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#32735
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Originally posted by: R2-G2

He said he had the films outlined. Major events, major characters, etc. I can believe that. I seriously doubt that he ever intended to even film the prequel trilogy, until around 1980 or so wherein he changed his mind. He claims to have been waiting for technology to catch up to his vision, but I personally think he was procrastinating.

He could have made the films in the late 80's or early 90's, but I think he was so burned out he wanted to do anything but Star Wars. Saying FX tech wasn't up to snuff is just an excuse, but its a valid one to justify his long wait if he wants. He just wasn't ready to take the plunge back then. The wait was fine with me, unfortunately, I hated walking out of The Phantom Menace going "I waited sixteen years for this???". I can't for the life of me believe that Lucas really had Jar Jar in mind way back when he first typed "A Long Time Ago..."


Yeah, he specifically cited Mace Windu as one character that the outline didn't account for. Again, it was apparently pretty broad and general as a story. And only certain major characters were developed. I don't think he could've captured the finer points of Coruscant or other such places in the late 80's or 90's, but the basic story probably could've been covered (even if the scale of everything wasn't quite right). Pre-production on TPM began in 1994, so Lucas obviously spent quite a lot of time with it.

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I don't buy Lucas' statements about Greedo either, for the record. I read somewhere that he attributed Han shooting first in the original ANH as an "editing error"... which I don't believe for one second. It was completely in character for Han to shoot Greedo first in that bar. To say (or do) anything else is an insult to everyone's intelligence.

At last, we totally agree. That's good... you've taken your first step into a larger world...



I'm just pushing the BS button because it seems appropriate in this instance.

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Are you being this dense on purpose? For the purposes of a story, only Anakin can pilot podracers. If I can accept the other conventions of Star Wars, this is no problem.

So Anakin is good at racing podracers, and if I recall correctly, it was said that no human had won the pod race. Not that it was completely genetically impossible for a human to win. Also, there's nothing that Anakin DID that really stood out as particularly indicative of his "greatness"; he never used the Force or did anything that was noteworthy in regard to Jedi potential.


Luke was trained as a Jedi during less-than-ideal circumstances. Yoda and Obi-Wan were both prepared to overlook his age in exchange for him bringing Vader and Palpatine down. It was an emergency situation. Desperate times, desperate measures and other stuff.

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Which totally blows the whole "he's too old" argument completely out of the water. Jeez, Anakin is like a 4th or 5th grader, hardly a sage old timer. I still find the notion that the only acceptable Jedi candidates are babies to be completely preposterous. If that's the case, the Sith should find ample recruits... "Hey, can't be a Jedi? say you're TOO OLD? Well come on over to the Sith, we'll show you what the Force is all about!"


There's two ways you can look at this. 1- Under ideal circumstances back in the hey-day of the Jedi during the Republic era, the Jedi trained new Jedi basically from infancy and they wouldn't rarely change their practices. However, once all but two of them have been killed by the bad guys, they're willing to overlook their standard training policies and have Yoda give Luke a crash course in Jedi-ology in the space of about two months since the fate of the entire galaxy is at stake, even though (under ideal circumstances) Luke would never have been trained as a Jedi. The Council calling Anakin "too old" when he was 10 years old kind of underscores the seriousness of the situation when Luke is trained at almost 22 years of age. 2- Lucas is a hack.

The best evidence leads me to put my faith in #1.

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How would you have written Anakin's testing scene? Mind you, Anakin can't really jump around yet, move objects, lightsaber duel, etc. He'd already had the midichlorian test and won a race he wasn't even supposed to be biologically capable of competing in. And anyway, to humor Qui-Gon, the Council decided to test Anakin. Anakin didn't prove himself until later in the film... and only when Obi-Wan threatened to train him outside of the Council, if necessary. So knowing all that, the Council probably agreed to let Obi-Wan train Anakin to keep Anakin under some kind of control.

