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#240764
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Split avi to audio/video?
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Well, I have capture a movie with my laserdisc player and PDI Delux card. I used Dscaler 5 and huffyuv 2.2 (YUY2). I combie the two AVI files to one big file.

Now, before I do the inverse telecine, sharpening, and other filter, I should split the file into a video file and one audio file, right? So I can convert the wave to MP3 and pitch correct it. What program should I use for this?

Thanks in advance
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#229393
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Info: The LID Project: Laserdisc is dead.
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Originally posted by: pupil

SO, bearing in mind I'm generally a very positive chap, I'm hoping (and it sounds like) that what we get in September is a nice simple straight transfer to DVD of the same stock they used for the DC/Faces LaserDiscs (from what we are lead to believe with comments like "state of the art circa '93 quality", this sounds like what we are gonna get, no messing with anything, just straight from film to DVD... even they can't mess that up, SURELY!) For a fraction of the cost/time we are having to deal with currently, we get a MUCH BETTER RAW PRINT TO WORK WITH!

Or maybe I'm just being too optimistic meh, keeps me happy



Yes, I think really you are too optimistic. Because WHERE do you have any proof that they will use FILM as source? I find that highly unlikly becuase the DVD's will be non-anamorphic! Whatever shape the 35 mm film of the original would be, it WOULD benefit from anamorphic transfer. I believe that we will get DVD's from old composite masters (1"?) that was use for the LD transfer and that would not benefit the DVD too much. So the X0 project can still be better
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#175683
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/175683/action/topic#175683
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Originally posted by: Patrick R.
Originally posted by: Knightmessenger
What was the retail price of an X0? Did you guys also get X0 captures from other SW laserdisc material such as the definitive collection extras?



It was only made in Japan and used to go for $7000.00 U.S. and about $700.00 for shipping to the U.S.. The good news is that it appears the price is dropping on them. They don't pop up often, but I rarely see them go for over $3000.00. Hopefully, they will drop to the $1000.00 to $1500.00 mark. I may spring for one myself at that price depending on how my job goes.

Patrick



You would probably never see a good condition HLD-X0 go for 1000$. The reason is simpel, as the years go by, less and less HLD-X0 will be in good condition = the price stay's up. Just like a HLD-X9 today, used, are going most of the time, for more than it cost new. Same as with old cars, as long and people will have them in good shape, they will not lose in value.

The HLD-X0 on ebay now is from the cheapest source you can get. I got my second X0 from him. But I also know of mint HLD-X0 going for 6000$


zion, I mail you some day.
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#165953
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/165953/action/topic#165953
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I have been playing around with this setting black level with some capture I have done. The reason is, when I compare a DVD screengrab with a LD screengrab, the LD will look washed out because of the different black level. Now, using same stuff as in this great artical, I can change the widescreen borders from 19 IRE to 0 IRE like a DVD. But how should I do not to effect white level? Will it also go down, or how should I do?
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#164222
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Help with settings: PDI delux, Virtualdub/Huffyuv
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/164222/action/topic#164222
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Hi!

I'm really new at this so hope you can help me with these noobie questions you have heard all the time.
I have both a Pioneer HLD-X0 and HLD-X9 laserdisc players. I want to capture frpm these in best quality I can.
So what settings should I have? Should I go for RGB24 or YUV2? NTSC-M? What more?

I also wonder why I get strange chroma noise when I look at a frame that I do not get when I see the LD live on a big screen?

Everything you could help me with would be great.

Thanks in advance

/Mattias
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#162617
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/162617/action/topic#162617
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Originally posted by: gltaylor74
I don't think it is recombing. If the composite output was a recombination of the S-video, why would they have dedicated composite adjustments on the video board? If the composite can from the S-video, the S-video adjustment that is also present would be all that was needed. A dedicated composite adjustment wouldnt' be needed because it would have already been done on the S-video signal path. I'll email a laserdisc tech I know. He is the best in the business in the US. It is not Kurtis Bahr, but Duncan Hunter. Duncan has worked on my X9 and is well versed in ld theory and about the adjustments on the X9's video board. I had my X9 hooked to my pioneer elite HDTV when I first got it for testing purposes since the Elite HDTV has the same comb filter. The X9's comb filter settings had no effect on the picture as far as I could see and I tried using the HR, Normal, and C-wide modes under the Standard setting. This was running composite direct to the HDTV. I'm now using my X9 with an Iscan HD+ using S-video. I'll have to try hooking up the composite again and see if I notice anything.



