sparking when nodes touched his chest.

Luke’s Rescue
Don’t remember the rescue being any different. Not sure about this one.

One more - describes about Luke shooting a Wampa before the walker attack. I don’t recall this one being in the cut I saw. There were likely more very slight cuts than listed on this website. I remember a white C3PO as well inside the Hoth base.

My question is: Does a bootleg of this cut of the film exist within fan circles? How do I get a copy? I am not a collector of Star Wars products or fandom stuff. I simply just want to see my favorite film the way I originally saw it in 1980. Is it possible like with the Deleted Magic film for the original SW?