Well, since you asked, I would never have written Anakin as a 9-10 year old. He would have at least been a teenager, around Luke's age, but probably just a little younger. I would have had Obi-Wan discover his Jedi potential inadvertently, such as witnessing Anakin doing stuff naturally that took Obi-Wan and other Jedi years of study and practice to learn. A little scene like when Luke first practiced against the remote in ANH, only Anakin would fare much better, making it all look easy. The Jedi would look at him with a sense of awe and fear. So powerful, but untrained, volatile, a wildcard, Obi-Wan convinces the others that they should take him and make him a Jedi, or risk him falling into the hands of the Dark Side.


No offense, but there's absolutely nothing creative about any of that. Lucas's method worked, for me anyway, because Anakin was fairly brimming with power, but he was also a good person who wanted to do good things and had the type of innocence only childhood can bring.

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Oh, and Anakin didn't "prove" himself in ANY way at the end of TPM. Everything he did at the end was by accident. He took off, accidentally, he got into the fight, accidentally, he got shot, accidentally, he went into the ship and just happened to get into sensitive area, accidentally, then he fires at the battledroids, but ends up hitting the reactors (I guess)... again, accidentally


The Force was with Anakin. He knew enough about piloting to do well enough when R2 deactivated the auto-pilot. Anakin's expertise was piloting, mechanics and such things. The Force used Anakin. In ANH, Luke used the Force. The situations were pretty different.

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There wasn't a single thing Anakin did ON PURPOSE during that part of the film. It was all by accident. Please, compare the scene there with Luke's trench run. Everything Luke did was deliberate and with purpose ("Luke, you switched off your targeting computer, what's wrong?" - "Nothing. I'm alright!") not... "Let's try rolling, that's a good trick!"


Luke received actual instruction from Obi-Wan, which is more than Anakin had to work with. Plus, Luke was just older, thus he might've been more inclined to pick things up quicker.

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Star Wars has crappy dialog. Always has, always will. TPM and AOTC were more of the same.

TPM, AOTC and some of ROTJ yes, but ANH and ESB have great scripts, the lines work and are delivered with conviction and believability within the context of their characters. I defy you to name groaners from those two films.


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#32677
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Originally posted by: R2-G2
Word to that HotRod. If Lucas had the events of episodes 1 and 2 clearly in his mind since 1976, then I've got a real life size Death Star to sell you.



He said he had the films outlined. Major events, major characters, etc. I can believe that. I seriously doubt that he ever intended to even film the prequel trilogy, until around 1980 or so wherein he changed his mind. He claims to have been waiting for technology to catch up to his vision, but I personally think he was procrastinating.

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Yes, Lucas is a constant promoter of revisionist history, talking about the PT as if that is what he had in mind all along, which is ridiculous. Trentobi, before you jump to GL's defense, I don't need to read Lucas' mind, I just look at what he has said. His assertion about Greedo shooting first and his desire to make Jabba a big fat lizard instead of a big fat old man in ANH as things that he had planned to do all along are not corroborated by anything other than Lucas' self-serving statements.

I don't even think Lucas had it in his mind that Darth Vader was Luke Skywalker's father until he started to write the story of Empire Strikes Back. I doubt he even made up his mind about Leia being Luke's sister. Though to hear Lucas tell it now, Star Wars is always about a guy and his twins.



Lucas knew from the start that Vader was Luke's father. Darth Vader = "dark" and "father" in some other language. He knew Luke had a twin, but wasn't sure if it was Han or Leia. This is kinda backed up by ESB in a way. I'm speculating that he wanted Luke's twin to be Han since... Luke and Leia kissed in ESB.

I don't buy Lucas' statements about Greedo either, for the record. I read somewhere that he attributed Han shooting first in the original ANH as an "editing error"... which I don't believe for one second. It was completely in character for Han to shoot Greedo first in that bar. To say (or do) anything else is an insult to everyone's intelligence.