Well, I did just a test. I used memory 1 and put all settings on max and normal. And on memory 2 I put all settings on 0. Then I used the Die Harder LD and looked really close on my CRT TV and jumped between the two settings. There IS a change in picture. There is a lot more noise in memory 2, just like it should be with all the settings at 0. So there is something going on. Test it, you cannot miss it.

Here is what Ivar said; I agree, but that is exactly what Pioneer is doing in the CLD-79 and the
CLD-99. The digitized composite signal is first Y/C separated in by a 2D Y/C
separation ( I do not think it is adaptive, it is hard to find out from the
service manual ) filter in the video noise reduction section. The Y leg and
C leg is then processed and recombined to composite and then again Y/C
separated, in the CLD-99 by a 3D motion adaptive filter, just before the
D/As. This architecture is quite different from the CLD-97, HLD-X9 and
HLD-X0 where the "good" Y/C separation it done just after the field buffer
and no more Y/C separation or recombination is done. ( Except for the
composite output of the CLD-97 ). I clearly prefer latter way of doing it.

I don't know, but I find this text to say that the HLD-X9/X0 DO Y/C seperate directly after the field buffer but do not, like in the case of CLD-99, go back to composite, then to Y/C again before the 3D MA filter.

Tomorrow I will test both the reagular composite output from the X0 and the BNC output. Then we will have more info.
But like I said, there ARE changes when having different settings on the HLD-X9 composite output.


/Mattias
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#162586
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/162586/action/topic#162586
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Originally posted by: gltaylor74
I can tell you that on the X9's video board, there is an adjustment that increases the level of "sharpness" by increasing the frequency response. There are two seperate dedicated adjustments, one for S-video output and one for composite output. If the X9's composite output just came from recombining the S-video output, then there would be no need to have a dedicated adjustment for composite. I think this indicates that there are two seperate signal paths on the X9, one S-video and one composite. It's always been accepted for a long time that the X9 did have a "pure" composite output and did not just recombine the S-video. I think folks like Kurtis Bahr and Ivar documented this. I will ask another gentleman I know and see if he has any thoughts on it.



Well, that say really nothing. It is two seperate outputs and of course they will have different adjustments.
But try what I said before. Take composite out from you HLD-X9 and change the comb filter. I have always wonder why I could change the comb filter and have an effect on the picture if the signal is a pure composite. And here we maybe have the answer. I will try to get a BNC to RCA cabel tomorrow and try the BNC output.
Can there really be any other answer than that the output is not recombining?

/Mattias
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#162510
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/162510/action/topic#162510
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I was thinking. I hope to soon play with the new Crystalio II video processor. This unit will have a REALLY high quality 3D/2D 5-line (5H) motion adaptive comb filter and BNC inputs. So maybe one can put the pure composite output to the Crystalio and put out 480i, without any scaling or improvments, with DVI to a capture card with DVI input? This maybe could give even better image?


/Mattias
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#162474
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/162474/action/topic#162474
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Originally posted by: Warp99
And here is something I found here:

Back to the interesting subject of composite re-composition, the HLD-X0
and HIL-C2EX specifically mention that one of their composite outputs
(the one with a BNC plug) is a "direct out" composite with a different
path than the other composite output (with a regular pin plug). The
manuals explain that nothing but TBC is applied to this "direct"
output. In particular, the Sony manual says that screen info will not
be shown through the direct output. I thought it meant the regular
composite output was a recombination, while the direct would not be. As
other decks do not mention this, i also thought it meant the other
decks only had "regular" (recombining) outputs. Can someone
explain/confirm in opposition to what these outputs are "direct", what
else than TBC is applied to the composite "normal" outputs, and if
outputs on some hi-end models (X9 etc...) could be "direct" even though
the manual doesn't mention it ? The X0 even had a flow-chart explaining
this feature, maybe someone could post a scan of it ?



Thanks. That is what I thought. Why? Well, on both the X9 and X0 RCA composite output, there will be showing the different comb settings and you can change them and that WILL effect the image. That would only be happeing if the composite output have been thru the Y/C.
I don't have any BNC to RCA cable home right now, only a BNC to BNC so I cannot test it right now. Hope to do so soon.

Btw, I have just received info that the PDI delux card have "only" a Adaptive 2/4-line comb filter for two dimensional chrominance/luminance separation. So we should maybe try to get another card with a 3D motion adaptive filter? Or are the current transfers done with the Black magic card that maybe have a 3D comb filter?
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#161723
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/161723/action/topic#161723
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I have a question about the HLD-X0.
On the X0project homepage is says: "The XØ's composite output picks up the video stream before it is broken into chroma and luma."
Where is this coming from? I have always heard that too, but have not found any info about it (I don't have the service manual yet). And are it both the BNC output and RCA output that have this or are it only the BNC?

/Mattias