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Trentobi writes: "Anakin piloted his pod in a winning race... which humans cannot do, strictly speaking. That was stated in plain English during the film. He was tested by the Jedi Council and demonstrated a sufficient enough skill in the Force (describing the objects in Mace Windu's holopad) that the Jedi Council all agreed that he had "exceptional skill"... even if he was too old to begin training as a Jedi. Since he was just a kid in TPM, we got to see him be an innocent, selfless kid... which makes him growing up into Darth Vader all the more heart-wrenching since he was such a good kid once. If Anakin had come out of the womb as a bloodthirsty maniac, why the hell would the Jedi have accepted him?!?! And moreover, why would the audience care about it? They'd say "that sicko was a demon right from the start!" He basically gave in to the Dark Side when he was first born, it kinda takes the sting out of the whole transformation.


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So Anakin can drive a pod-racer around really fast, on the same rationale, just because Jeff Gordon can win the Daytona 500 doesn't mean he'd make a great Delta Force commando.


Are you being this dense on purpose? For the purposes of a story, only Anakin can pilot podracers. If I can accept the other conventions of Star Wars, this is no problem.

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As for his "tests", oh wow, him reading the cards ("I don't know... a couple of wavy lines?"); could Lucas have come up with something more imaginative than that for a test? And why did they even bother if they already knew he was "too old", which is preposterous. If boy-child Anakin is "too old", then what is Luke? George just wanted to have lots of cute kids. The Jedi younglings in Episode 2 are another attempt to completely remove any gonads out of Star Wars, how saccharine.


Luke was trained as a Jedi during less-than-ideal circumstances. Yoda and Obi-Wan were both prepared to overlook his age in exchange for him bringing Vader and Palpatine down. It was an emergency situation.

How would you have written Anakin's testing scene? Mind you, Anakin can't really jump around yet, move objects, lightsaber duel, etc. He'd already had the midichlorian test and won a race he wasn't even supposed to be biologically capable of competing in. And anyway, to humor Qui-Gon, the Council decided to test Anakin. Anakin didn't prove himself until later in the film... and only when Obi-Wan threatened to train him outside of the Council, if necessary. So knowing all that, the Council probably agreed to let Obi-Wan train Anakin to keep Anakin under some kind of control.

Jedi were trained in the ways of the Force starting shortly after their birth. The scene with Bear Clan in AOTC didn't really bother me. It was brief, the kids were mostly window-dressing and they weren't anywhere near as annoying as one minute worth of Ewoks. Besides, that scene showed Yoda doing something else besides sitting around on his butt in the Jedi Temple.

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As for that "Yippee" stuff... kids say dumb stuff all the time. It's soooo wizard!!"

Stop being an apologist. Poor Jake Lloyd, he deserved better than that. I feel equally sorry for Daniel Logan ("Get him dad!!!" Get him!!! FIRE!!!")


Star Wars has crappy dialog. Always has, always will. TPM and AOTC were more of the same.

- Trentobi
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#32536
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Originally posted by: R2-G2
Go on then Shakespeare, how was Anakin poorly conceived?

Because we see him as a young child, and nothing but a young child, and a brat at that. There is no sense in his characterization that he's the one "who will bring balance to the Force" except for a high midichlorian count. None of his ACTIONS in the film demonstrate ANYTHING that can be construed as "greatness" or even hinting that Anakin has the makings of a great Jedi. We are to assume that Anakin will be a great Jedi, because... well, Qui-gon thinks so. Simply not believeable. Oh, and "Yipee!!!!"


Anakin piloted his pod in a winning race... which humans cannot do, strictly speaking. That was stated in plain English during the film. He was tested by the Jedi Council and demonstrated a sufficient enough skill in the Force (describing the objects in Mace Windu's holopad) that the Jedi Council all agreed that he had "exceptional skill"... even if he was too old to begin training as a Jedi. Since he was just a kid in TPM, we got to see him be an innocent, selfless kid... which makes him growing up into Darth Vader all the more heart-wrenching since he was such a good kid once. If Anakin had come out of the womb as a bloodthirsty maniac, why the hell would the Jedi have accepted him?!?! And moreover, why would the audience care about it? They'd say "that sicko was a demon right from the start!" He basically gave in to the Dark Side when he was first born, it kinda takes the sting out of the whole transformation.

As for that "Yippee" stuff... kids say dumb stuff all the time. It's soooo wizard!!

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Would you recognize a car that a friend of yours drove if you saw it 20 years later in a junkyard with a different coat of paint on it?

I would if his name was C-3PO, oh yeah... right, Owen didn't get the name when he bought C-3PO in ANH and didn't recognize him in the gold paint. Despite the fact that he had the same voice. Ah... clever.


It's been a while since I've watch ANH, but did Owen ever actually hear C-3P0's name? Anyway, even if he did, again, it had been 20 years since he'd seen that droid. He'd probably owned countless droids in his life. Why would he care about this particular one? Especially when he never had any reason to believe he'd owned it before? Or Hell, maybe he DID recognize it and chalked it up to Galactic Weird Shit and went on with life.

- Trentobi
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#32531
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Originally posted by: R2-G2

Next to Anakin, C-3PO was the most poorly conceived character in the prequel trilogy.


Go on then Shakespeare, how was Anakin poorly conceived?

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Anakin built C-3PO??? How utterly ridiculous. I guess Shmi just took him with her whenever Watto sold her?


Why not? It was Shmi's legal property.

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Isn't C-3PO a protocol droid, well versed in all the customs, fluent in over 6,000,000 forms of communication? Wouldn't it have made more sense storywise for Threepio to be in the diplomatic service, either on Naboo, with the Jedi, or even with the Senate?


No. Anakin found the frame of the droid, he didn't build that.

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Of course, Owen doesn't recognize him in ANH. Oh yeah, different color scheme, yeah, that's right... sure.


Would you recognize a car that a friend of yours drove if you saw it 20 years later in a junkyard with a different coat of paint on it?

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C-3PO's lines in the OT are still all pretty funny and come from the character and make sense (especially in ANH and TESB, ROTJ has a few groaners, but I'll forgive them) However, the whole putting his head on the battledroid was such a pathetic farce: "This is such a drag"??? (I'll bet GL laughed his head off when they came across that part in the first cast script reading, though I am sure the rest of the cast and crew just started inspecting the creases in their pants.)


Yeah cuz you were there, right? How do you even know that Lucas (and not Hales) wrote that part?

- Trentobi
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#32530
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
Apparently there are some substantial differences with the Dolby Stereo and the 6 track 70mm version, but I would be happy with only the 6-track, as it is really only a 4.1 track.


What are the differences?

In home theater terms, what exactly does 4.1 translate to? Two channels in front and two channels in back? Three channels in front and one channel in back? I know what the ".1" is supposed to be, of course.

- Trentobi
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Originally posted by: R2-G2

All the quote from Williams implies is that more music will be added into ANH. Williams, as a musical director, is not an authority on what is being done in the areas of visual effects, sound design, etc. For all either of us know, Lucas simply wants to add the Imperial March to ANH and maybe some other things as well, but has nothing else in mind for that film.

That is still a change, and a fundamental one at that. Do you really think Lucas would stop just there?


I haven't seen any confirmation from him or a representative of Lucasfilm to make me believe that more work is being done on the original trilogy. I could see a lot of wisdom in doing so, but I haven't seen any evidence of that. For all any of us know, maybe he is doing more work on them, but more minor things like matte lines, corrected lightsabers and maybe some new or different musical cues in ANH.

The point? WE DON'T KNOW!

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I understand your feelings. I support releasing the original versions of the Trilogy on DVD as much as anybody on this forum. My point though is that, sooner or later, a new format will eventually put DVD out of business. Is Lucas supposed to release the original versions of the Trilogy on that format as well?

yes.


Well hell, maybe Lucas should just skip releasing the original versions of the Trilogy on DVD altogether and release them on Blu-Ray Discs when that format hits the market place. How cool would that be?!

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It's not an either/or proposition and it shouldn't be. Lucas could release the original versions of the Trilogy on barebones DVD (without any extras at all) in four months and they would sell a mint and earn him two or three more fortunes. If he's as greedy as some of you say, he would've done so by now.

This is the case where Lucas' ego and pride outweighs his greed.


No it's not. He's either a greedy SOB (that fable about how he supposedly rereleases the Trilogy 90 gamillion times with almost no differences, even though the reality contradicts that idiotic statement) or he's not. He hasn't released any version of the original trilogy on DVD. He knows as well or better than anybody else how successful those discs would be... yet he hasn't released them. So he's not greedy. Maybe neurotic, but not greedy. A greedy man would've released vanilla versions of the original versions of the Trilogy along with vanilla versions of the Special Editions (spaced six months apart) and follow both of those sets up with collector's editions of both (spaced six months apart) by now.

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I've never met Lucas, but I think of him as being a fairly obstinant man. It's all well and good for people like you and me to beg for the original versions of the Trilogy. In my opinion, he doesn't understand why we want them since (1) they're not his original vision and (2) the Special Editions are far superior in every technical way. He may very well not understand the sentimentality of seeing Han shoot first or my geeky need to compare the two versions to each other with friends and debate the merits of both.

I take that to mean he is severely out of touch with fans. Of course, he simply looks at his bank statements and sees that Episode I and II have made him millions and millions. So he finds it easy to dismiss our criticisms. Like when he dismissed criticism of Jar Jar saying that people thought C-3PO and R2-D2 were stupid, which was most certainly not the case amongst the fans.


If I were him, I would dismiss your claims too. C3P0 and R2 were characters for the kiddos. Jar Jar is too and all you Jar Jar-haters can get over it. C3P0 was an overall pretty endearing character in the original trilogy... but he had moments in ESB and ROTJ that pissed me off more than anything Jar Jar ever said or did.

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I'm coming up with a laundry list of things I hope Lucas will fix that he didn't fix in the Special Editions. Hopefully someone at ILM has already noticed these. Of all the corrections that one list claimed were being made, the one I find most laughable is that Han shooting first will be restored. Fat chance, I think Lucas will keep that in there just to spite us. No, it was not his original vision, because there is no mention of it in the scripts, and no mention of it in he novelization. To claim that that's what he intended back in 1977 is just plain false and and outright lie. I would respect Lucas more if he just said "I was uncomfortable with the idea of Han shooting first and that's why I changed it."


If Lucas paid no attention to the fans, we wouldn't have any SW DVD's now and certainly none this year. Will he restore Han shooting first? I don't know, but I'd think he might. Fan reaction has been vitriolic, as you all know. Everybody can find some aspect of the Special Editions that they like, but I've never once read anybody say that they think the scene works better with Greedo shooting first or that they even like it. NOT ONE!!!

- Trentobi
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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
Star Wars should have the original 6 track mix on it as well as the original 1977 35mm Dolby Stereo mix and the original 35mm mono mix.

Neil


Could all of those soundtracks be included on the disc in English along with foreign languages as well??? For my money, the stereo track ought to be skipped with only the 6-track and mono mixes being included. How good could the stereo track have really been anyway??

- Trentobi
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Originally posted by: R2-G2
Just thought I'd throw this out there...

While we all have issues with the Special Editions, I think its fair to say that there are some additions that we actually like. I'm very picky so when I thought about it, I could think of three (actually four) additions (one for each movie) that I really liked. I wanted to know what additions people here actually liked.

1. The new shot of the Millenium Falcon approaching Yavin in A New Hope. Very dynamic.

2. The extended shot of Slave 1 tracking the Millenium Falcon and the additional shots during the approach to Cloud City in Empire.

3. The Bantha herd in ROTJ


01- Extended arrival of the Millennium Falcon on Cloud City with CG Falcon and Cloud Car escorts set against a CG Cloud City.

02- All the extra windows and things inside Cloud City. Lucas was trying to open things up so that we can see the scope of the city and I think he delivered the goods here.

03- The extended arrival in Mos Eisley in ANH, with the CGI speeder and Mos Eisley "set". No it isn't perfect (I could take or leave the droid punching the other droid to the ground), but it's better than it was in the original version, IMHO.

04- The explosions of Alderaan and the two Death Stars. I don't know what a planet or space station of that size would look like if they ever blew up, but I find the newer explosions to be much more believable.

05- The Falcon lifting off from the Mos Eisley hangar in ANH. It's definitely a good thing to actually see it take off instead of just seeing this tiny speck (representing the Falcon) taking off in the distant background while a stormtrooper watches.

06- The space dogfight in ANH with all those extra flourishes Lucas added were great too.

Basically, in my opinion there's no shortage of good stuff in the Special Editions. The number of things I liked is much higher than the stuff I disliked (which most of you probably don't like either).

- Trentobi
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Thanks for the link to the Williams interview. I am disappointed to hear that he will tinker with the music for ANH, but there is proof positive that Lucas is further changing ANH. You asked for evidence that he is doing ANOTHER revamp, well there it is.


All the quote from Williams implies is that more music will be added into ANH. Williams, as a musical director, is not an authority on what is being done in the areas of visual effects, sound design, etc. For all either of us know, Lucas simply wants to add the Imperial March to ANH and maybe some other things as well, but has nothing else in mind for that film.

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Yes, I did realize that it was being released as "unaltered" for the last time, but that was only on VHS and laserdisc and unfortunately, DVD has since replaced both as the format of choice for the consumer. So no, it did not come as a surprise and I dutifily bought my LD copy. But now, for all those who would want the original, unadulterated version of the OT on DVD, they are totally out of luck. I have a copy of my LD burned onto DVD, but its not the same as having an official release using the masters of the original film and sound mixing to make a truly professional release. LD output is only analog, not digital, the LDs also just had Dolby Digital sound, not a remastered 5.1 mix. There is only so much that a guy and his desktop computer can do, when only given an LD to work with as the master.


I understand your feelings. I support releasing the original versions of the Trilogy on DVD as much as anybody on this forum. My point though is that, sooner or later, a new format will eventually put DVD out of business. Is Lucas supposed to release the original versions of the Trilogy on that format as well? And the next one? And the next one? And the next one? Hell, I hope he does! I'd LOVE to see the original versions of the Trilogy in high-def... but if never even get that on standard DVD, I'll be disappointed, but not disillusioned.

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If Lucas is worried that I might buy the OT and not the SE, he should fear not. Yes, I will be buying the Special Edition DVDs when they come out, regardless of whether he releases the non-SE OT, but that is for mostly technical reasons (i.e. sound/picture, extras/documentaries). That doesn't mean I have to prefer those versions over the original films.


It's not an either/or proposition and it shouldn't be. Lucas could release the original versions of the Trilogy on barebones DVD (without any extras at all) in four months and they would sell a mint and earn him two or three more fortunes. If he's as greedy as some of you say, he would've done so by now. The fact that he hasn't released those or the Special Editions tells me that he has his own reasons for sitting on both of them. Hell, if he wanted to, he could release a MEGA boxed set with one DVD containing the original film and the second disc containing the Special Edition version with one extra disc for all of the extra material. Nobodys ego would be at stake in that scenario and no one could say which version people really cared about buying. I'd hoped for this route in lieu of a separate release for each version (confusing the idiotic masses), but I'll take what ever I can get at this point.

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If Lucas proceeds with doing an "ULTIMATE" edition DVD after this (or if he's planning to make the changes for the Fall 2004 DVD release), then more power to him. It is "his" film whether we like it or not, but that doesn't mean I have to enjoy the awkward "Greedo shoots first" scene. It's obvious that any sentiment towards the original cuts of the film don't seem to be registering with him.


I've never met Lucas, but I think of him as being a fairly obstinant man. It's all well and good for people like you and me to beg for the original versions of the Trilogy. In my opinion, he doesn't understand why we want them since (1) they're not his original vision and (2) the Special Editions are far superior in every technical way. He may very well not understand the sentimentality of seeing Han shoot first or my geeky need to compare the two versions to each other with friends and debate the merits of both.

Incidentally, this is why ALL artists and creative people are completely full of crap. EDITED BY TRENTOBI. APOLOGIES TO THE ADMIN FOR THE UNNECESSARY FRENCH

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If he does make more changes, I hope he goes all out and makes these versions even more different from the original cuts as possible. There are a number of things in the Special Edition that had me scratching my head and saying "Why didn't they fix THAT?"

Let's hope with these ULTIMATE editions, he will do that.


Agreed, 110%. There's no shortage of work that still needs to be done in all three movies, ranging from head-slapping-obvious (the Rancor matte line, screwy lightsabers) to the more subtle (the mother of all color correction screw ups when Leia, Chewie and Lando run past the camera during their escape from Cloud City).

With all that in mind, I really wish 20th Century Fox would've allowed Lucas to just work on ANH and skip the other two films (which was the original plan). He would've done the rest of them eventually and the quality level of ANH Special Edition (and the rest) would've been much higher.

- Trentobi
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I'm going to jump out my window if Williams adds in the Imperial March to ANH, I think the Empire's theme from the movie is fine just as it is, and if I had been doing the prequels, I would have focused on using that theme instead of the overused Darth Vader's theme.


Get a parachute. http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-main.html?2002-04/19/10.30.film

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I don't believe all the things in that change list, but the sad thing is, I wouldn't put it past Lucas to do such things. I was watching the old Making of ROTJ video tape and he was talking about if (in 1983) he could redo Star Wars, he could make it SO MUCH better than what it was.

I think Lucas will tinker with this film until the day he dies. I know artists never feel there work is complete, but Lucas has taken this to the extreme. I think he finds watching the original to be painful and he HATES it and HATES us for liking the film the way that it is.

So we are made to pay for Lucas' insecurities as a filmmaker.


You're not being made to do anything. You've got self-control and a free will. If you don't want to support any version of Star Wars on DVD except the original releases, that's your perogative. But you sound like a whiney chump when you complain about "taking this to the extreme", when all Lucas has done is whoppin' ONE revamp to the original trilogy. I defy you or anybody else to find so much as one quote from Lucas admitting point-blank that he's got another overhaul for the trilogy lurking in his mind. Moreover, when the unaltered original trilogy was released for the final time all those years ago, IT WAS ADVERTISED AS BEING THE FINAL TIME FOR THE UNALTERED VERSION! You can't say you didn't see this coming.

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George, it was good the way that it was.


Yes. And it is good now.

- Trentobi
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Originally posted by: obi-wan trentobi
I don't doubt that Lucas will tinker further with the Original Trilogy, but I doubt that he'd go as far as that list says he will.


He wants to create his "perfect" Star Wars, and given he's made fundmental changes already to the original, why would you be surprised if he makes "Star Wars v3.0"?


"Fundamental changes"?? Greedo shot first and Luke screams when he falls down the reactor core during ESB. Those are probably the most noteworthy changes and they don't really add up to all that much in the grand scheme of the saga.

Like I said, I don't doubt that he'll make more changes to the original trilogy, but I would be shocked and awed if even half of the items on that BS list came to pass.

John Williams is on record for saying that he's going to rescore A New Hope, so I would believe that Lucas has ambitions for the music. I just don't forsee another major overhaul of the entire trilogy.

- Trentobi
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That wishlist that somebody posted featuring all types of extra changes to the Original Trilogy is, in my opinion, complete nonsense. Fanboy ejaculation and nothing more. I don't doubt that Lucas will tinker further with the Original Trilogy, but I doubt that he'd go as far as that list says he will. There are some good ideas in there, but way too much fanboy garbage to be taken seriously.

I doubt any of us would complain about the Han/Greedo scene being restored though.

And hey, that scene with Jabba in A New Hope looks awful. Lucas ought to either remove that scene (which would be cool) or else swap in the Jabba from the Phantom Menace. Cuz right now, it looks like complete trash.

- Trentobi